JoeSteeler
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don't get that pick at all
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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)
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I am not sure I see how he fits in at all. I wonder if they just view him as a RB. He is smaller than either of the top 2 HB's in Pittsburgh.
Evilgrin 72
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Samuels isn't a FB. He's not really an anything. RB/FB/TE/WR hybrid.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
This whole draft strategy is a headscratcher. They know better though.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Swiss army knife. They can deploy him at FB, TB, split out wide, from the TE spot in 2 TE sets. I think it's about disguising intentions on offense more than anything. Gadget player.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
My biggest beef with Rudolph is how much he locks onto his first read.
They've actually already been doing that the past 3-ish years. Playing more and more 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 (where one of the OLBs drops his hand in the dirt) as a "base" depending on opponent.
I am not in love with the Edmunds pick, but I do not hate it either. And my initial reaction after thinking on it, and seeing the SPARQ stuff/thinking about his game was "Could they actually be viewing him as a potential Shazier replacement?" It's not that hard to believe, to me anyway. Plays near the line as a S, plays LB in subs. Can run, hit and tackle. Is a good interior blitzer. Shazier was better in coverage, which is a big demerit for sure, but there are some similarities otherwise.
This.
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Evilgrin 72
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Man, IMO they had a couple chances at some decent LB and passed. Kind of surprised
Almost more of an old-school Cowher pick. It feels comfy as an NFL fan when the Steelers lead the league in roster slashes.
Not that he'll be as good, but this guy should have gone rounds ago. He was graded as the most efficient running back in college football last year.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I like the pick. I feel like even with all the skill position talent they have, they'll find ways to get him on the field.
Evilgrin 72
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At this point, I think the biggest hole is at OLB. They've got Watt, Dupree, Chickillo, and... Keion Adams ? Unless they re-sign Moats or I'm forgetting someone, they seem awfully thin at the edge.
Do you know if the Steelers met with Darius Jackson from Jax St.? I like him as an undersized DE who could transition, and teams without 3-4's aren't going to be knocking his door down.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Don't recall seeing his name on any of the lists of prospects they officially met with.GawainB said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
They signed Darnell Leslie in January ("Who?" you ask? "Exactly", I answer). Championship!
Yes, Edge is ridiculously thin and is probably the biggest reason I'm not super crazy that they passed on Landry/et al in the first. S was clearly a need too, but if Watt or Dupree miss any significant time they're in a pretty bad spot (as of April 28th, 2018 anyway).
Evilgrin 72
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Are there any FA pass rushers available? If Wilcox gets released next week, they should actually have a couple million to play with to sign some depth.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Maybe Jeff Holland in the 7th? I keep seeing Bo Scarborough and thinking he's a classic Steelers-type bruiser back, but I don't know that he has the speed or agility to be much more than a GL option/plodder.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Never mind Bo, Dallas just took him.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Yeah, I think the Steelers switched gears when they couldn't get Evans. Now they are drafting bigger cover guys that can be used as linebackers. Not ideal but let's face it, it's hard to find a Ryan Shazier replacement in any draft.Drunken Cowboy said:
JoeSteeler
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Evilgrin 72
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Frazier in the 7th. No smokescreens here, they advertised the guys they liked.
Evilgrin 72
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I don't think Galette would be signed. Dumervil, maybe. He's pretty old for a pass rusher, but if he was willing to sign for a low salary, he'd only have to play a handful of snaps. He can still get to the passer on occasion, even if he is a shell of his former self.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Maybe you double-dipped,Evilgrin 72 said:
Maybe not.
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It would not surprise me if Marcus Allen moves to linebacker in Pittsburgh. He is TERRIFIC against the run, has absolutely no ball skills or playmaking ability in coverage
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Samuels was the RB they wanted. They wanted someone who functions well in the passing game. This is a best case scenario for Samuels.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
What is the status of James Conner?
You guys loved him last year at this time.
This year no RB drafted so I don't think their is any pressing injury concerns with James and once again LeVeon is holding out.
How do you see gaming out?
Do they plan to run LeVeon into the ground and call it a day because I don't think a team can franchise a player three years in a row and they seem to be far apart on numbers.
I haven't seen or heard anything on James Conner since last year's draft and last year's holdout by LeVeon.
Seems the situation would have generated some speculation revolving around James Conner so what do you guys think happens?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I would say Conner would be a committee back with Samuels in the case of Bell on extended hold out or injury. I don’t think much of Ridley and Touissant. Conner is the clear early down backup but that doesn’t mean Samuels wouldnt be given a fair chance. Especially seeing as he is a much more viable option in the passing game. I don’t think Bell’s replacement is on the roster right now.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
UDRFAs I'm seeing reported thus far...
