The Oscars Got It Wrong Every Year, Tell Me a Year and I'll Fix It (1 Viewer)

[Captain Cranks]

Don't think you can make a convincing argument for '93 (Schindler's List) and '94 (Forrest Gump).

 

[Ilov80s]

Don't think you can make a convincing argument for '93 (Schindler's List) and '94 (Forrest Gump).

I already did 94. That’s easy. Forrest Gump is a very controversial winner with a lot of people who hate that movie. I mean Pulp Fiction, come on. 93, now that’s going to be fun.

 

[Captain Cranks]

Don't think you can make a convincing argument for '93 (Schindler's List) and '94 (Forrest Gump).

I already did 94. That’s easy. Forrest Gump is a very controversial winner with a lot of people who hate that movie. I mean Pulp Fiction, come on. 93, now that’s going to be fun.

Ahh, missed Pulp Fiction. That's fair. 1994 was stacked (Shawshank too).

 

[Mr. Mojo]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

 

[Todem]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Inglorious Bastards is my all time top Quinten flick by far.

I loved Kill Bill Vol 1 as well as Django Unchained and Jackie Brown more than Pulp Fiction. Heck even Reseviour Dogs too.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

2009 - curious to see if you get the right answer

Actual Winner: Slumdog Millionaire

For me the 2000s are maybe the worst era. Slumdog was entertaining. Everyone got very excited about it when it was released but it fell out of consciousness pretty quickly. It's not a movie anyone really talks about today. I personally like Frost/Nixon, Revolutionary Road and In Bruges the most. But I think Best Picture should ultimately be an award that highlights all that movies have to offer and be about movies that people love- not just movies that have deep statements or are pretentious (though there is a place for that too). There is no doubt comic book moves are a key part of modern Hollywood so it would have made sense for The Dark Knight to be the comic book movie that received the high honor from the Academy. I that was the most entertaining movie of the year. Though, if I had been in charge all a long and rewarded Nolan here, I would have chosen Lady Bird or Get Out for 2018 instead.

2009 Oscar should have gone to The Dark Knight

Sorry 2010 confused on how wiki lists them

 

[Ilov80s]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Hmmm not sure I’ve ever heard someone r say Vince-Mia was weak. That’s one of my favorite parts. I also agree that it’s not my favorite QT. But it was the right movie at the time.

 

[UncleZen]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

This is what makes life so fun because I completely disagree with your assessment of Pulp Fiction. I love the Vince/Mia parts and the last scene in the coffee house is pure greatness. "that would have to be one charming mf'ing pig!"

 

[Alex P Keaton]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

I will agree with you on Gump should have lost... Shawshank would have been my second choice. Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade. EIther of those would have been the better choice... heck I'd pick Quiz Show over Gump.

All 4 of the other nominees were better than Gump. Shawshank, Pulp, Quiz Show, Four Weddings and a Funeral. I rewatch all 4 of those (Quiz Show by far the least). I’ve seen Gump once and thought it was mediocre. No idea why anyone has seen it a second time. Pure nonsense.

 

[Joey Wright]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

 

[Todem]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

The Kings Speech was fantastic…..neck and neck with The Social Network.

 

[Ilov80s]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

For sure

 

[rockaction]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Hmmm not sure I’ve ever heard someone r say Vince-Mia was weak. That’s one of my favorite parts. I also agree that it’s not my favorite QT. But it was the right movie at the time.

The use of the intro leading into **** Dale and the non-temporal aspect of the movie made it so forward-thinking in 1994 that those things became commonplace (attention to soundtrack, pacing of the movie, and the sequencing of events being messed with by a very present director). It's hard to overestimate how groundbreaking that film was in numerous ways.

That it didn't win the Oscar is such a mistake.

Is it a better story than Shawshank? Probably not. It is, after all, pulpy Pulp Fiction. Dime store novels vs. Stephen King's five dollar paperbacks. But it's a better movie experience.

