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The OFFICIAL 2006 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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wilked
Footballguy
Bottom of the ninth, up by 1, is there anyone in the majors you want on the mound other than Papelbon? Seriously....lights out
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HellToupee
Footballguy
that will get even stronger later this year when Craig Hansen is ready
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Well, Rivera. But yeah, that's probably about it.
HarryManback
Hot Pead
Papelbon is so 
the Secret Service are watching him.
the Secret Service are watching him.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
Right, the Rivera who was 2nd in the Cy Young race last year to an overrated Colon season. The one who had his best statistical season in 2005.Look, I'll give you guys that Papelbon has had a tremendous start to the season. And Rivera has struggled to begin the season. But I'm not ready to anoint Papelbon the best closer in baseball off a great 6 weeks, sorry.
Alias
Footballguy
Rivera in 2005
Record: 7-4
ERA: 1.38
games: 71
saves: 43 of 47 (91.5%)
IP: 78.1
H: 50 (5.8 per 9 innings)
R: 18
ER: 12
HR: 2
BB: 18 (2.1 per 9 innings)
K: 80 (9.2 per 9 innings)
Rivera against Boston in 2004, 2005
Record: 1-3
ERA: 3.10
games: 19
saves: 9 of 13 (69%)
IP: 20.1
H: 21 (9.4 per 9 innings)
R: 11
ER: 7
HR: 2
BB: 12 (5.4 per 9 innings)
K: 20 (9.0 per 9 innings)
Record: 7-4
ERA: 1.38
games: 71
saves: 43 of 47 (91.5%)
IP: 78.1
H: 50 (5.8 per 9 innings)
R: 18
ER: 12
HR: 2
BB: 18 (2.1 per 9 innings)
K: 80 (9.2 per 9 innings)
Rivera against Boston in 2004, 2005
Record: 1-3
ERA: 3.10
games: 19
saves: 9 of 13 (69%)
IP: 20.1
H: 21 (9.4 per 9 innings)
R: 11
ER: 7
HR: 2
BB: 12 (5.4 per 9 innings)
K: 20 (9.0 per 9 innings)
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Rivera in 2005
Record: 7-4
ERA: 1.38
games: 71
saves: 43 of 47 (91.5%)
IP: 78.1
H: 50 (5.8 per 9 innings)
R: 18
ER: 12
HR: 2
BB: 18 (2.1 per 9 innings)
K: 80 (9.2 per 9 innings)
Rivera against Boston in 2004, 2005
Record: 1-3
ERA: 3.10
games: 19
saves: 9 of 13 (69%)
IP: 20.1
H: 21 (9.4 per 9 innings)
R: 11
ER: 7
HR: 2
BB: 12 (5.4 per 9 innings)
K: 20 (9.0 per 9 innings)
I don't see why Rivera's lifetime stats (actually last two seasons) against Boston are in any way relevant to the Rivera vs. Papelbon debate. What are Papelbon's lifetime stats against Boston for a comparison?By the way, you chose "since 2004" as your random point of demonstrating Rivera's ineffectiveness against the Sox. So I'll choose "the day the Fenway fans gave Rivera a mock ovation" for my random point. Since that day, he has pitched 9 innings against them with 11 K's, 1 ER (last week), and 4 saves (zero blown saves).
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wilked
Footballguy
Sox have 3 of top 21 relievers this season in all of baseball
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statisti...ndex.php?cid=17
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statisti...ndex.php?cid=17
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
Yanks have 2 of the 19 worst (Small, Sturtze). With their pen posting some solid overall stats, the top-end guys must be doing quite well (guys like Farns, Villone, Proctor) to bring that average up.By the way, how does Jim Brower even get out of bed in the morning?!?
Alias
Footballguy
Rivera chokes, I give you last night as my evidenceRivera in 2005
Record: 7-4
ERA: 1.38
games: 71
saves: 43 of 47 (91.5%)
IP: 78.1
H: 50 (5.8 per 9 innings)
R: 18
ER: 12
HR: 2
BB: 18 (2.1 per 9 innings)
K: 80 (9.2 per 9 innings)
Rivera against Boston in 2004, 2005
Record: 1-3
ERA: 3.10
games: 19
saves: 9 of 13 (69%)
IP: 20.1
H: 21 (9.4 per 9 innings)
R: 11
ER: 7
HR: 2
BB: 12 (5.4 per 9 innings)
K: 20 (9.0 per 9 innings)
By the way, you chose "since 2004" as your random point of demonstrating Rivera's ineffectiveness against the Sox. So I'll choose "the day the Fenway fans gave Rivera a mock ovation" for my random point. Since that day, he has pitched 9 innings against them with 11 K's, 1 ER (last week), and 4 saves (zero blown saves).
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Bump for tonights game.
How did Wakefield look?
Did Papelbon get in the game or was he too busy helping old ladies cross the street, rescuing cats from trees and saving children from housefires ?
What kind of gum was Ortiz chewing?
How did Manny's hair look? They said he getting a new doo.
Did Lowell's VORP and SNUH numbers go up? Counting only May night games in which the temperature was below 65, his number were comparable to Babe Ruth's.
Did Lorettas new spikes look good? Someone said his TORK number was down, so he switched to a shoe model that would give him 30% more coverage on fields comprised solely of Kentuck bluegrass.
How bad did Baltimore cheat to pull this one off?
How did Wakefield look?
Did Papelbon get in the game or was he too busy helping old ladies cross the street, rescuing cats from trees and saving children from housefires ?
What kind of gum was Ortiz chewing?
How did Manny's hair look? They said he getting a new doo.
Did Lowell's VORP and SNUH numbers go up? Counting only May night games in which the temperature was below 65, his number were comparable to Babe Ruth's.
