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The Portis Strategy (1 Viewer)

jdh79

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This is a strategy for teams that get stuck with the middle picks (6-10 slots) this year in a standard snake draft, which are by far the worst picks because you miss out on the elite RBs, and the tier of top tier WRs and RB2 type players is so deep and tightly bunched that you don't really have a chance to gain any ground on the teams picking at the beginning of round 1. If you follow the most common draft strategy and go RB-RB-WR, you are going to get creamed, because the teams getting Tomlinson, Jackson, etc. will have signifigantly better production at RB1, a comparable RB2 and an earlier chance to grab a WR1 if they follow that same format. Therefore, to succeed from a middle slot where the odds are stacked against you, you need to use a more innovative approach. Hence, the Portis strategy.

This is based on the fact that Clinton Portis has been going late in the 3rd round to early in the 4th round in most recent drafts/mock drafts that I have participated in. When healthy, he is an elite talent, and top 10 or possibly top 5 back. People are obviously scared by the lingering knee tendinitis that has held him out of training camp practices until recently and also by the presence of Betts, who emerged late last year and has the talent to start. The worry of injury and the dreaded RBBC is causing Portis' draft value to fall by the week. However, if you can plan your draft in such a way that you get both Portis and Betts, I think that there is enormous value potential there to allow an owner to overcome a terrible draft slot.

1. The Redskins have one of the best offensive lines and run blocking in the league and Al Saunders going into his second year as Offensive Coordinator, the system should continue to click and probably perform better than it did last year. The system did seem to start to click late in the year when Betts exploded the last 6 games of 2006 and was a top 5 fantasy RB for the stretch run.

2. The Redskins ran the ball 443 times last year. This is despite having a team that did not hold a lot of leads and was frequently playing from behind. In Gibbs' 3 years since coming out of retirement, they have ranked near the top of the NFL in rushing attempts each year. If anything, the number of rushing attempts should increase this year because they have 2 excellent backs and an inexperienced QB. If the Redskins improve at all, say to an 8-8 team instead of a 5-11 team, it's not unreasonable that the rushing attempts could rise to around 500.

4. Throughout his career, Gibbs has always shown a strong preference for avoiding RBBC and going with a single lead back that carries the load. If Portis is able to carry the load, there's every reason to believe he will get 75% of the carries. If he does not prove healthy, Betts has shown he is more than competent to carry the load and be a top 10 RB, meaning that you are totally covered.

5. On the off chance they do decide to go with a commitee approach, there will likely be enough rushing attempts to give both backs 250-300 carries, meaning that you have a downside of around 1100-1300 yards each.

Therefore, here is the draft strategy I would propose for a team using the Portis strategy:

Round 1: Draft the best RB left on the board.

Round 2: Ignore the RB position. Take an elite WR; in most drafts I have seen, either Steve Smith or Chad Johnson are available at this point, but you can go with another elite WR if they are both gone. If Peyton Manning does slide through to your 2nd round pick, take him here.

Round 3: Draft Portis. Every mock draft/league draft I have done in the last 3 weeks, he has been there until at least pick 3.5

Round 4: Draft the best remaining WR on your board. Typically one of Lee Evans, Marques Colston or Andre Johnson will be there by this pick. If for some reason Carson Palmer or Antonio Gates slid through to this point (highly unlikely), you can take one of them instead.

Round 5: Draft the best RB on your board. You don't want to go with Betts here, because the value of the handcuff does not overcome the lost potential of reaching for him at this point. Instead, you are better off covering yourself with a startable #3 RB both for bye weeks and in case Betts doesn't last until where you've planned to take him. Typically, I have seen some of the following slip in most drafts: Thomas Jones, Ahman Green, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Julius Jones

Round 6: Either go WR or QB. If one of the clear top 6 QBs falls to here (Manning, Palmer, Brady and Brees will almost certainly be gone, but I have seen Bulger and McNabb sometimes slide to this point), take him. Otherwise, go with the best remaining WR on your board. I have seen Calvin Johnson and Santana Moss slide to this point often, and both would be very nice values. Taking any non-Gates TE this early would be a major reach, because there is so little seperation between the 2-9 TEs.

