Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I only mentioned it because I wasn’t sure if we could. I don’t know the cap numbers. I’m just saying if it’s necessary to drop Bell, I say do it. This is all highly speculative.
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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Cards Coach, Wilks "We're not trading Peterson." This is after Schefter said he went to the team and asked to be traded and Wilks said "I haven't heard from Patrick." Um, maybe he went to the GM. I would, considering you might be out of a job in a couple weeks.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Seeing Cooper fetch a 1st, I think Peterson is worth more than Cooper. It’s hard to say what the market is. I wouldn’t be mad if they gave a first plus at most a 4th or late picks in ‘19 and ‘20. I think it would immediately make them AFC favorites.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The last thing I saw was that it would cost around $6 mil for Peterson this year since half the year is over, and we're around $12 mil after restructuring and not paying Bell.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The reports that were making guesses set it at a 2nd and 3rd or 4th. Cooper could get more for 2 reasons: First, rookie contract this year ($800k or so). Second, he's 24 years old. Peterson is 28. While still a better player, those 4 years matter.
Wouldn't be shocked to see Peterson go for a 1st, but I think less would still get it done if he's really on the table.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Seeing Amari get traded has me fired up, but I don't think that Peterson gets traded. He's probably their most talented player and if the coach has any say at all (probably not much) he won't want to let him go because his job probably goes with him.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I wonder if Arizona's 'relationship' with the Steelers would put them in a better position than other suitors...assuming all offers are reasonably similar.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Not sure, since Arians is gone. Wonder how much that played into it between him and Wisenhunt.
Also, most up to date rumors I've seen say that Peterson wants to go to the Saints, and that the Eagles have asked about him. Maybe their being in the NFC will help us?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
He played at LSU, so Saints make sense for him.
I doubt Arizona cares too much where he goes in the short run, maybe a little in the long run.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I don't think it will happen, but man I wish it would. Offer a 2019 1st rounder plus some third the following year.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The more rumors I see, the Steelers are never listed. It's always Pats, Eagles, or Saints. If he goes to the Pats I think they win the Superbowl.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
CBS lists Chiefs, Steelers, Eagles, Pats, Saints in that order.
Any team from that group he signs with will have a huge bump in their SB chances.
Any team from that group he signs with will have a huge bump in their SB chances.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Would it really shock anyone if the Eagles or Patriots made a trade for him? I think it would shock all of us if the Steelers got him.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Saints trade for Eli Apple, perhaps they're not trying for Peterson anymore.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I wonder if its because they believe the coach when he says Peterson is not on the market or because they know they don't have the ammo to get him (no first rounder next year)
steelers1080
Footballguy
Probably the lack of ammo, and the longer this potential trade sits out there the less I think it'll be the Steelers and the more I think it'll be a rival in the AFC (Chiefs or Pats).
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Sounds like we may be sniffing around another OSU DB castoff in Gareon Conley. Guy was a stud in college. Things haven’t gone as smooth as Lattimore since then.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Steelers probably should go all in for these next two years. Trade a high pick for Peterson.
Keep Leveon instead of trading if he comes back before 10/30. Running AB, juju, Bell, Conner, and vance out there together would freak defenses out.
Keep Leveon instead of trading if he comes back before 10/30. Running AB, juju, Bell, Conner, and vance out there together would freak defenses out.
steelers1080
Footballguy
*Double post
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Also rumored to be sniffing around Janoris Jenkins, who's older and has a higher priced contract than Peterson, but would probably cost less trade value.
100% agree. Most of our 1st round picks the last 5 years have been underwhelming, I'd much rather have Peterson. Especially because I think with him on our team there's a high probability that we pick in the high 20's.
brewer
Footballguy
Steelers first round picks under Colbert/Tomlin:
2007 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
2008 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
2009 32 Evander Hood DT Missouri
2010 18 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida
2011 31 Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
2012 24 David DeCastro G Stanford
2013 17 Jarvis Jones LB Georgia
2014 15 Ryan Shazier LB Ohio State
2015 22 Bud Dupree LB Kentucky
2016 25 Artie Burns CB Miami
2017 30 T. J. Watt LB Wisconsin
2018 28 Terrell Edmunds S Virginia Tech
Nobody hits on all of their picks, and the Steelers are at a disadvantage by picking in the second half of the round almost always, but there are some big misses here. I think I would strongly consider taking Peterson over throwing a dart at the second half of the first round.
