What is this Europe? We put our months before days here in Murica.1) Zack Martin, G, DAL - OUT (eff 05/09/21)
I think the list is just who has been officially ruled out. Zach Martin has been declared out.Please maybe adjust first post to include close contact versus having covid. There's a giant difference and the NFL isn't differentiating so we could benefit if people shared that here
I think the list is just who has been officially ruled out. Zach Martin has been declared out.
9/5 I’m sure. +10 days = :( for Cowboys, fans & FF investors.05/09 or 09/05?
Since his game is Thursday, that's why they didn't mince words. Just said out.He must be symptom-free for 48 hours and then test negative for COVID-19 twice, 24 hours apart. Highly unlikely.
That Bucs team is going to crush the NFL this year.It also = for the Bucs D/ST.
Is there a list of non vaccinated players anywhere?
The only concerns I have there are age and/or injury.barackdhouse said:That Bucs team is going to crush the NFL this year.
That was my guess, yes. And I imagine every team is using this as an example to pressure their guys to get the poke.Is it correct to assume Martin is not vaccinated given that he is already ruled out? Or is it because he is showing symptoms?
This year is gonna be worse than last year.
He's been ruled out, no? The game is 4 days away. If he were vax'd he could easily be back in action before the Thursday night game, so, yeah, I think it's safe to assume he's not vax'd.Is it correct to assume Martin is not vaccinated given that he is already ruled out? Or is it because he is showing symptoms?
This year is gonna be worse than last year.
Reddit says he is vaccinatedIs it correct to assume Martin is not vaccinated given that he is already ruled out? Or is it because he is showing symptoms?
This year is gonna be worse than last year.
reddit is a big place. Anything credible?Reddit says he is vaccinated
Reuters and Washington Post say he's fully vaccinated, tooreddit is a big place. Anything credible?
Counting today he could have been cleared by Wednesday if that were the case. .
Weird
Martin reportedly is vaccinated. Under the protocols developed by the league and the NFL Players Association, a vaccinated player who tests positive is eligible to rejoin his team if he remains symptom-free and has two negative tests 24 hours apart. In the meantime, that player must be in isolation.
Martin, 30, was placed on the reserve/COVID-19 list Sunday. He tested positive on Saturday after experiencing mild flu-like symptoms and taste loss, the Dallas Morning News reported.
"He's frustrated obviously," head coach Mike McCarthy said of Martin, who is fully vaccinated. "But hey, this is the world we live in right now."
Ah - thank you. That makes more sense.The key is he's not asymptomatic. He has symptoms. That's why he's out vaccine or no.
Insein said:What is this Europe? We put our months before days here in Murica.
Reddit says he is vaccinated
Is there a list of non vaccinated players anywhere?
No it’s not.Is it correct to assume Martin is not vaccinated given that he is already ruled out? Or is it because he is showing symptoms?
This year is gonna be worse than last year.
Do we know it’s going to be worse than last year?We don't know that.
I think from a games postponed or moved perspective it will be better. I do think it could be a stressful year for fantasy managers. This is a much more contagious version of what we had last year. Way less people are wearing masks. I think we are gonna see a reemergence of the flu to go along with Covid. We are once again at high levels of transmission headed into the winter months. Even vaccinated people can exhibit mild symptoms. We may have to monitor up to game time to see if our player is gonna go or not.No it’s not.
Sorry but I think they’re much better prepared this year. There was a large vocal segment that banged the drum all off-season that they’d never make it through the season last year and what a disaster it was to even try to play. They were wrong of course.I think from a games postponed or moved perspective it will be better. I do think it could be a stressful year for fantasy managers. This is a much more contagious version of what we had last year. Way less people are wearing masks. I think we are gonna see a reemergence of the flu to go along with Covid. We are once again at high levels of transmission headed into the winter months. Even vaccinated people can exhibit mild symptoms. We may have to monitor up to game time to see if our player is gonna go or not.
We don't know that either.Do we know it’s going to be worse than last year?
So I’m not allowed to respond to some one that says the opposite?We don't know that either.
I agree they are better prepared this year. On the other hand, things are way more back to normal in society compared to last year and we are dealing with a much more contagious variant.Sorry but I think they’re much better prepared this year. There was a large vocal segment that banged the drum all off-season that they’d never make it through the season last year and what a disaster it was to even try to play. They were wrong of course.