Round 7: If all goes well, Betts will be here, and you take him. If not, don't panic and just take the best QB/WR/RB value as needed.

After 7 rounds, you would have a team that looks something like this:

RB: Willie Parker, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, Ladell Betts

WR: Steve Smith, Lee Evans, Calvin Johnson

Then go with the best available QB in round 8 (someone like Cutler, Young, Hasselbeck, Kitna, etc will fall to there), and finish with whatever remains of the top 9 TEs the following round, and you have a power house team. Portis/Betts gives you the equivalent production of a 2nd top 10 RB (sort of like having 2 top 10 picks), you get a great #3 RB, an elite WR and a second top 12 WR, and then are in position to add a top 10 QB and top 9 TE.

Championship!

 
Except when the team at 1.01 goes

Tomlinson

Elite WR

Portis

And your dreams are shattered because Portis' stock should not be in the 4th anymore.

 
Except when the team at 1.01 goesTomlinsonElite WRPortisAnd your dreams are shattered because Portis' stock should not be in the 4th anymore.
Bingo...better yet he selects Portis and then trades down into the late 3rd/early 4th to add Housh and Colsten.LTPortisColstenHoush...............Championship
 
Yes, it's possible that does wind up happening. However, even if it does, you haven't really lost anything because Steve Smith or Chad Johnson are hardly reaches in the middle of round 2.

 
Except when the team at 1.01 goesTomlinsonElite WRPortisAnd your dreams are shattered because Portis' stock should not be in the 4th anymore.
Agreed. If I were to land a draft position in the middle of the draft (5-8), I would not let Portis out of the 2nd round. THere is no way in hell I would let the team drafting LT and Jackson have a shot at matching Portis to one of those guys.
 
Yes, it's possible that does wind up happening. However, even if it does, you haven't really lost anything because Steve Smith or Chad Johnson are hardly reaches in the middle of round 2.
Other than the Championship. Go ahead and "crown their asses!" as Denny Green says.
 
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in my the gold league i was just drafting in... i just got portis at (4.01) to go along with a. green (5.12) a. peterson (6.01) and J. Lewis (7.12)... half the league was on autodraft... and cbs was autodrafting them to hell... people aren't going to be happy when they see their teams... don't know why people pay $40 and then don't show up

 
It really depends on your competition. Portis should not leave the 2nd round if you are in a shark league.

 
In one dynasty league I was in that drafted 2 weeks ago, I drafted as follows in the early rounds:

1.7 Maroney

2.6 SSmith

3.7 Portis

4.6 LEvans

5.7 McAllister

6.6 VYoung

7.7 Betts

If people are willing to let Portis slide to round 3 in a dynasty (in which he has even more value than a redraft since he is only 25 still), he should slide that far in a lot of redrafts. His updated ADP is now at 3.2, which is higher than what I have seen. I still suspect it is at around 4.1.

For those of you saying you wouldn't let Portis slide to the bottom of round 2, would you really advocate taking him over guys like MacGahee, Brown, Henry, Benson, etc as well as Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?

I still say it is something that you are going to want to try unless you want to hand the title over to the LT or SJax owner. You still would have the best available RB and an elite WR after 2 rounds and if Portis doesn't last to you, you can go for a different strategy at that point. The danger I think in taking a MacGahee/Brown/Benson in the middle of round 2 is that you already have a much weaker RB1 than the LT/SJax owners. Chances are that a back comparable to who you take right there will slide to the them as well, plus they will have the chance to take a WR before you do. Therefore, you wind up with a huge dropoff at RB1, basically equal production at RB2 and another drop off at WR1, which is a recipe for having it handed to you.

 
For those of you saying you wouldn't let Portis slide to the bottom of round 2, would you really advocate taking him over guys like MacGahee, Brown, Henry, Benson, etc as well as Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?
yes, yes, he'll be long gone, yes and yes...respectively.
 
