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The official Cam @ Texans week 15 scares the #$@ out of me (1 Viewer)
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In a way, I feel Cam is "match-up proof." Not in the way that Rogers, Brady, or Brees are, though. You will play those guys regardless of how bad the match-up is, because they are that proficient as QBs. With Cam, I feel that he isn't a pure passer, so even if there is a good pass D facing him, he will (usually) still get points/TDs on the ground.I could see a line like 180 passing yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, with 50+ rush yards and a rush TD.In my main league (no negatives for INT), that is 15 points (the top 4 QBs all average over 16 ppg), so while it's not a HUGE game, it is not a bust, either.ETA-now if you have someone like Brees or even Romo, who are top (or 2nd-tier) QBs with great matchups, you probably play them, but I wouldn't play Grossman over him.
I have one of the latter two, but don't want this to be a WDIS. Right now Cam is in my lineup, but the FBG projections might lean me another way.
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Woogie Lee
Footballguy
Stafford vs. Cam for me.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I own Cam in 3 of my 6 playoff leagues and am not scared.Sure, on paper, the matchup looks bad. But, until we see how Houston accounts for him, we don't know it to be a poor matchup. In other words, Houston has shut some very strong running games down - but how will they fair when there is the threat of the option read? Et cetera. Like the poster above said - although his format scores differently- 200 yards 1 TD/1 INT, 50 rushing 1 TD = 24 points. That is not a special game, and Cam is well above baseline.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
This is silly. Cam will throw for 200+, run for 50+ and account for at least two TDs, with three or more being more likely. The Texans offense is sputtering and will put Cam in good positions with plenty of opportunities to move the ball.
djjosee
Footballguy
Same boat, riding Newton only for the reason that we get only 3 points for a passing TD.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Cam is much safer due to the risk of Turner vulturing all the TDs.
Woogie Lee
Footballguy
How many TDs has Turner scored the last few weeks?
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Tebow & Romo....that probably covers over half the owners who have made to week 15.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I didn't explain this good. Rodger, Brees and Brady I'd play over Newton. Stafford, Tebow and Romo if you'd rather play a safe matchup. After those top 3 no way I'm afraid to play Newton.
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I would love to have this dilemma.
I face the Cam owner in my league's playoffs this week and my choices at QB are Fitzpatrick, a concussed Moore and waiver wire fodder like Seneca Wallace, John Skelton, sprained Bradford, Orlovsky, Gabbert, TJax vs. the Bears and an assortment of Chiefs.
I would happily settle for my opponent's backup QB (Sanchez) or even Jake Locker at this point. :(
I face the Cam owner in my league's playoffs this week and my choices at QB are Fitzpatrick, a concussed Moore and waiver wire fodder like Seneca Wallace, John Skelton, sprained Bradford, Orlovsky, Gabbert, TJax vs. the Bears and an assortment of Chiefs.
I would happily settle for my opponent's backup QB (Sanchez) or even Jake Locker at this point. :(
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smashingsilver
Footballguy
Be careful what you wish for; Locker's been scoring like Cam in his brief appearances this season. Not saying he's as good as Cam, but from a fantasy perspective, he has a decent chance of outscoring him.'Lascelle said:
glumpy
breeze
Y'all are killing me! "slam dunk matchup"?!!
Actually was leaning toward playing Tebow for that slam dunk but decided that Romo's matchup is pretty good too. Been a fun duo to pair. 
ETA: The point. Don't know what I'd do with Cam in that mix. Or maybe I do. He might be unbenchable. (Carolina Fan)
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Dragon1952
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I think you pretty much start Cam unless you've got Rodgers, Brady or Brees. Seriously, someone is undecided between Matt Ryan and Cam Newton? 
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Insoxicated
I'll go ahead and say it....
I think this is the week that bites all Cam owners in the ###.... Not a total collapse, but enough of a dip that it costs people who have been riding him the chance to advance.
I'm guessing at a 220 YD PASS / 1 INT / 1 TD / 1 INT / 50 YD RUSH / 0 TD
Newton has been somewhat neutralized as a passer in the 2nd half...
Passer Rating : Fallen from 87.1 to 70.8
Yards Per Attempt : Fallen from 8.3 to 7.2
Passing Touchdowns: 1.38 TD/G in weeks 1-8 -- 0.8 TD/G in last 5 weeks (only 4 TD)
A large portion of his value in the 2nd half has come via an increase in rushing TD's.
9 of Cam's 13 TD's come from inside the 10. 8 of 13 come from inside the 5.
Houston has only allowed 6 total rushing TDs this season... I wonder how many have been from inside the 5 or 10?
I think this is the week that bites all Cam owners in the ###.... Not a total collapse, but enough of a dip that it costs people who have been riding him the chance to advance.
I'm guessing at a 220 YD PASS / 1 INT / 1 TD / 1 INT / 50 YD RUSH / 0 TD
Newton has been somewhat neutralized as a passer in the 2nd half...