Greg Gilmore, DT, LSU
Quadree Henderson, WR, Pittsburgh
Patrick Morris, C, TCU
Matthew Thomas, LB, Florida State
Thomas actually has a little bit of traction from that crop, at least athletically. Very highly recruited out of HS, actually looked pretty good at times in Tallahassee, but never quite lived up to the hype (and got hurt). Checking out reports from a few services and it seems that they all agree he has less than ideal instincts, but you can't teach a guy that big to move like he can. If nothing else maybe he is a beast on teams.
Greg Gilmore, DT, LSU
Quadree Henderson, WR, Pittsburgh
Patrick Morris, C, TCU
Matthew Thomas, LB, Florida State
Thomas actually has a little bit of traction from that crop, at least athletically. Very highly recruited out of HS, actually looked pretty good at times in Tallahassee, but never quite lived up to the hype (and got hurt). Checking out reports from a few services and it seems that they all agree he has less than ideal instincts, but you can't teach a guy that big to move like he can. If nothing else maybe he is a beast on teams.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I think Barwin still a FA. Willie Young. Tamba Hali too.
Pretty much anyone left has some kind of issue though (age, injury, wants too much cash for what they are now or a combination of all those things).
Evilgrin 72
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The first two turn me off, the third issue can potentially dissipate with time...
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Age doesn't bother me overmuch if we're just talking about a rotational/depth type guy on a short deal. They've had octogenarian-esque Harrison getting run out there that past couple years, what's the big deal with septuagenarian-esque Hali or Elvis on a one/two year deal? Or the veritablly"youthful" (by comparison) Barwin?
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So how would you describe this draft and the strategy employed?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Patrick Morris apparently has the some crazy athletic measurable as an interior OL.
Which all come from his pro-day, as he didnt attend (not invited?) the NFL combine. Here is how his pro day results would have landed him at combine...
- 6'2" at 300lb and
- did 37 reps on bench (#1 overall at C and #2 overall at OG).
- 3-cone (#2 C, #1 OG)
- 40-yard (#2 C, #2 G)
- 20-shuttle (#2 C, #2 G)
- Vert Jump (#1 C, #1 G)
- Broad Jump (#1 C, #1 G)
- Was TCUs team captain in 2017.
- Was Guard, moved to Center full time last year.
- Had an "undisclosed injury" last year. Missed 6 games.
- PFF gave him 0 sacks allowed, 0 hits allowed and 2 QB hurries allowed in 183 pass snaps in 2017.
- PFF #11 run block success. (ahead of Daniels 2nd round, Cole 3rd, Allen 4th, Quissenbery 5th round, Bozeman 6th -- all drafted centers)
- They did not "overall rank" him because of injury and missed games.
http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127784&draftyear=2018&genpos=C
Several mentions of him "winning" heads-up vs Stanford All-American DT Harrison Phillips (had over 100 tackles as a DL!) in the Alamo Bowl game (#58 in highlights).
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Jarvion Franklin is a back we would have been proud to have in the Cowher era and someone whose profile mimics James Conner a bit. Hopeful about his and Thomas’ UDFA signings.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Also 1st Team Academic All-Big 12Patrick Morris apparently has the some crazy athletic measurable as an interior OL.
Which all come from his pro-day, as he didnt attend (not invited?) the NFL combine. Here is how his pro day results would have landed him at combine...
Can he block?
- 6'2" at 300lb and
- did 37 reps on bench (#1 overall at C and #2 overall at OG).
- 3-cone (#2 C, #1 OG)
- 40-yard (#2 C, #2 G)
- 20-shuttle (#2 C, #2 G)
- Vert Jump (#1 C, #1 G)
- Broad Jump (#1 C, #1 G)
- Was TCUs team captain in 2017.
- Was Guard, moved to Center full time last year.
- Had an "undisclosed injury" last year. Missed 6 games.
- PFF gave him 0 sacks allowed, 0 hits allowed and 2 QB hurries allowed in 183 pass snaps in 2017.
- PFF #11 run block success. (ahead of Daniels 2nd round, Cole 3rd, Allen 4th, Quissenbery 5th round, Bozeman 6th -- all drafted centers)
- They did not "overall rank" him because of injury and missed games.
http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127784&draftyear=2018&genpos=C
Several mentions of him "winning" heads-up vs Stanford All-American DT Harrison Phillips (had over 100 tackles as a DL!) in the Alamo Bowl game (#58 in highlights).
has a 500-pound bench, a 720-pound squat and cleans 450.