For those of you saying you wouldn't let Portis slide to the bottom of round 2, would you really advocate taking him over guys like MacGahee, Brown, Henry, Benson, etc as well as Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?
I would easily take him above McGahee/Brown/Benson. His upside is higher and his downside is similar. Portis is in another league talent wise over any of these 3.Henry won't be available.I might take one of CJ or SS over him depending on who i drafted in round 1, but i think it's a toss up between Portis and the top ranked WR's.
 
It really depends on your competition. Portis should not leave the 2nd round if you are in a shark league.
I agree, talking to other owners in my league I don't see him being available in round 3 of my draft so I have to decide if he's worth a mid-2nd round pick.I would rather not have him slide down to the end of the 2nd and be the RB2 on a team with LT2 or SJax.
 
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For those of you saying you wouldn't let Portis slide to the bottom of round 2, would you really advocate taking him over guys like MacGahee, Brown, Henry, Benson, etc as well as Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?
yes, yes, he'll be long gone, yes and yes...respectively.
:sadbanana: Henry is long gone and Portis has more upside than every guy on that list.I know it is wrong to advocate defensive drafting, but sometimes it is necessary especially if it can also be a HUGE benefit to you... if Portis stays healthy for the year and the guy with LT or SJax jumped on him Late 2nd/Early 3rd, the league could be over before it even begins. You gotta keep that on your mind.LTPortisHarrisonbetter start than yourMaroney?Steve SmithRB2 coming in Round 3? Edge?Just compare those 2 teams and tell me who is championship bound... The time to swing the Portis steal was last week and the month prior. Now that the tendinitis has magically calmed down you really need to adjust your rankings (including dated ADPs) accordingly.
 
For those of you saying you wouldn't let Portis slide to the bottom of round 2, would you really advocate taking him over guys like MacGahee, Brown, Henry, Benson, etc as well as Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?
I would easily take him above McGahee/Brown/Benson. His upside is higher and his downside is similar. Portis is in another league talent wise over any of these 3.Henry won't be available.I might take one of CJ or SS over him depending on who i drafted in round 1, but i think it's a toss up between Portis and the top ranked WR's.
I'm not saying I would take Willis, Brown, or Benson over Portis but how can you say that his downside is similar? His downside is that he gets you nothing.
 
It depends on the nature of your league. The LT owner in one of my leagues (Keep 2 league) nabbed Portis at 3.12. I passed on him at 3.11 (I already have LJ and Gore) and drafted Housh instead. The LT owner grabbed Lee Evans at 4.01 and I snagged Roy Williams. This is a start 3WR league and the other owner's best receiver by far is Evans. I think in this case, he's screwed.

 
Benson I think the downside is that he is a complete bust and cannot handle the starting role. He is risky because he has had attitude issues and problems staying healthy as a backup. For MacGahee and Brown, I think last year's numbers are about their downside.

I do agree with the notion that if you think Portis won't slip you may want to take him in round 2. More than any year I can remember, there is such a massive advantage to having the 1 or 2 picks almost to the point that the owners picking in the middle of the draft need to hit a HR to have a chance. However, I did 2 mock drafts today and the strategy of getting him in rd 3 worked both times, so maybe in totally shark leagues it won't, but in typical leagues, the ADP has not really risen the past couple of days.

 
championship-bound advocate of the PORTIS STRATEGY here...

the key to the strategy is to handcuff betts in a midround of the draft. so even if Portis does have injury problems you still have a tremendous value in betts. i got betts at the end of the 7th round in my draft. if Portis were not in the mix at all - there is no doubt betts would be a 2nd-early 3rd round pick. both portis and betts have the potential to be top 5 backs so picking them in the 3rd and 7th rounds respectively provides tremendous value.

of course, the flip side is that portis could be listed as questionable (game time decision) for the majority of games or they could end up splitting carries, but i just think the potential value of these two is too much to pass up at that point in the draft. i think a lot of championships may be won based on this strategy.

picked 12th in a 12 team league.

starters- QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 FLEX (RB/WR), TE, K, DEF.