Passer Rating : Fallen from 87.1 to 70.8
Yards Per Attempt : Fallen from 8.3 to 7.2
Passing Touchdowns: 1.38 TD/G in weeks 1-8 -- 0.8 TD/G in last 5 weeks (only 4 TD)
A large portion of his value in the 2nd half has come via an increase in rushing TD's.
9 of Cam's 13 TD's come from inside the 10. 8 of 13 come from inside the 5.
Houston has only allowed 6 total rushing TDs this season... I wonder how many have been from inside the 5 or 10?
Dragon1952
Footballguy
The Texans clinched the division last week, as well as the first playoff berth in franchise history. There had to be some celebrating and probably a great spot for a let down, however slight it may be. I just don't see an all out defensive effort from them this week. Good, but not their best effort.
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3 way (technically 4 way) tie for homefield in the AFC... I see almost no way is there is a letdown this week.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
We'll see I guess. First playoff berth in history is huge. I could see them losing here to tell you the truth, and I've been on them the last few weeks even as dogs.
GREAT point...and should not be discounted. There is a solid chance they come out flat after clinching.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
3 more likely? No one's scored 20 on Houston in 7 games.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And that would be my one concern.They're still in the mix for a first round bye though. Hopefully that's enough to keep them going.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I'm looking for a good old shootout. Starting Cam, Foster & Tate! Let's score some points!
I have to decide between Cam and Tebow ------ I would appreciate any feedback
What concerns me about Cam, that hasn't been brought up is Carolina's defense. I can see Houston dominating the time of possession - which would limit Cam's oppurtunities.
I am not overly hyped over Tebow either.
So basically I am looking for the safer play - I am thinking flip a coin but can be swayed with some good feedback
thanks in advance
What concerns me about Cam, that hasn't been brought up is Carolina's defense. I can see Houston dominating the time of possession - which would limit Cam's oppurtunities.
I am not overly hyped over Tebow either.
So basically I am looking for the safer play - I am thinking flip a coin but can be swayed with some good feedback
thanks in advance
Dragon1952
Footballguy
If you look at Tebow vs Newton Weeks's 5-14 Newton's got a 6.5 ppg advantage in 6 pt per TD, .05 pts per 20 yds passing leagues.
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Thatnotwhywe'rehere
glumpy
breeze
Didn't realize until seeing this thread but in my league's scoring Houston is #2 defense vs QB. As a Carolina fan I hope Cam torches them--especially if it keeps my opponent's Arien Foster off the field. Fantasy wise I'll be playing Romo over Tebow, but Romo vs Cam would be a tough choice given the matchups.
I own Cam & Rivers, and last week I considered Rivers a "maybe" because of his match up, and in the end they were one tenth of a point difference in scoring for my league. This week however, with Baltimore coming to town, a patchwork offensive line in San Diego, and the type of season Rivers has had overall, I don't think Rivers qualifies in the Romo / Eli category when considering whether to play him or Cam this week. Cam had a great deal to do with me making the playoffs this season, and I'll dance with the one that brought me!
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Carolina is an elite offense. Can beat you on the ground or through the air. Top 10 in both categories.
Houston has done very well against bad offenses this year. Jax twice, Indy, Cleveland, TB, Cincy, Tennessee, and the Henne led Dolphins. They've got 2 quality wins against Pitt and Atlanta. The D was demolished by New Orleans, plus Baltimore and Oakland did fine against them. It could be argued that Houston is a product of their schedule just as much as you arguing against Carolina's offense vs Houston's D.
Carolina may give Houston everything they want and more this weekend.
jamil
Footballguy
Don't get it wrong Houston has a very good defense. they held no pretty well in the superdome until the last quarter. They shut the steelers and Atlanta down at home. Baltimore and no were the only ones to really score on them (the offense put them in bad spots against Oakland). With that said, cam is what a top 5 qb? You don't bench him.'scrumptrulescent said:
unckeyherb
Footballguy
With Romo picking up his game and his WR's all getting healthy I am playing the match-ups between him and Cam. This week-Romo gets the nod.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I didn't say anything to rival that. Houston does have a good defense, I don't disagree. I don't care when New Orleans did it....they did it. I'm sure Cam owners would take a 4th quarter offensive explosion. And no one will care if Houston's offense puts the D in bad spots against Carolina, giving the Panthers points.
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
Amen...same situation but I'm going with my heart and rolling with Romo.
Mr. Fusion
Footballguy
Common situation it seems. I'm really having a hard time sitting Cam. If Romo doesn't throw for 3 or more TDs I think Cam outscores him with his added rushing. This would be an easier decision if at least one of them was at home. At least if we make it to next week the decision is easier. Cam at home against the Bucs
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
With Phillips not on the sideline I expect the Texans to actually turn it up a notch for the coach...They also know that the defense has to carry the offense to stay in the game with Yates as the QB and still learning...Not sure how they will game plan for Cam but to think they will not give 110% is just incorrect, they are playing for a home seed as far into the playoffs as they can get and are playing for something for the first time in their history...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Bump Rackers.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Cam will still get it done fantasy-wise using his legs, but I'm just not feeling he'll get too much done passing it; maybe a TD to one of the TEs
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Wat?