Quiz Show. I do not understand the love and I think it's because they play up the Van Doren-as-establishment part that it becomes compelling. " The Uncle Tom of the Jews," the investigator's girlfriend calls him. It plays up the identity politics of it, which is why I think it gets so much credit in retrospect. I saw it in theatres and it was compelling, but it was a bit of a snooze fest.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

The Kings Speech was fantastic…..neck and neck with The Social Network.

Kings Speech is a better pure movie, it just isn’t as mass marketable and not as rewatchable. I don’t really think Social Network is anything special.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Hmmm not sure I’ve ever heard someone r say Vince-Mia was weak. That’s one of my favorite parts. I also agree that it’s not my favorite QT. But it was the right movie at the time.

The use of the intro leading into **** Dale and the non-temporal aspect of the movie made it so forward-thinking in 1994 that those things became commonplace (attention to soundtrack, pacing of the movie, and the sequencing of events being messed with by a very present director). It's hard to overestimate how groundbreaking that film was in numerous ways.

That it didn't win the Oscar is such a mistake.

Is it a better story than Shawshank? Probably not. It is, after all, pulpy Pulp Fiction. Dime store novels vs. Stephen King's five dollar paperbacks. But it's a better movie experience.

Quiz Show. I do not understand the love and I think it's because they play up the Van Doren-as-establishment part that it becomes compelling. " The Uncle Tom of the Jews," the investigator's girlfriend calls him. It plays up the identity politics of it, which is why I think it gets so much credit in retrospect. I saw it in theatres and it was compelling, but it was a bit of a snooze fest.

Only a portion of that is what I found compelling about Quiz Show. It’s based on - and decently true to - something that really happened. Jack Barry was chased out of television because of this scandal - that really happened. It took decades for him to make a comeback…..and Joker’s Wild IS one of the greatest game shows of all time!!

“Reality TV”, starting with when The Real World was scripted and phony, is the moment when the quiz show cheating scandals basically became acceptable again. People no longer care if the whole thing is rigged — if a quiz show was rigged today, Gen Z idiots like my kids wouldn’t care at all. As long as it was on TikTok, it’s all just entertainment.

I do think your point about the anti-establishment aspect as relates to Van Doren vs Stempel, is part of the allure of how the story was told in the movie. It’s good moviemaking.

As mentioned previously, Quiz Show was my least favorite of the 4 good nominees that year. But compared to Gump? Quiz Show is a really good movie. Gump is mediocre at best. I will never watch that movie again.

 

[Judge Smails]

Thought this was going to be all schtick and then I see the case for Boyz in the Hood over Silence of the Lambs
:subscribe:

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ll answer some more inquiries this evening

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I’ll answer some more inquiries this evening

Im still waiting for 2010 (the year that Hurt Locker won)

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ll answer some more inquiries this evening

Im still waiting for 2010 (the year that Hurt Locker won)

It’s on my list, I’ve got a backlog

 

[Todem]

Thought this was going to be all schtick and then I see the case for Boyz in the Hood over Silence of the Lambs
:subscribe:

Two great movies.

 

[Scoresman]

Disagree about Silence of the Lambs. You've got a movie that holds up incredibly well today, contains the signature performances of two legendary actors, and has been imitated countless times. It's the clear winner that year and that's not taking anything away from Boyz N The Hood.

 

[Ilov80s]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

The Kings Speech was fantastic…..neck and neck with The Social Network.

Kings Speech is a better pure movie, it just isn’t as mass marketable and not as rewatchable. I don’t really think Social Network is anything special.

I like Kings Speech but it’s a very textbook movie.

 

[Ilov80s]

Disagree about Silence of the Lambs. You've got a movie that holds up incredibly well today, contains the signature performances of two legendary actors, and has been imitated countless times. It's the clear winner that year and that's not taking anything away from Boyz N The Hood.

I love Silence. The plot of it doesn’t really hold up to any scrutiny though. The world’s most violent and dangerous killer and they don’t have a camera in there or some kind of system to get him food other than having to go in the cell with him to give him the food? How in the world is he moving all these bodies and stuff around into elevator shafts totally unnoticed and rigging up some kind guy hanging like a cross? What are the chances he knows everything about Buffalo Bill and the FBI guesses correct that he does and they send someone with no experience to get it out of him? And how in the world does Clarice put all that together with the clues given? The mystery detective part of it is actually kind of clunky but it’s so well made and acted we don’t even notice or care.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

The Kings Speech was fantastic…..neck and neck with The Social Network.