Quarterback-

Peyton Manning (2.01)

Steve McNair (15.12)

RB

Laurence Maroney (1.12)

Clinton Portis (3.12)

Adrian Peterson MIN (6.01)

Ladell Betts (7.12)

Chester Taylor (8.01)

Sammy Morris (16.01)

WR

Roy Williams (4.01)

Plaxico Burress (5.12)

DJ Hackett (10.01)

Brandon Jones (12.01)

David Boston (17.12)

Drew Carter (18.01)

TE

Jason Witten (9.12)

Ben Watson (13.12)

K

Adam Vinatieri (11.12)

D

Dallas Cowboys (14.01)

 
10 slot is tough for this, but I am going to try to pull it off.

Even better is if you can trade your first and fourth for another player's second and third. Let's say someone around the 4th spot wants to do this.

2.3 - Best RB, shouldn't be too different than who is available at 1.10

2.9 - Portis

3.4 - WR

3.10 - WR

 
the key to the strategy is to handcuff betts in a midround of the draft. so even if Portis does have injury problems you still have a tremendous value in betts. i got betts at the end of the 7th round in my draft. if Portis were not in the mix at all - there is no doubt betts would be a 2nd-early 3rd round pick. both portis and betts have the potential to be top 5 backs so picking them in the 3rd and 7th rounds respectively provides tremendous value

I'm 100% in favor of the Portis strategy, but I totally disagree with everything you said about Betts...how is using 2 of your first 7 picks on one RB spot good value? If you believe in Portis, screw Betts and get a player that can start or contribute during his bye week or in case he gets hurt. Why not take Portis in the 2nd/3rd like you mentioned and then snag another starter with no competition (A. Green, J. Lewis, etc...) in case the unthinkable happens and Portis gets hurt just enough to screw up both of their values?

How was that Dillon/Maroney combo lat year? I happened to have it in one of my leagues and it sucked because they alternated having big games and there is no rhyme or reason to who has the big game.

Do you really believe that Betts has top 5 potential over the course of a full 16 game schedule?

I'm of the opinion that his big 2nd half of the season and all 4 of his TDs were as much of a fluke as Portis's shoulder seperation on the tackle in pre-season. Bottom line, if you banking on Betts to carry you down the stretch again, you should probably just avoid Portis and draft someone else and save yourself the heartache.

 
Here's my Portis strategy in my 10 teamer (QB, 2RB,3WR,TE, K , D)

LT

CJ

Holt

Portis(40th)

AD

Driver

Romo

Young

Cooley

RD10 Turner

RD12 Betts

CHAMPIONSHIP! I love it when a plan comes together

 
It is tremendous value if you can get Portis/Betts for your 3rd and 7th. The reason is simply that whichever of them is starting will provide clear top 10 RB value, which gives you basically an extra 1st round pick. If someone offered you their 1st round pick for their 3rd and 7th round picks, how many here would decline that?

I do think if Betts was the starter over a 16 game schedule, he does have the ability to be a top 5 RB. He was a top 5 RB for the second half of last year (and the #10 RB overall for the year) despite not getting a starter level workload until week 12. He clearly has the talent, and the system and strong o-line is there, so numbers close to Portis' in 2005 are about what I'd expect if Betts started the full season.

 
Regardless of what you might think, Clinton's knee issues (although I'm not concerned) and Betts stellar play last year have swayed some people from taking Portis in the late 2nd or ealry 3rd round. I had a draft this past weekend - $150 startup 12 team Keep-6 league with 11 very solid owners & 1 hack. I drafted out of the 8 spot (serpentine draft). Start QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,WR,TE,K. No restrictions on the 6keepers - you can keep them as long as you want - NO losing draft pick the following year, etc.