Did Lorettas new spikes look good? Someone said his TORK number was down, so he switched to a shoe model that would give him 30% more coverage on fields comprised solely of Kentuck bluegrass.
How bad did Baltimore cheat to pull this one off?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Rivera chokes?Rivera chokes, I give you last night as my evidenceRivera in 2005
Record: 7-4
ERA: 1.38
games: 71
saves: 43 of 47 (91.5%)
IP: 78.1
H: 50 (5.8 per 9 innings)
R: 18
ER: 12
HR: 2
BB: 18 (2.1 per 9 innings)
K: 80 (9.2 per 9 innings)
Rivera against Boston in 2004, 2005
Record: 1-3
ERA: 3.10
games: 19
saves: 9 of 13 (69%)
IP: 20.1
H: 21 (9.4 per 9 innings)
R: 11
ER: 7
HR: 2
BB: 12 (5.4 per 9 innings)
K: 20 (9.0 per 9 innings)
By the way, you chose "since 2004" as your random point of demonstrating Rivera's ineffectiveness against the Sox. So I'll choose "the day the Fenway fans gave Rivera a mock ovation" for my random point. Since that day, he has pitched 9 innings against them with 11 K's, 1 ER (last week), and 4 saves (zero blown saves).
I have to assume you are
here, as Rivera (he of the 0.81 postseason ERA in 111 2/3 postseason innings) is widely considered the greatest postseason reliever of all time...What was with Harris trying to steal 2nd with 2 outs in the 9th?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
That's awful baseball on his part...His ### should be glued to the bench for the foreseeable future (not that it wouldnt be anyway)...
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Insoxicated
Quote from Press Conference last night: ''I was told I was on the hold sign," Harris acknowledged, after he was gunned out to end last night's game, attempting to take second with Trot Nixon at bat, the count 1 and 0, and the Red Sox trailing, 4-3. ''I saw the hold sign the first pitch. I kind of thought maybe it was just for the first pitch. I told [manager Terry Francona] I screwed up."
Can't say it cost us the game but he's a vet.... he shouldn't make stupid mistakes like that.... dumb *******
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Insoxicated
Interesting article regarding Papelbon's opinion on closing instead of starting:
This could have something to do with the Sox trying to stretch Craig Hansen out down in Pawtucket. The intial reasoning for having him throwing 3 then 4 then 5 innings was that they were trying to give him more chances to work on his pitches.... but now he's starting down there.
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Insoxicated
No need to address the trolls man, apparently rivera has found the fountain of youth and his increasing troubles (slow start last year.. slower start this year) are not indicative of age catching up to him.Compare that star-stunning ERA with his Boston Splits, not so star-stunning anymore, eh?Rivera chokes?
I have to assume you are
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
For his career he is 9-5 with a 2.76 ERA and 32 saves against the Sox...Hardly pedestrian numbers...Compare that star-stunning ERA with his Boston Splits, not so star-stunning anymore, eh?Rivera chokes?
I have to assume you are
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Insoxicated
I'm going to post this then drop the issue as this is NOT the thread to discuss the Yankee closer sitaution. Mariano has had a FANTASTIC career. he's one of the greatest closers ever if not the greatest. He has posted numbers that are just mind boggling.... he's been as clutch as it gets....etc etc.For his career he is 9-5 with a 2.76 ERA and 32 saves against the Sox...Hardly pedestrian numbers...Compare that star-stunning ERA with his Boston Splits, not so star-stunning anymore, eh?Rivera chokes?
I have to assume you are
That said, the guy had a slow start last year but managed to right the ship. This year, the start is even slower, and going deeper into the season. He's 37 years old and it's looking a LOT like the years are finallly starting to catch up with him.
Is he still better than the VAST majority of the closers out there? Yes. Is the guy that I'd want out there RIGHT NOW in the 9th if I had my choice of anyone in the majors? Hell No.
Sure... he'll probably get back on track and end up posting respectable numbers, but my guess is by end of year he'll end up as the 3-4th most effective closer in the game.
Now, before someone turns this around.. I don't think papelbon will keep a 0.42 era without blowing a save all season. It's going to happen. I must admit, however, that I'm impressed as hell with the fact that the kid had his cherry popped, then responded by allowing only 1 hit since (in 5 saves).
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bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Boston sees him probably more than any other team.Compare that star-stunning ERA with his Boston Splits, not so star-stunning anymore, eh?Rivera chokes?
I have to assume you are
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Insoxicated
Top shelf Defense.... Best Bullpen in years..We've got some issues with the offense (improving) and starting rotation (clement and dinardo mostly)... but overall this team is looking pretty good. I'd give them a B so far this year. Once Crisp comes back it will shuffle things up (assuming he can pick up close to where he left off or get up to speed quickly).
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FORGET THE YANKS they are as done as their pitching staff is..,May 18 2006, 10:17 AM]I do find it amusing that Yankee fans are spending so much time in a Red Sox thread though
#2 in ERA in the AL
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wharf rat
Footballguy
I am also midly concerned about Schilling, he's been struggling a bit with his location. He 's been giving up th long ball.Also middle relief is definately an issue.]
We've got some issues with the offense (improving) and starting rotation (clement and dinardo mostly)... but overall this team is looking pretty good. I'd give them a B so far this year. Once Crisp comes back it will shuffle things up (assuming he can pick up close to where he left off or get up to speed quickly).
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Just funning around with you Snoop. I know guys who don't know as much about their wives or like them as much as some of you guys like the BoSox.,May 17 2006, 09:59 PM]
Stay classy GB... stay classy
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Why? I like discussing baseball...]I do find it amusing that Yankee fans are spending so much time in a Red Sox thread though