Kings Speech is a better pure movie, it just isn’t as mass marketable and not as rewatchable. I don’t really think Social Network is anything special.

I like Kings Speech but it’s a very textbook movie.

Social Network is just Rain Man goes to college and goes the startup route.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

The Kings Speech was fantastic…..neck and neck with The Social Network.

Kings Speech is a better pure movie, it just isn’t as mass marketable and not as rewatchable. I don’t really think Social Network is anything special.

I like Kings Speech but it’s a very textbook movie.

Social Network is just Rain Man goes to college and goes the startup route.

Btw - Inception was the best movie that year anyway

 

[Eephus]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

Denis Villeneuve's Incendies is a better film than either.

 

[Zow]

1991

Actual Winner: Dances with Wolves

This is an easy one. I know it's kind of typical now to say DWW sucks and is boring. People obviously disagreed at the time. It made over $400 million dollars on it's release which adjusted for inflation probably makes it like a Spiderman movie in todays world. So people did love it at the time. I still do. It is slow and it is long but it's beautiful, tells a story not typically told and is a classy well made movie. That said Goodfellas is like being on drugs, it's insanely good. Totally untouchable.

Fern Gully and Avatar disagree with you.

 

[Zow]

2017 Films.

Edit: been day drinking

Actual Winner: The Shape of Water

Baffling choice by the Academy here. Especially in such a strong movie year. Lady Bird, Dunkirk, The Florida Project, Call Me By Your Name, Phantom Thread, Get Out. Take your pick.

And the Oscar should have gone to Dunkirk

I miss arguing with Tanner/RudiStein/jeopardy guy about how terrible The Shape of Water is.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ll answer some more inquiries this evening

Im still waiting for 2010 (the year that Hurt Locker won)

Actual Winner: The Hurt Locker

Interesting fact: The Hurt Locker is the lowest grossing Best Picture winner of all time (excluding the COVID year for Nomadland). Avatar was the goliath it defeated- it would have been the highest grossing winner ever. I like both movies. I was very late to the Avatar game but I saw it in 3D when it was re- released before the sequel. It legitmately was good IMO and would represent an interesting choice for the Academy. But there is a better and more interesting choice to be made: Up. No animated movie has won but they are movies too. Beautifully crafted with all the things we love about any other film: great imagination, music, visuals and performances. Comedy, drama, action, sadness. The ideas and themes converyed in Pixar's Up are ones we rarely see put to screen. Aging isn't an idea that usually gets on the big screen and espcially not to appeal to such a mass audience. Carl and the balloon have fully entered the culture. Up has made people of all ages laugh and cry and experience so many real human thoughts and feelings, all in a 96 minutes. It converys more in that time than most 160 minute epic dramas. It's the best movie of the year and honoring a category of movie that rarely gets the level of respect it deserves. Why can't beloved movies made for all ages also be the best?

In the 2010 the envelope should have read Up

 

[rockaction]

In the 2010 the envelope should have read Up

I loved The Hurt Locker and was thrilled for Kathryn Bigelow to get her due (where has she been in the DotM?), but Up is the best choice here. Quite simply, it's the best movie, IMO, and I saw a bunch that year (that was really the last year for rockaction's at the movies schitick).

 

[Dan Lambskin]

But we ALL agree 2011 was a travesty with The King's Speech winning over The Social Network, right?

Denis Villeneuve's Incendies is a better film than either.