1. Parker

2. S.Smith

3. Portis

4. Calvin Johnson

5. Deangelo Williams

6. Burress

 
Clinton Portis (3.12)Adrian Peterson MIN (6.01)
yea, nice league
i think a lot of people just followed cbs sportslines default list.... and i think their bot that drafts doesn't draft more than 2 RBs for the teams on autodraft until the rest of the roster fills out (i could be wrong but that's what seemed to happen; there's still 2 RBs starting who weren't drafted at all and this is a 12 team league; i tried to take them because i had 2 empty spots on my bench, but the system said i couldn't for some reason) i was more than happy to be drafting in a league full of bots... puts me closer to the measly $200
 
It is tremendous value if you can get Portis/Betts for your 3rd and 7th. The reason is simply that whichever of them is starting will provide clear top 10 RB value, which gives you basically an extra 1st round pick. If someone offered you their 1st round pick for their 3rd and 7th round picks, how many here would decline that?I do think if Betts was the starter over a 16 game schedule, he does have the ability to be a top 5 RB. He was a top 5 RB for the second half of last year (and the #10 RB overall for the year) despite not getting a starter level workload until week 12. He clearly has the talent, and the system and strong o-line is there, so numbers close to Portis' in 2005 are about what I'd expect if Betts started the full season.
Sure, if you were offering your 1st for my 3rd and 7th, I'd take it in a heartbeat, but IMO the value you gained by getting a top 10 RB in the 3rd round is negated by using that 7th rounder to back him up. What if you could use that 7th rounder for a guy like Vernon Davis, who has a ADP similar to Betts? When you put names to those picks, I wouldn't trade you Portis and VD straight up for Maroney as that 1st rounder. Maroney has question marks but gets a pass for some reason, but I bet Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk will combine for better numbers than Betts, who is a primary back up. We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion if you think Portis the guy, there are better options out there than a guy who is going to get maybe 10 touches per game (based on previous years where he had a range of 82-115 for the season). When you say you would expect numbers similar to Portis's 2005 totals, I think you have to mention that Portis scored 11 TDs that year. Betts has 11 TDs in his career. The difference and the reason Betts will remain a backup is the game-breaking ability that Portis brings to the table.
 
An Antsports league (10 team) I've been in a few years

my picks...

1.01 RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SDC 7

2.10 WR Chad Johnson, Cin 5

3.01 WR Terrell Owens, Dal 8

4.10 RB Clinton Portis, Was 4

5.01 QB Drew Brees, NO 4

6.10 RB Jamal Lewis, Cle 7

7.01 RB Marion III Barber, Dal 8

8.10 WR Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ 10

9.01 WR Bernard Berrian, Chi 9

10.10 QB Ben Roethlisberger, Pit 6

11.01 TE Ben Watson, NE 10

12.10 DT Minnesota Vikings 5

13.01 TE Bo Scaife, Ten 4

3 rounds left to go (will draft 1 K, 1 WR, 1 WR/RB/QB)

 
It is tremendous value if you can get Portis/Betts for your 3rd and 7th. The reason is simply that whichever of them is starting will provide clear top 10 RB value, which gives you basically an extra 1st round pick. If someone offered you their 1st round pick for their 3rd and 7th round picks, how many here would decline that?I do think if Betts was the starter over a 16 game schedule, he does have the ability to be a top 5 RB. He was a top 5 RB for the second half of last year (and the #10 RB overall for the year) despite not getting a starter level workload until week 12. He clearly has the talent, and the system and strong o-line is there, so numbers close to Portis' in 2005 are about what I'd expect if Betts started the full season.
Sure, if you were offering your 1st for my 3rd and 7th, I'd take it in a heartbeat, but IMO the value you gained by getting a top 10 RB in the 3rd round is negated by using that 7th rounder to back him up. What if you could use that 7th rounder for a guy like Vernon Davis, who has a ADP similar to Betts? When you put names to those picks, I wouldn't trade you Portis and VD straight up for Maroney as that 1st rounder. Maroney has question marks but gets a pass for some reason, but I bet Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk will combine for better numbers than Betts, who is a primary back up. We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion if you think Portis the guy, there are better options out there than a guy who is going to get maybe 10 touches per game (based on previous years where he had a range of 82-115 for the season). When you say you would expect numbers similar to Portis's 2005 totals, I think you have to mention that Portis scored 11 TDs that year. Betts has 11 TDs in his career. The difference and the reason Betts will remain a backup is the game-breaking ability that Portis brings to the table.
The value of completing the handcuff is actually greater than the sum of the stats. It's a fallacy to only look at numbers and projections, because there are plenty of situations in which you have to draft outside the numbers. For example, by FBG default projections, Manning is only projected to score 40 fewer pts than Brees, but in general Brees is going 2-3 rounds later. The reason is safety/confidence in projection, because Manning has put up those numbers 8+ times, and Brees only has once. Therefore, you have more confidence in predicting Manning to have a given set of numbers than Brees, which gives him more relative value than the numbers alone. The same holds true with knowing that you will lock down a running game that should have 475-500 carries this year.As far as your Vernon Davis example, I think that actually is not a good example, because taking Davis in round 7 IMO is a reach. The reason is after Gates is off the board, I see the difference between the next tier of Shockey/Heap/Cooley/Crumpler/Davis/Witten/Watson/Winslow to be neglible at best, and the guy from that group that winds up with the highest fantasy stats will probably be the guy that ends up with a flukey extra TD or 2. Taking Davis in round 7, when you can likely get Witten in round 9 IMO flies against value and there is far more value in having Betts if you have Portis than having Davis over Witten.
 