Interesting prospect at the least
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
from PFF, December 2017
TCU CENTER PATRICK MORRIS
Morris is likely an off-the-radar prospect at this stage, due to him missing six games with an undisclosed injury, but he’s graded extremely well when on the field each of the past three years. In 753 pass-blocking reps at TCU, Morris did not surrender a single sack or a hit, and has been charged with just nine total pressures to his name. His 98.9 pass blocking efficiency rating (two hurries allowed on 140 reps) this year ranks 17th among all FBS centers with at least 100 snaps in pass protection, and his 83.9 overall grade ranks 13th among draft-eligible centers. – @PFF_Josh
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Never loved him, feel good story, got drafted 2-3 rounds higher than he should have in a deep RB draft.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
and coming off an MCL injury, the Steelers could be quite thin in camp and pre-season
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
They've got Toussaint, Ridley, and Samuels besides Conner and Bell. I know Bell won't be around and Conner will still be working his way back, but the other three guys need to sort out what the game day RB group is going to look like anyway. They only carry three backs, so those guys are likely to get most of the TC/PS reps anyway.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Franklin has a chance to be a serviceable talent. He’s got a better profile than Touissant has ever had. I liked Watson last year, kind of wish they would have tried to keep him around to see if he could have become a role player. I don’t understand why/how Ridley is even on a NFL roster still.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I had no idea RB/FB Jaylen Samuels was so well ranked around the draft world. 
Very lofty at DraftScouts, GBN, DraftCountdown, WalterFootball, Ourlads and such.
Very lofty at DraftScouts, GBN, DraftCountdown, WalterFootball, Ourlads and such.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I still think I prefer keeping Bryant, going LB in the first and Reid in the second, but the more I read about the guys picked, the more I like them. I just worry we are wasting a year at the end of Ben’s career.
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Evilgrin 72
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They tried to move up for Evans in the first. When that failed, they didn't see a 3 down ILB in the rest of the draft. The more I look at it, the more I think both Allen and Edmunds are going to be de facto ILBs, at least this season, if they see any significant time.
I had never heard of, nor looked at, UDFA signee Ola Adeniyi. Looks like an interesting player. Kind of a tweener, and a bit of a one trick pony, judging from the clips I can find. But the big concern for me, looking at him, would be whether or not he had NFL athleticism. That's a concern, but he also looks like he's a little soft in his conditioning, with room to improve both body and performance. He's got the kind of body structure that ought to respond well to an intelligently crafted pro-level fitness and explosiveness regimen.
I like fixable stuff, and I think Ola has some.
to upside out of the discount bin. If someone like that can turn into a special teamer who can soak up pass disruption snaps in an emergency, you get a win. Could he be the TylerMatakevich of the edge? 
I like fixable stuff, and I think Ola has some.
to upside out of the discount bin. If someone like that can turn into a special teamer who can soak up pass disruption snaps in an emergency, you get a win. Could he be the TylerMatakevich of the edge?
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Evilgrin 72
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Possible. It's not like there's no opportunity there - as discussed, EDGE is a thin position as we stand right now.I had never heard of, nor looked at, UDFA signee Ola Adeniyi. Looks like an interesting player. Kind of a tweener, and a bit of a one trick pony, judging from the clips I can find. But the big concern for me, looking at him, would be whether or not he had NFL athleticism. That's a concern, but he also looks like he's a little soft in his conditioning, with room to improve both body and performance. He's got the kind of body structure that ought to respond well to an intelligently crafted pro-level fitness and explosiveness regimen.
I like fixable stuff, and I think Ola has some.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I think I'm in the minority but I actually thought the draft went alright. If we had gotten one of the top 4 ILBs then I'd consider it knocked out of the park, but after they all went we had to make do. 1 month ago people were absolutely crazy over some of the players we grabbed, usually that means they like the tape but then start rethinking things when other players test better in metrics. For the most part I trust the tape unless someone tests incredibly poorly (Jarvis). People mocked us Rudolph, Washington, Marcus Allen, and Terrell Edmunds in the first round at different points this offseason, so should we be that upset? If the draft read the following a month ago I think people would have been happy with it, and not much has changed:
I was surprised with how the draft turned out, but I'll do my best to reserve judgement. I didn't like the Watt pick last year, I was yelling at the TV that we should have taken Rueben Foster. After this past year, I'm pretty happy with how things turned out, even if Foster would have been the ideal replacement/compliment to Shazier.
- 1 - Mason Rudolph
- 2 - James Washington
- 3 - Marcus Allen
- 3 - Terrell Edmunds
- 5 - Jaylen Samuels
- 5 - Chuks Okorafor
- 7 - Josh Frazier
I was surprised with how the draft turned out, but I'll do my best to reserve judgement. I didn't like the Watt pick last year, I was yelling at the TV that we should have taken Rueben Foster. After this past year, I'm pretty happy with how things turned out, even if Foster would have been the ideal replacement/compliment to Shazier.
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