This is on my list to watch

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I’ll answer some more inquiries this evening

Im still waiting for 2010 (the year that Hurt Locker won)

Actual Winner: The Hurt Locker

Interesting fact: The Hurt Locker is the lowest grossing Best Picture winner of all time (excluding the COVID year for Nomadland). Avatar was the goliath it defeated- it would have been the highest grossing winner ever. I like both movies. I was very late to the Avatar game but I saw it in 3D when it was re- released before the sequel. It legitmately was good IMO and would represent an interesting choice for the Academy. But there is a better and more interesting choice to be made: Up. No animated movie has won but they are movies too. Beautifully crafted with all the things we love about any other film: great imagination, music, visuals and performances. Comedy, drama, action, sadness. The ideas and themes converyed in Pixar's Up are ones we rarely see put to screen. Aging isn't an idea that usually gets on the big screen and espcially not to appeal to such a mass audience. Carl and the balloon have fully entered the culture. Up has made people of all ages laugh and cry and experience so many real human thoughts and feelings, all in a 96 minutes. It converys more in that time than most 160 minute epic dramas. It's the best movie of the year and honoring a category of movie that rarely gets the level of respect it deserves. Why can't beloved movies made for all ages also be the best?

In the 2010 the envelope should have read Up

It’s actually A Serious Man but Up was really good and definitely better than Hurt Locker

 

[rockaction]

It’s actually A Serious Man

Tough movie to watch. Up and The Hurt Locker and Avatar are movies you can really get with. A Serious Man is the Book of Job come to the screen. That's an awfully heady, depressing concept about God and man. What do you like about A Serious Man?

 

[Don Quixote]

Layup for you… fix the year 1942.

ETA: Meant 1942 awards. 1941 movies.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

It’s actually A Serious Man

Tough movie to watch. Up and The Hurt Locker and Avatar are movies you can really get with. A Serious Man is the Book of Job come to the screen. That's an awfully heady, depressing concept about God and man. What do you like about A Serious Man?

Been awhile since I’ve seen it but i remember really liking it, also a big fan of Michael Stuhlbarg, he’s also great as Arnold Rothstein in Boardwalk Empire

Schrödinger's cat also a big theme

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Have you done 1945 yet?

 

[Ilov80s]

2017 Films.

Edit: been day drinking

Actual Winner: The Shape of Water

Baffling choice by the Academy here. Especially in such a strong movie year. Lady Bird, Dunkirk, The Florida Project, Call Me By Your Name, Phantom Thread, Get Out. Take your pick.

And the Oscar should have gone to Dunkirk

Should have been Get Out. Easy choice.

Convince me because I am second guessing my choice of Dunkirk a little

 

[Ilov80s]

Have you done 1945 yet?

Actual Winner: Going My Way

Bing Crosby was the biggest star in the world and one of the rare people who was equal in their acting and singing. This was the kind of feel good movie that audiences clung to as the US reached the final days of World War 2. It's easy to see why it won 7 Oscars and was the highest grossing movie of the year. The Academy 100% had the right idea in honoring a warm, wholesome smash hit American movie with great songs and magnetic stars. They just picked the wrong actor and wrong movie. Step aside Bing Crosby and make way for Judy Garland. Meet Me in St Louis is one of the great Hollywood musicals. I watch it pretty much every year as it has a pivotal scene set at Christmas and is where the song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas comes from. But even better than that is seeing how diabolical Halloween was in 1904. A movie that if it's charms work on you, it will get better and better with every viewing. I can only imagine what this movie, that looked back at turn of the century America before anyone had heard of fascism, mustard gas or places like Verdun and Guadalcanal, meant to audiences as World War 2 was reaching it's final hours and families mourned their lost loved ones, prayed for the return of those still overseas and rejoiced in being reunited.

The winner in 1945 should have been Meet Me in St. Louis

 

[Don Quixote]

Have you done 1945 yet?

Actual Winner: Goiny My Way

Bing Crosby was the biggest star in the world and one of the rare people who was equal in their acting and singing. This was the kind of feel good movie that audiences clung to as the US reached the final days of World War 2. It's easy to see why it won 7 Oscars and was the highest grossing movie of the year. The Academy 100% had the right idea in hnoring a warm, wholesome smash hit American movie with great songs and performers who act as well as they could sing. They just picked the wrong actor and wrong movie. Step aside Bing Crosby and make way for Judy Garland. Meet Me in St Louis is one of the great Hollywood musicals. I watch it pretty much every year as it has a pivotal scene set at Christmas and is where the song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas comes from. But even better than that is seeing how diabolical Halloween was in 1904. A movie that if it's charms work on you, it will get better and better with every viewing. I can only imagine what this movie meant to audiences as World War was reaching it's final hours.

