The Official 2011 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

I just hope that they don't hire a retread like Valentine.

I can't imagine them doing something like that.

Mike Lowell. He is highly respected. Hire good baseball men as bench coaches and his inexperience won't be much of a factor.

 

[Sea Bass]

I just hope that they don't hire a retread like Valentine.

I can't imagine them doing something like that.

Mike Lowell. He is highly respected. Hire good baseball men as bench coaches and his inexperience won't be much of a factor.

I like that idea!

 

[Sea Bass]

The Cubs have asked permission to talk with Theo.

Sounds like the Sox may get compensation if he leaves..............I'm thinking that we should force them to take Lackey and his contract.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Who is Joe Maddon's lieutenant?

Dave Martinez?

That's the guy I would go after.

 

[Sea Bass]

Who is Joe Maddon's lieutenant? Dave Martinez?That's the guy I would go after.

Tito and Maddon were the finalist the last time we had an opening. The Sox identify Manager's better than they do players.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

The Sox identify Manager's better than they do players.

Grady Little?

 

[Sea Bass]

The Sox identify Manager's better than they do players.

Grady Little?

Hey now.

 

[Daywalker]

Who is Joe Maddon's lieutenant? Dave Martinez?That's the guy I would go after.

I'd go with Joe Maddon instead.

 

[dharmapunk]

The only way this week could be better is if the Sox were dumb enough to get rid of Francona. Pretty epic week for Yanks/Rays fans.

You folks really spend too much time worrying about the Red Sox

Is there any team that has a bigger inferiority complex than the Red Sox? Good grief.

... says the guy who calls himself Dr. Awesome.

That's just arrogance and lookatme shtick. Red Sox fans get awfully loud when their team wins or makes a big move in the offseason. They seem to have no issues speaking up until the team goes into a slump and falls apart. Then they get really defensive when people start poking fun. It's bizarre.

 

[shadyridr]

Who is Joe Maddon's lieutenant? Dave Martinez?That's the guy I would go after.

bad idea to throw a guy whos never managed before into the caludron of Boston IMO. Theres a lot more stuff you gotta deal with than just managing games

 

[shadyridr]

boy wonder on cusp of accepting cubs offer

 

[Limp Ditka]

boy wonder on cusp of accepting cubs offer

And the Cubs thread is dead silent.

 

[boubucarow]

boy wonder on cusp of accepting cubs offer

And the Cubs thread is dead silent.

I don't think the Cubs fans here are into the savior talk but at the same time it is too early to celebrate/analyze. It is just weird to me that the man in charge of the Red Sox when they ended possibly the most agonizing championship drought in sports history is now wanting to take charge of the Cubs. The single biggest issue raised with most GM and manager candidates for the Cubs in the recent past is that they could not handle the immense pressure of the fan base expecting championships and anticipating epic failure. While Epstein has his GM skeletons, he looks like a uniquely prepared candidate. I just hope he actually is the best man for the job if they get him.

 

[Limp Ditka]

boy wonder on cusp of accepting cubs offer

And the Cubs thread is dead silent.

I don't think the Cubs fans here are into the savior talk but at the same time it is too early to celebrate/analyze. It is just weird to me that the man in charge of the Red Sox when they ended possibly the most agonizing championship drought in sports history is now wanting to take charge of the Cubs. The single biggest issue raised with most GM and manager candidates for the Cubs in the recent past is that they could not handle the immense pressure of the fan base expecting championships and anticipating epic failure. While Epstein has his GM skeletons, he looks like a uniquely prepared candidate. I just hope he actually is the best man for the job if they get him.

Until recently, that's nothing but pressure the candidates would put upon themselves. The fanbase didn't demand championships. They demanded blue skies, green ivy, cold Old Style and a sharp razor on the off chance they contended and fell short.In the present, I can understand this mindset. Cub fans are starting to talk with their wallets. While 3m tickets were sold again this year, nothing close to that moved the turnstyles in 2011. They made the playoffs in '03, '08, '09 while watching other long droughts ends ('04 Red Sox, '05 White Sox and you can even throw in the Blackhawks into this conversation) and it wet their collective whistle for success. Now that it's not in the foreseeable future, the pressure is on as long as Cub fans continue to not blindly herd themselves into that dump.Theo is the right move. Hope is what Cub fans need right now and he's probably the guy on the top of the list to provide just that.

 

[southeastjerome]

Some on twitter say it is done. Some say Cubs made offer, but no decision from Theo yet. Personal vs. Professional decision.

 

[the moops]

It is just weird to me that the man in charge of the Red Sox when they ended possibly the most agonizing championship drought in sports history is now wanting to take charge of the Cubs.

This seems very non weird and very logical, IMO.Imagine the legacy of a GM who wins a title with the Sox (after 86 years) and the Cubs (after 103+ years).

 

[Michael Brown]

Globe article details some of the internal issues going on with Boston. Interesting read, though it could have used some more in-depth first person accounts of specifics that went on. In hindsight, the collapse doesn't seem so shocking after reading this.

Link

 

[Eephus]

Interesting article with plenty of blame to go around. They're committed to a bunch of big contracts but with Ortiz, Papelbon, Drew, Varitek and Wakefield all FAs, the 2012 team will look a lot different than their championship teams.

The hiring of the next manager will be crucial. Based on the article, it sounds like he'll have his work cut out for him.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Interesting article with plenty of blame to go around. They're committed to a bunch of big contracts but with Ortiz, Papelbon, Drew, Varitek and Wakefield all FAs, the 2012 team will look a lot different than their championship teams.The hiring of the next manager will be crucial. Based on the article, it sounds like he'll have his work cut out for him.

