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***The Official 2010/2011 Red Sox*** (1 Viewer)
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Rizzo and Fuentes seem like decent rolls of the dice, but this deal hinges on whether Kelly is able to harness his potential.
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Since they are not moving Jacoby in the deal I would like Theo to turn his attention to Werth instead of Crawford. This will probably be Drew's last season in Boston so Werth can take over RF in 2012.
I've also read a rumor that they were thinking of moving Youk to LF if they can get Beltre done. Please God no. I love Youk something fierce but I was in agony when he had to fill in at LF. Brutal.
I've also read a rumor that they were thinking of moving Youk to LF if they can get Beltre done. Please God no. I love Youk something fierce but I was in agony when he had to fill in at LF. Brutal.
The Comedian
Footballguy
wow, can't believe they pulled it off. feels like they talk about getting this guy every year and that it's always a pipe dream.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Sox are the clear favorites in the AL East even if the Yanks add Lee and re-sign Pettitte IMO. Adding Gonzalez already, probably soon to add Werth. Or if they add Crawford, they can move Ellsbury. Plus expecting a full return to health for Pedroia and Youk, and some return to form from Beckett. Scary.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
I'm sure Gonzalez will do well, but it's bull#### that a guy named Casey Kelly doesn't get to play in Boston.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
SI reporting this trade has fallen through. Anyone else confirm this locally?
The Comedian
Footballguy
good, don't want that bum anyways.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! OUCH Werth also signed. Better start kissing that Beltre ###.
Balco
Footballguy
Good.Get the deal done Theo.
LongDuckDong
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
Huge. That was the one deal the Sox needed to make, IMO.Interested to see who they turn their attention to next. I doubt they go after Crawford seriously, and will go into the year with a Cameron, Ellsbury, Drew outfield. I would rather they not re-sign Beltre. His defense will be missed, but Youklis will slide to 4rd with the Gonzalez signing.Would like to see them go after some bullpen help. Specifically, George Sherril.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
They werent going to sign him to an extension now anyways. They just wanted to make sure they could. Want to keep his salary this year on the books day one of the season to avoid the luxury tax.
Workhorse
Footballguy
They did the same thing with Beckett.Word is, it will be 7 years at $23 million per.
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Have to sign some middle relief or they are not winning the division. Someone has to bridge to Bard/Paps. Any of Rauch, Sherrill, Crain would be a good start. All Type B FA.Matthias said:Yes.Frankly I don't care what they do with the rest of their off-season.
Huge. That was the one deal the Sox needed to make, IMO.
Interested to see who they turn their attention to next. I doubt they go after Crawford seriously, and will go into the year with a Cameron, Ellsbury, Drew outfield.
I would rather they not re-sign Beltre. His defense will be missed, but Youklis will slide to 4rd with the Gonzalez signing.
Would like to see them go after some bullpen help. Specifically, George Sherril.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Sox said to be talking to the Mets about Carlos Beltran.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Interesting. I imagine they'd flip Ellsbury for...?
the moops
Footballguy
The rumor was Scutaro or Dice-K.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
This "no extension" stuff could be tricky with an injured player I imagine. If his shoulder is somehow not right, how do you justify big bucks down the line?
And as a Yankee fan, I'm quite concerned with their discussions about adding Downs, that guy can pitch and he'd be murder on that team.
And as a Yankee fan, I'm quite concerned with their discussions about adding Downs, that guy can pitch and he'd be murder on that team.
Eephus
Footballguy
Beltran has a no arbitration clause in his contract so the Mets/Sox wouldn't be able to get any compensation picks if he hobbles away after 2011.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The no extension stuff for Gonzalez is pretty much BS. It has been reported that he got a 7 year extension in the $150-$160M range. But to avoid luxury tax, they won't announce it until opening day.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I mean what are they going to do with their overcrowded OF if they land Beltran? Ellsbury, Drew, Cameron, and Beltran?ETA - with how frail those folk are I'm sure it will work itself out.
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Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Ooooooooofff, pass. Even if the Mets pay half, health is too much of a risk w/ a bunch of current RS OF that are not exactly iron men.
massraider
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
But my point is, you can agree to this, and if Gonzo tubes this season, shoulder related or not, how can you justify giving him some mongo deal? And if you announce too early, I wonder what the commish office's perception would be of an attempt to circumvent the salary tax?David Yudkin said:
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Oh my! Crawford signs. 7 years 142 million. John Henry is in beast mode!
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Is this now the best lineup in baseball?
Sleeping King
Footballguy
It's kind of hard to think of how Tito will line them up but I would guessLF-Crawford2B-Pedroia1B-Gonzalez3B-YoukilisDH-OrtizRF-DrewC-Salty/TekSS-Lowrie/ScutaroCF-EllsburyI would be shocked if he does anything different with 1-5 since that's his favorite L-R-L-R-L lineup. After that it could be a mix of anything. And yes, homer or not I would take that over anyone in the league.
Sleeping King
Footballguy
I still would not be shocked if Ellsbury is moved. There's a lot of LH bats in that lineup.
PIK95
Footballguy
Thats VERY top heavy. I think Papi is gonna be terrible this year also.
This better not hurt Liverpool at the transfer window. 
the moops
Footballguy
Don't all teams put their best batters in the top 2/3rds of the lineup?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Looks like your boys may be set to sign Ronaldinho.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...o=feeds-newsxmlThis better not hurt Liverpool at the transfer window.
HellToupee
Footballguy
As a Sox fan I won't consider this offseason a success unless they land Cliff Lee
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
It moved.
Crawford's ISO was at a career high last season, so it's not a reach to see his hitting profile slide from GB to FB and he's a much better run producer.
HellToupee
Footballguy
wow I didn't know that
Jambi
Footballguy
Why? with Crawford off the market and no one coming to market next off-season, Ellsbury and his rookie contract hold great value. I'm not saying you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if they were both shopping him and receiving offers. People talk but there's a lot of baseball folks out there that think very highly of this kid. And let's not overlook what he could do to a franchise if they decided to market him and go after the North American Native American community
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the moops
Footballguy
market him and go after the North American Native American community:boatloads:
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Heard this from two sources: With the Jenks signing, BoSox payroll is actually higher than NYY. But the Yankees still have moves to come. about 1 hour ago via web
Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
wilked
Footballguy
I am actually amazed the Yankees did not sign him, that one seemed like an obvious move for them.
His ERA last year scared off some teams, which is great for Boston, since once you look under the numbers you see he did just fine
All stats are for AL relievers with 40+ IP
.368 BABIP (dead last in the league for relievers) and a LOB% of 65.4 (3rd worst) last year, both ridiculous numbers that are almost certainly bad luck. His FIP was 2.59, which is excellent (6th among relievers with 40 IP).
He still struck out 10.42 batters per nine (ranked 5th) while walking 3.08 (a ratio good for 13th in the league) - I will take those numbers any day.
His ERA last year scared off some teams, which is great for Boston, since once you look under the numbers you see he did just fine
All stats are for AL relievers with 40+ IP
.368 BABIP (dead last in the league for relievers) and a LOB% of 65.4 (3rd worst) last year, both ridiculous numbers that are almost certainly bad luck. His FIP was 2.59, which is excellent (6th among relievers with 40 IP).
He still struck out 10.42 batters per nine (ranked 5th) while walking 3.08 (a ratio good for 13th in the league) - I will take those numbers any day.
wilked
Footballguy
Might wanna check your sources broskiMy numbers have it like this:Yanks have $175 mil committed for '11(12/25 signed), Sox only $150 mil including Jenks/Paps(19/25).