The winner in 1945 should have been Meet Me in St. Louis

Strong year. I’d have probably given the edge to Double Indemnity or Gaslight.

 

[Eephus]

Have you done 1945 yet?

Actual Winner: Goiny My Way

Bing Crosby was the biggest star in the world and one of the rare people who was equal in their acting and singing. This was the kind of feel good movie that audiences clung to as the US reached the final days of World War 2. It's easy to see why it won 7 Oscars and was the highest grossing movie of the year. The Academy 100% had the right idea in hnoring a warm, wholesome smash hit American movie with great songs and performers who act as well as they could sing. They just picked the wrong actor and wrong movie. Step aside Bing Crosby and make way for Judy Garland. Meet Me in St Louis is one of the great Hollywood musicals. I watch it pretty much every year as it has a pivotal scene set at Christmas and is where the song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas comes from. But even better than that is seeing how diabolical Halloween was in 1904. A movie that if it's charms work on you, it will get better and better with every viewing. I can only imagine what this movie meant to audiences as World War was reaching it's final hours.

The winner in 1945 should have been Meet Me in St. Louis

I understand your line of thinking about the contemporary mood of the Academy and the country but Double Indemnity has been more influential over the decades

 

[Ilov80s]

Don't think you can make a convincing argument for '94 (Schindler's List)

Ok last one for today

1994

Actual Winner: Schindloer's List

Ok this is a tough one. It's really hard to argue against anything about Schindler's List. Though I think I would maybe give Philadelphia a slight nod. Schindler's is the better movie but Philadelphia is a bit braver for the issue it was addressing as it was very much of the time. America was recking with homosexuality and AIDs in the early 90s. At the time, we seemed to have had a strong handle on anti-semitism, NAZIs and the Holocaust. Ultimately and people might not like this or think I am a bit of a slave to being 11-12 years old at this time but I would give the Best Picture to a different Spielberg movie, Jurassic Park. I still think it's the perfect blockbuster movie, the perfect action-adventure and like Star Wars did in 1977, it set a new standard for sound and effects. The dinosaurs in the original JP look better than the recent Jurassic World movies. Social messages are important but sometimes we just want escape and Jurassic Park is the ultimate good time at the movies movie.

The 1994 winner is Steven Spielberg's Jurassic Park

 

[Ilov80s]

Have you done 1945 yet?

Actual Winner: Goiny My Way
B
Bing Crosby was the biggest star in the world and one of the rare people who was equal in their acting and singing. This was the kind of feel good movie that audiences clung to as the US reached the final days of World War 2. It's easy to see why it won 7 Oscars and was the highest grossing movie of the year. The Academy 100% had the right idea in hnoring a warm, wholesome smash hit American movie with great songs and performers who act as well as they could sing. They just picked the wrong actor and wrong movie. Step aside Bing Crosby and make way for Judy Garland. Meet Me in St Louis is one of the great Hollywood musicals. I watch it pretty much every year as it has a pivotal scene set at Christmas and is where the song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas comes from. But even better than that is seeing how diabolical Halloween was in 1904. A movie that if it's charms work on you, it will get better and better with every viewing. I can only imagine what this movie meant to audiences as World War was reaching it's final hours.

The winner in 1945 should have been Meet Me in St. Louis

Strong year. I’d have probably given the edge to Double Indemnity or Gaslight.

Both great choices

 

[Eephus]

How about the 1971 Oscars which in retrospect looks like the last hurrah of old Hollywood?

 

[rockaction]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Hmmm not sure I’ve ever heard someone r say Vince-Mia was weak. That’s one of my favorite parts. I also agree that it’s not my favorite QT. But it was the right movie at the time.