just coming out of my 2nd $40 team cbs draft of the night... portis went 4.07...

and one of the owners said 'BIG RISK!' when he was drafted...

 
We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion if you think Portis the guy, there are better options out there than a guy who is going to get maybe 10 touches per game (based on previous years where he had a range of 82-115 for the season). When you say you would expect numbers similar to Portis's 2005 totals, I think you have to mention that Portis scored 11 TDs that year. Betts has 11 TDs in his career. The difference and the reason Betts will remain a backup is the game-breaking ability that Portis brings to the table.
The other thing I wanted to add about Betts and his TDs is I think the lack of TDs last year when he was starting was an aberration caused because they were using TJ Duckett as a goal line back. The reason for that is because when Portis got hurt, in typical Redskin fashion, they overreacted and overpaid in draft picks to get Duckett and used him as their goal line specialist despite him not converting well at all from the stripe last year. This was mostly just to try and justify wasting 2 draft picks to get the guy. He's gone now, so if Portis is down again, Betts should be the goal line back. Also, 5-11 teams don't typically generate many goal line carries anyway.
 
For those in Antsports leagues, here is a barometer of his value.

Antsports $50 - 12 team redraft - start 2 RBs, 3 WRs, PPR

Just nabbed him at 4.3 as the 18th RB off the board.

 
Curious what the consensus auction strategy is for CPortis.

I am considering nominating LBetts very early in an attempt to freeze out other owners from bidding for CPortis. Have others tried this strategy in the past? It seems like I would pay a little extra for LBetts but likely would get CPortis at a discount later if others are unwilling to pay for him without his handcuff.

Is this being to cute? Or is it a good idea in general?

Thanks.

 
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I think while the possibility of getting Portis later in drafts decreases by the hour, the reasoning you display here is quite solid.

I would not be surprised to see a 275/175 type carry split load, but neither would I be suprised to see a 325/125 split either. That said, if Portis can bang out a 4.3-4.5 YPC plus be the goal line back (which he seems to have no competition for), you're talking about a 1200 yard season for Portis with a substantial role for Betts still.

The million dollar question is the health of Portis, but by in large, up until last year - he's been fairly durable. Either way, the WAS running game is one to own.

 
The problem LT owners will face is the desire to handcuff both LT (Turner) and Portis (Betts). Both backups are viewed as top backups in the league who will produce big numbers if needed. They're also being drafted as such. It's difficult to rationalize spending 2 of yout first 10 draft picks on insurance.

 
The problem LT owners will face is the desire to handcuff both LT (Turner) and Portis (Betts). Both backups are viewed as top backups in the league who will produce big numbers if needed. They're also being drafted as such. It's difficult to rationalize spending 2 of yout first 10 draft picks on insurance.
do you think so? outside of bye week coverage, i think i disagree. would you really rather have brandon jackson over a starting michael turner?
 