2007 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
2008 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
2009 32 Evander Hood DT Missouri
2010 18 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida
2011 31 Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
2012 24 David DeCastro G Stanford
2013 17 Jarvis Jones LB Georgia
2014 15 Ryan Shazier LB Ohio State
2015 22 Bud Dupree LB Kentucky
2016 25 Artie Burns CB Miami
2017 30 T. J. Watt LB Wisconsin
2018 28 Terrell Edmunds S Virginia Tech
Nobody hits on all of their picks, and the Steelers are at a disadvantage by picking in the second half of the round almost always, but there are some big misses here. I think I would strongly consider taking Peterson over throwing a dart at the second half of the first round.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to have PP but I bet the Steelers end up with Gareon Conley or Janoris Jenkins (at best)
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Patrick Peterson - DB - Cardinals
NBC Boston's Tom Curran reports the Patriots haven't "had a single conversation about making a deal" for Patrick Peterson, and he won't be traded to New England.
As Curran points out, it's not that the Patriots aren't interested; they just can't get him under the salary cap. Peterson carries cap hits of $14.9 million, $11.8 million, and $13.1 million the next three years, including this season. He's owed $687,500 per game in 2018. It's a "waste of time" trying to figure out how it would work for the Patriots, a source tells Curran. Peterson has also been linked to the Saints, Eagles, and Jets in recent days, though the Saints just acquired Eli Apple.
Related: Patriots
Source: NBC Boston
Oct 24 - 12:19 PM
NBC Boston's Tom Curran reports the Patriots haven't "had a single conversation about making a deal" for Patrick Peterson, and he won't be traded to New England.
As Curran points out, it's not that the Patriots aren't interested; they just can't get him under the salary cap. Peterson carries cap hits of $14.9 million, $11.8 million, and $13.1 million the next three years, including this season. He's owed $687,500 per game in 2018. It's a "waste of time" trying to figure out how it would work for the Patriots, a source tells Curran. Peterson has also been linked to the Saints, Eagles, and Jets in recent days, though the Saints just acquired Eli Apple.
Related: Patriots
Source: NBC Boston
Oct 24 - 12:19 PM
Steeler
Footballguy
Isn't Conley a young player who hasn't panned out yet? I'm not against kicking the tires on anyone but from what I know he won't help the Steelers this year.
Doesn't Jenkins stink
He seems to get burned a lot so I'm not sure if he is an upgrade.
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
exactlyIsn't Conley a young player who hasn't panned out yet? I'm not against kinking the tires on anyone but from what I know he won't help them this year.
Doesn't Jenkins stink
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Steelers should be all over this. Have extra space this year and next due to leveon.
Buttonhook
Footballguy
Seems like a no-brainer, but we are talking about our beloved PS here...
Any chance they're trying to figure out what Bell is going to do, or if they can trade him?
It would seem if they get Bell's salary off the books they could afford PP's salary.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Patrick Peterson - DB - Cardinals
Mike Jurecki of the Cardinals' official website says there's "zero chance" the team trades CB Patrick Peterson.
Peterson seems resigned to the fact after initially requesting a trade. He released a statement on Wednesday, saying, "I've been incredibly frustrate with how the season has gone. But my energy is 100% focused on being part of the solution & helping us turn this around. ... I have always given my all to the Cardinals organization, my teammates & fans. That is what I intend to do for the years to come." It sounds like we can squash all of those Peterson trade rumors.
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Mike Jurecki of the Cardinals' official website says there's "zero chance" the team trades CB Patrick Peterson.