The use of the intro leading into **** Dale and the non-temporal aspect of the movie made it so forward-thinking in 1994 that those things became commonplace (attention to soundtrack, pacing of the movie, and the sequencing of events being messed with by a very present director). It's hard to overestimate how groundbreaking that film was in numerous ways.

That it didn't win the Oscar is such a mistake.

Is it a better story than Shawshank? Probably not. It is, after all, pulpy Pulp Fiction. Dime store novels vs. Stephen King's five dollar paperbacks. But it's a better movie experience.

Quiz Show. I do not understand the love and I think it's because they play up the Van Doren-as-establishment part that it becomes compelling. " The Uncle Tom of the Jews," the investigator's girlfriend calls him. It plays up the identity politics of it, which is why I think it gets so much credit in retrospect. I saw it in theatres and it was compelling, but it was a bit of a snooze fest.

Only a portion of that is what I found compelling about Quiz Show. It’s based on - and decently true to - something that really happened. Jack Barry was chased out of television because of this scandal - that really happened. It took decades for him to make a comeback…..and Joker’s Wild IS one of the greatest game shows of all time!!

“Reality TV”, starting with when The Real World was scripted and phony, is the moment when the quiz show cheating scandals basically became acceptable again. People no longer care if the whole thing is rigged — if a quiz show was rigged today, Gen Z idiots like my kids wouldn’t care at all. As long as it was on TikTok, it’s all just entertainment.

I do think your point about the anti-establishment aspect as relates to Van Doren vs Stempel, is part of the allure of how the story was told in the movie. It’s good moviemaking.

As mentioned previously, Quiz Show was my least favorite of the 4 good nominees that year. But compared to Gump? Quiz Show is a really good movie. Gump is mediocre at best. I will never watch that movie again.

This was a thoughtful reply to my kvetching. I did like Quiz Show, I just think it's gotten way too much love after the affair was over, you know? It's one of those things that got a re-evaluation that I don't think needed one. It was pretty well-received at the time and that's how I remember the movie. Good movie.

Anyway, that's an interesting post you made.

 

[rockaction]

What are the chances he knows everything about Buffalo Bill and the FBI guesses correct that he does and they send someone with no experience to get it out of him?

I want to totally agree but I think they send Starling precisely due to the fact that she has no experience and he won't deal with the other agents because they bring too much of their own baggage to bear. They'll try and manipulate him or let their judgment of him get in the way, and she is a novice who Lecter thinks he can screw with. He plays psychological games with her about her background and she's visibly affected so he keeps doing it. I think it's actually important that the audience know she has no training so we can see the weird mentorship take place.

Plus, we're supposed to suspend disbelief for a moment and think he likes her.

 

[Ilov80s]

What are the chances he knows everything about Buffalo Bill and the FBI guesses correct that he does and they send someone with no experience to get it out of him?

I want to totally agree but I think they send Starling precisely due to the fact that she has no experience and he won't deal with the other agents because they bring too much of their own baggage to bear. They'll try and manipulate him or let their judgment of him get in the way, and she is a novice who Lecter thinks he can screw with. He plays psychological games with her about her background and she's visibly affected so he keeps doing it. I think it's actually important that the audience know she has no training so we can see the weird mentorship take place.

Plus, we're supposed to suspend disbelief for a moment and think he likes her.

That is good analysis. Lucky for them she turned out to be the most genius detective ever. But none of my nitpicks bother me at all. The movie is so good you don’t even notice them. Like you said we have to suspend disbelief. Which we do for most stories.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

Hmmm not sure I’ve ever heard someone r say Vince-Mia was weak. That’s one of my favorite parts. I also agree that it’s not my favorite QT. But it was the right movie at the time.

The use of the intro leading into **** Dale and the non-temporal aspect of the movie made it so forward-thinking in 1994 that those things became commonplace (attention to soundtrack, pacing of the movie, and the sequencing of events being messed with by a very present director). It's hard to overestimate how groundbreaking that film was in numerous ways.

That it didn't win the Oscar is such a mistake.