Therefore, here is the draft strategy I would propose for a team using the Portis strategy:Round 1: Draft the best RB left on the board.Round 2: Ignore the RB position. Take an elite WR; in most drafts I have seen, either Steve Smith or Chad Johnson are available at this point, but you can go with another elite WR if they are both gone. If Peyton Manning does slide through to your 2nd round pick, take him here.Round 3: Draft Portis. Every mock draft/league draft I have done in the last 3 weeks, he has been there until at least pick 3.5Round 4: Draft the best remaining WR on your board. Typically one of Lee Evans, Marques Colston or Andre Johnson will be there by this pick. If for some reason Carson Palmer or Antonio Gates slid through to this point (highly unlikely), you can take one of them instead.Round 5: Draft the best RB on your board. You don't want to go with Betts here, because the value of the handcuff does not overcome the lost potential of reaching for him at this point. Instead, you are better off covering yourself with a startable #3 RB both for bye weeks and in case Betts doesn't last until where you've planned to take him. Typically, I have seen some of the following slip in most drafts: Thomas Jones, Ahman Green, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Julius JonesRound 6: Either go WR or QB. If one of the clear top 6 QBs falls to here (Manning, Palmer, Brady and Brees will almost certainly be gone, but I have seen Bulger and McNabb sometimes slide to this point), take him. Otherwise, go with the best remaining WR on your board. I have seen Calvin Johnson and Santana Moss slide to this point often, and both would be very nice values. Taking any non-Gates TE this early would be a major reach, because there is so little seperation between the 2-9 TEs.Round 7: If all goes well, Betts will be here, and you take him. If not, don't panic and just take the best QB/WR/RB value as needed.After 7 rounds, you would have a team that looks something like this:RB: Willie Parker, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, Ladell BettsWR: Steve Smith, Lee Evans, Calvin JohnsonThen go with the best available QB in round 8 (someone like Cutler, Young, Hasselbeck, Kitna, etc will fall to there), and finish with whatever remains of the top 9 TEs the following round, and you have a power house team. Portis/Betts gives you the equivalent production of a 2nd top 10 RB (sort of like having 2 top 10 picks), you get a great #3 RB, an elite WR and a second top 12 WR, and then are in position to add a top 10 QB and top 9 TE.Championship!
I like your thought process above but actually drafted a similar team as the one you proposed (just in a different order) without HOPING that Portis would land to me. I personally think he's going to be a stud and took him much earlier than his ADP to ensure I got him because I'm in a Shark League. Take a look at my first 8 picks (they result in a similar team to the one you proposed, just without the handcuff) :1.10 Rudi Johnson - safe and steady2.03 Clinton Portis - no way he was going to last to late 3rd in my league and wanted him over the other safe & average RB2's3.10 Terrel Owens - still think he's a solid WR1, happy to have him over most RB2's4.03 Antonio Gates - debated between TJ Housh, Lee and Gates; probably should have gone WR but okay with it5.10 Jamal Lewis - like Jamal as an RB36.03 Calvin Johnson - upside, not too much of a reach in the 6th7.10 Chris Chambers - not thrilled, but best available8.03 Vince Young - should be a solid QB in my league's scoring system which rewards rushing more than TD's thrown
 
The problem LT owners will face is the desire to handcuff both LT (Turner) and Portis (Betts). Both backups are viewed as top backups in the league who will produce big numbers if needed. They're also being drafted as such. It's difficult to rationalize spending 2 of yout first 10 draft picks on insurance.
do you think so? outside of bye week coverage, i think i disagree. would you really rather have brandon jackson over a starting michael turner?
If we're talking about a redraft league, that requires you to gauge the likelihood of Turner starting. With LT's rather injury-free history, I'd say yes, give me Jackson. He's likely to get a lot more touches than Turner this season.
 
I TOO USE THE PORTIS THEORY AND AM A HAPPY MAN!

1. FWP

2. Captain Consistency (Harrison)

3. Mr. Portis

But then I went McNafro 4th and had to take S. Moss as my WR#2....so that kinda sucks. But Winslow at TE will be a monster this year.