Peterson seems resigned to the fact after initially requesting a trade. He released a statement on Wednesday, saying, "I've been incredibly frustrate with how the season has gone. But my energy is 100% focused on being part of the solution & helping us turn this around. ... I have always given my all to the Cardinals organization, my teammates & fans. That is what I intend to do for the years to come." It sounds like we can squash all of those Peterson trade rumors.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Sadly it seems like Peterson is definitely off the market. Conley is interesting as a prospect, especially if we can get him for a 4th or 5th, same with Karl Joseph imo. But I don't think either helps us immediately. I do think they could still be molded into solid starters after a year or 2.
Time to shift! Chris Harris Jr, new trade target.
Time to shift! Chris Harris Jr, new trade target.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I for one would be shocked to see Jenkins brought in via trade unless he's basically free. He makes $29.5MM over the next two years, although the dead-money hit isn't egregious if he's cut ($7MM after this season, $3.5MM after next.) Add to this the fact that he's been burnt repeatedly for the Giants this year and there are serious questions about his motor/motivation and I don't know if he makes a ton of sense. Plus there's that whole thing about a corpse in his house and his brother being charged with murder.... I don't know, man. Could be nothing, could be a "where there's smoke, there's fire" situation.steelers1080 said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I think Gruden is going to try to get the moon for Conley and be in for a rude awakening. He's feeling his oats after the Cooper trade. There's only one Jerry Jones out there, Jon. Well, except maybe for your owner, but you can't trade Conley to yourself.Isn't Conley a young player who hasn't panned out yet? I'm not against kicking the tires on anyone but from what I know he won't help the Steelers this year.
Doesn't Jenkins stink
steelers1080
Footballguy
If Conley gets traded I'd be shocked if it was for more than a 4th. If it is, it's an overpay. He was AMAZING in college, he allowed like 16 receptions or something his senior year, but he hasn't been as good as a pro.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Those are some pretty strong picks from where they were.brewer said:
The point is moot as PP seems to be out of the question, but this isn't a bad hit rate on the picks. There were others in there that were serviceable.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
As usual, Steelers likely stand pat.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Sad, I’d be happy with Conley if Peterson doesn’t move. Seems like Oakland will do it but others in this thread may be correct in Gruden/Raiders asking for the moon.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
So what has been his problem in Oakland (given he was such a stud in college)? Can he be coached up and do we have the coaches to do it?
Conley missed all of last season....so this is basically his rookie season. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him for a 5th rd pick....4th at most
nittanylion
Footballguy
Is James Washington holding out, too? Jeez, Louise...wtf is going on with this guy?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It is the head coach’s job to remind his professional kick returner to field the ball? That is on switz and the special teams coach.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
On CBS they said it was a hamstring injury.
Overall, team looked good, as they should against the Browns. We'll see if they can maintain against the Ravens next week. I could have sworn that after that Safety Punt debacle that we were going to lose the game. Dumb plays like that usually cost us.
Also, Conner is really looking great, but the front 7 for the Ravens have been really stout. I hope we dial up a lot of quick passes and screens to open up the running lanes. I wasn't very happy with the early play calling in the game this week. We didn't seem to have a pass cross the line of scrimmage until the 2nd quarter, it was all short routes, which I don't mind. But you can't do that 100% of the time or the D compresses and takes any gains away.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Todd Haley looking for a job again.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I could be wrong but my guess is that Coach Todd took the Browns job thinking that Hue would get canned and he would be likely named the interim coach. Didn't work out that way though...
apalmer
Footballguy
Before the next offensive series, I expect a sideline huddle so Tomlin can tell everyone "Listen, if the QB fumbles, it's a live ball. Someone jump on it."
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Obviously Hue Jackson is a better coach cause the Browns players knew the ball was live.
Seriously I suppose the coaches should have reminded the players on the kickoff return team that the ball is live but my lord it is a pretty basic aspect of the game and something the players on special teams should know. I betcha they will be reminded on the next kickoff following a safety though...
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I do feel that the special teams coach should shoulder a lot of the blame though. His only job is to coach special teams and he has to ensure that his players understand the rules. That may seem like a basic rule that everyone should know but it’s not like free kicks occur that often. I think the blame is 50/50. Yes next time all the players will know that rule but this could have cost them the game if they were playing a better team. I do agree that Tomlin doesn’t deserve any blame at all for that play.
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