I would think twice about managing this team, but I guess at some point, when you get the keys to a cadillac, you'll drive the sum#####. I personally think that article crossed some personal lines however, why does Francona need his personal laundry being aired by someone else. If HE wants to talk about it, fine, but I dont know that its appropriate. I'm sure this could and would happen in New York, but I don't recall anything like it. Even calling players at home in the off-season to rehash a pretty crappy finish, I don't know, thats invaisive.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Globe article details some of the internal issues going on with Boston. Interesting read, though it could have used some more in-depth first person accounts of specifics that went on. In hindsight, the collapse doesn't seem so shocking after reading this.

Link

Sounds like a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking to me. As Francona said, those same guys went 80-41 during one stretch. If the corner outfield walls in Tampa are normal height and Papelbon gets one more strike past Chris Davis in the 9th, the affinity for beer and fried chicken is a lovable personality quirk instead of a huge character flaw. Maybe there's something to the conditioning issues for Lackey, Lester and Beckett affecting their September starts, but there are pitchers in much worse shape who pitched much better in September.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Theo reportedly agrees to 5 year 15 million deal with Cubs

 

[boubucarow]

It is just weird to me that the man in charge of the Red Sox when they ended possibly the most agonizing championship drought in sports history is now wanting to take charge of the Cubs.

This seems very non weird and very logical, IMO.Imagine the legacy of a GM who wins a title with the Sox (after 86 years) and the Cubs (after 103+ years).

I stated that wrong. It isn't weird that he wants that job, it is weird that a man who has already slayed a curse beast is available. Almost to good to be true is what I meant.

 

[DCThunder]

Theo reportedly agrees to 5 year 15 million deal with Cubs

Goes from one obnoxious fan base to another.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Now that the typical Post-Boston slash and burn has begun on Francona by the Red Sox Front Office/ Boston Media, I wonder what dirt we will learn about Theo in the upcoming weeks.

 

[Eephus]

Now that the typical Post-Boston slash and burn has begun on Francona by the Red Sox Front Office/ Boston Media, I wonder what dirt we will learn about Theo in the upcoming weeks.

Lackey 5/$82.5MCrawford 7/$142MGonzalez 7/$154MJenks 2/$12M

 

[Sea Bass]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

 

[Raider Nation]

Any chance Theo and Tito reunite with the Cubs? They have no problem with each other, right?

 

[Premier]

The Sox should make the Cubs take Crawford as well.

 

[boubucarow]

The Sox should make the Cubs take Crawford as well.

It all seriousness it would be hilarious if the Sox could actually force the Cubs to take a player with Epstein instead of getting something in return.

 

[Sea Bass]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

And for Hohler to state that the collapse was the result of Tito dealing with marital problems is a cheap shot. To make the statement without evidence or quotes is unprofessional. Ignoring that Tito himself said that it had no effect on his coaching is insane.

 

[Eephus]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

And for Hohler to state that the collapse was the result of Tito dealing with marital problems is a cheap shot. To make the statement without evidence or quotes is unprofessional. Ignoring that Tito himself said that it had no effect on his coaching is insane.

A team spokesman said Sea Bass was replying to his own post

 

[Sea Bass]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

And for Hohler to state that the collapse was the result of Tito dealing with marital problems is a cheap shot. To make the statement without evidence or quotes is unprofessional. Ignoring that Tito himself said that it had no effect on his coaching is insane.

A team spokesman said Sea Bass was replying to his own post

Good thing you caught me. I was about to triple post with Whitey Ford, Mickey Mantle, and Billy Martin stories from the fifties and sixties.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

And for Hohler to state that the collapse was the result of Tito dealing with marital problems is a cheap shot. To make the statement without evidence or quotes is unprofessional. Ignoring that Tito himself said that it had no effect on his coaching is insane.

A team spokesman said Sea Bass was replying to his own post

Good thing you caught me. I was about to triple post with Whitey Ford, Mickey Mantle, and Billy Martin stories from the fifties and sixties.

My money says the Mantle and Martin stories involved booze.

 

[Sea Bass]

Sensationalist reporting by Hohler is a typical Globe response of producing these kind of stories following something that goes poorly in the region. If you look at actual quotes this five page article becomes a couple of paragraphs. When you reduce the "one person said" and "a team spokesman said" you are left with nothing but manufactured rubbish. An old man winding down his life in Virginia can tell that something went wrong with the team this season. Why does the Globe continue to point fingers in a rambling uninformed gossip tabloid fashion?

And for Hohler to state that the collapse was the result of Tito dealing with marital problems is a cheap shot. To make the statement without evidence or quotes is unprofessional. Ignoring that Tito himself said that it had no effect on his coaching is insane.

A team spokesman said Sea Bass was replying to his own post

Good thing you caught me. I was about to triple post with Whitey Ford, Mickey Mantle, and Billy Martin stories from the fifties and sixties.

My money says the Mantle and Martin stories involved booze.

And Hohler would've wrote that is why they lost the 1960 world series. Bill Mazeroski's home run was nothing but a footnote.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Bud Selig should mind his own bidness about the Cubs-Sox talks w/ Theo.

 

[Bogart]

Well, no Lackey next year. So you have that going for you.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Well, no Lackey next year. So you have that going for you.

It's a sunk cost anyway, almost any SP is going to net better results than Lackey.

 

[shadyridr]

Well, no Lackey next year. So you have that going for you.

As a Yankee fan this saddens me