Not sure if you're aware or not, but academia is run by communists.That's a primary source my professors encourage us to use.
Exactly.This is a bit concerning.
I think Mort/league execs have it wrong though. The biggest concern about players going to their alma maters over the weekend and attending events isn’t that they’ll test positive today, it’s that vaccinated players will go through the week only getting tested once but may be within the incubation period. They could have a breakthrough infection and end up spreading it to a bunch of other players and suddenly everyone is testing positive next week and a bunch of guys end up missing 1 or 2 games.
Many players have children, or contact with family members who are under 18 and in school. Last year, mots kids did virtual. The risk of a positive COVID test is greater now with the delta variant surging in the USA. How frequently were players tested last year, compared to this year?Exactly.
They made their policy in a way to try to force players to get vaccinated but unfortunately being vaccinated does not diminish your ability to spread the virus any less. All players should have the same testing schedule and same enforcement policies if they're serious about this.
League wide supposedly 93% vaxxed, last year was 0% vaxxed, so obviously not remotely comparable that way. But the whole outside world is also different. Last season whole states were locked down, which certainly did reduce transmission rates even if it is arguable that the total costs may have outweighed the total benefits. Also no Delta variant last season, this season the virus appears to be far more communicable, even though not more deadly. And generally for NFL players, we care mostly about them catching it and missing a week or two, even though they are very unlikely to end up in the ICU even briefly.Sorry but I think they’re much better prepared this year. There was a large vocal segment that banged the drum all off-season that they’d never make it through the season last year and what a disaster it was to even try to play. They were wrong of course.
Many players have children, or contact with family members who are under 18 and in school. Last year, mots kids did virtual. The risk of a positive COVID test is greater now with the delta variant surging in the USA. How frequently were players tested last year, compared to this year?
Your response read as a statement and not an opinion. You are allowed any opinions you desire.So I’m not allowed to respond to some one that says the opposite?
This year most of the players are vaccinated and the teams and league are better prepared to deal with Covid. It’s illogical to think it will be worse this season - but sure of course it’s possible.
I'm not sure that is correct. Vaccinated people can get and spread COVID, but they usually are able to spread it for less time than unvaccinated people.They made their policy in a way to try to force players to get vaccinated but unfortunately being vaccinated does not diminish your ability to spread the virus any less
Don't want to turn this into the political forum thread but recent studies have shown that the difference is not nearly as much as they once believed.I'm not sure that is correct. Vaccinated people can get and spread COVID, but they usually are able to spread it for less time than unvaccinated people.
Don't want to turn this into the political forum thread but recent studies have shown that the difference is not nearly as much as they once believed.
Trying to keep this one for just the players that are out.
I know you don't, and neither do I.Don't want to turn this into the political forum thread
Hospitalization rate is dramatically higher for non vaxxed as well. Very few vaccinated people are requiring hospital care compared to non vaxxed.I agree with not wanting to politicize this topic. In the interests of sharing information, and in response to the bolded, I found an interesting article from nature.com that I link here, along with takeaways from the article.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1
- delta variant behaves differently than base covid (to your point). base covid has been shown to present limited transmission from vaccinated people.
- on the other hand, delta variant can be transmitted from vaccinated people, but studies are too limited to say anything more than "it can happen".
- using an abundance of caution, medical experts encourage the use of masks even by vaccinated to minimize transmission, although relative rates have not been quantified.
- three studies of less than 1,000 people were cited in the article leading to the above points.
- conversely, a UK study of over 100,000 people yielded the conclusion that:
The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms.
These findings — along with an increase in cases in younger people who have not yet received both jabs — underscore the effectiveness of double vaccination against Delta, Elliott says. “We think it’s really, really important to get as many people double vaccinated, and particularly those younger groups, as soon as possible.”
Ultimately, my only point here is that best available information indicates that there IS a difference in transmission rates. I understand that that leaves a lot of grey area in how the rights of individuals and organizations are balanced.
This is a silly argument. If vaccinated folks are significantly less likely (at least 80% per the data) to catch it IN THE FIRST PLACE, then even if (once sick) they spread it at a similar rate (which they don't, though the difference is likely relatively small), they're still going to, on the whole, SPREAD IT FAR FAR LESS THEN UNVACCINATED INDIVIDUALS.Don't want to turn this into the political forum thread but recent studies have shown that the difference is not nearly as much as they once believed.
Trying to keep this one for just the players that are out.