Is it a better story than Shawshank? Probably not. It is, after all, pulpy Pulp Fiction. Dime store novels vs. Stephen King's five dollar paperbacks. But it's a better movie experience.

Quiz Show. I do not understand the love and I think it's because they play up the Van Doren-as-establishment part that it becomes compelling. " The Uncle Tom of the Jews," the investigator's girlfriend calls him. It plays up the identity politics of it, which is why I think it gets so much credit in retrospect. I saw it in theatres and it was compelling, but it was a bit of a snooze fest.

Only a portion of that is what I found compelling about Quiz Show. It’s based on - and decently true to - something that really happened. Jack Barry was chased out of television because of this scandal - that really happened. It took decades for him to make a comeback…..and Joker’s Wild IS one of the greatest game shows of all time!!

“Reality TV”, starting with when The Real World was scripted and phony, is the moment when the quiz show cheating scandals basically became acceptable again. People no longer care if the whole thing is rigged — if a quiz show was rigged today, Gen Z idiots like my kids wouldn’t care at all. As long as it was on TikTok, it’s all just entertainment.

I do think your point about the anti-establishment aspect as relates to Van Doren vs Stempel, is part of the allure of how the story was told in the movie. It’s good moviemaking.

As mentioned previously, Quiz Show was my least favorite of the 4 good nominees that year. But compared to Gump? Quiz Show is a really good movie. Gump is mediocre at best. I will never watch that movie again.

This was a thoughtful reply to my kvetching. I did like Quiz Show, I just think it's gotten way too much love after the affair was over, you know? It's one of those things that got a re-evaluation that I don't think needed one. It was pretty well-received at the time and that's how I remember the movie. Good movie.

Anyway, that's an interesting post you made.

Thx rock. Btw, I can definitely appreciate anyone who thinks it is overrated and shouldn’t have been nominated at all. Totally fair point of view — but I still think it is more deserving than Gump.

Other movies that could have been deserving of nomination:

The Lion King
Dumb and Dumber
Ace Ventura (love this movie!!!)
Ed Wood
Clerks

Etc

I would watch any of those movies over Gump, no questions asked.

PS - I’m going off what IMDB says were movies from that year. Apologies if I’m getting any release dates wrong

 

[Alex P Keaton]

2017 Films.

Edit: been day drinking

Actual Winner: The Shape of Water

Baffling choice by the Academy here. Especially in such a strong movie year. Lady Bird, Dunkirk, The Florida Project, Call Me By Your Name, Phantom Thread, Get Out. Take your pick.

And the Oscar should have gone to Dunkirk

Should have been Get Out. Easy choice.

Convince me because I am second guessing my choice of Dunkirk a little

Vanity Fair’s review was good:

Get Out Is Thrilling, Terrifying, and Timely

Comedian Jordan Peele’s first foray as a film director is a biting, trenchant success.

www.vanityfair.com

Note: I really enjoyed Dunkirk a lot and can see why it is so well regarded

 

[KarmaPolice]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

I will never understand the bolded. I think that is a weak link of the movie along with Butch's girlfriend. Also if not for Butch/Mia, we don't get the fantastic Eric Stoltz scene.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

1994 should have been The Shawshank Redemption.

Tell me you don't always watch it when it's on tv vs Forrest Gump which I never watch over and over and over.

They blew this badly.

Pulp Fiction set a course for cinema for the next three decade.

I agree with this comment about Pulp Fiction.
But it's also so maddingly inconsistent in quality.
The Butch/Marsellus story is phenomenal.
The Mr. Wolf story is really good, too.
The mix up of time periods was very well done.
But the Vince/Mia story is weak.
And the last 10 minutes in the coffee shop is painfully bad...
That's why I called it overrated. It's very good but not the all time great it's made out to be.
I think that Jackie Brown and IB are both better.

I will never understand the bolded. I think that is a weak link of the movie along with Butch's girlfriend. Also if not for Butch/Mia, we don't get the fantastic Eric Stoltz scene.

It's very rewatchable for me. Keitel nails it and I like the humor.
Butch/Mia tries too hard to be cool and most of it is pretty dull IMO.