 
The problem LT owners will face is the desire to handcuff both LT (Turner) and Portis (Betts). Both backups are viewed as top backups in the league who will produce big numbers if needed. They're also being drafted as such. It's difficult to rationalize spending 2 of yout first 10 draft picks on insurance.
do you think so? outside of bye week coverage, i think i disagree. would you really rather have brandon jackson over a starting michael turner?
If we're talking about a redraft league, that requires you to gauge the likelihood of Turner starting. With LT's rather injury-free history, I'd say yes, give me Jackson. He's likely to get a lot more touches than Turner this season.
let me rephrase the question. multiple choice. which RB1/RB2 line-up would you go with in each scenario?LT gets hurt. would you start...A) Turner/PortisB) Brandon Jackson/PortisPortis gets hurt. would you start...A) LT/BettsB) LT/Brandon JacksonSee what I mean? Are you really drafting Brandon Jackson because he might somehow be better than LT or Portis, or are you drafting him in case one of these guys go down? As you stated, Jackson is most definitely going get a lot more touches than Turner...I agree - but those touches will come when LT/Portis are in your line-up. Not sure what good that does you. I concede the bye week issue. No contest there. Otherwise, it's a no-brainer for me.
 
Am I the only one that thinks reaching a little bit for Portis is a good idea, because the WR that you get in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th all seem very similar?

I had a draft last weekend with a bunch of dudes from the huddle - 1RB, 2WR, 1Flex and here's how my draft started:

1. Parker

2. Edge

3. Portis

4. Walker

5. Driver

I took Portis in 3 as a bench player over WR's I could start. I'm perfectly ok, however, starting Walker/Driver, though admittedly they were at the ###-end of a tier and if they hadn't fallen, I'd have had a much different looking team. I like Housh (best available WR @ my 3rd round pick) better than Walker/Driver, but Walker/Driver are perfectly good starters, and I've got a potential top 5 RB in the 3rd round. I love options. Also, I can lose any of my RB's and still be absolutely fine. Basically, I have Portis/Driver instead of Housh/Ahman, and I'll take that all day and twice on Sunday when the RB listed is a backup. I don't need slow and steady from that spot.

Not that any of you give a crap, but here's how it went after that.

6. Shockey

7. Calvin

8. Hasselbeck

9. Foster

10. Vikings

11. Favre

12. Crayton

13. Battle

14. Tennessee (I'd been drinking tequilia, and I think that kicked in here)

15. Graham

16. Gotzkowski

QB - Hasselbeck, Favre

RB - Parker, Edge, Portis, Foster

WR - Walker, Driver, Calvin, Crayton, Battle

TE - Shockey, Graham

D - Minnesota, Tennesee

K - Gotzkowski

 
Draft last weekend

1.01 - LT

2.12 - Ronnie Brown

3.01 - Portis

4.12 - Colston

5.01 - Burress

6.12 - Betts

7.01 - Romo

8.12 - Turner

9.01 - Cotchery (this guy fell in my lap, but that's the great thing about WR as there always seems to be someone undervalued to nab)

10.12 - Watson

14.12 - Chatman

So now I only have 3 RB, but I have all backups and all in different bye weeks. So yea I think Portis/Betts is worth the gamble.

 
From all of the people posting above, it's pretty clear that in a lot of cases, Portis is still being devalued into the 3rd round. In a mock draft I just did, I spent the whole draft debating the issue with other drafters, most of which were arguing that guys like Benson, Jacobs, Edge, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, etc were worth more than Portis. I think a lot of people are still scared that it will be full blown RBBC and despite having both Portis and Betts you won't know who to start in a given week. Gibbs' history says otherwise, so I still think there is enormous value potential here.

 
Am I the only one that thinks reaching a little bit for Portis is a good idea, because the WR that you get in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th all seem very similar?I had a draft last weekend with a bunch of dudes from the huddle - 1RB, 2WR, 1Flex and here's how my draft started:1. Parker2. Edge3. Portis4. Walker5. DriverI took Portis in 3 as a bench player over WR's I could start. I'm perfectly ok, however, starting Walker/Driver, though admittedly they were at the ###-end of a tier and if they hadn't fallen, I'd have had a much different looking team. I like Housh (best available WR @ my 3rd round pick) better than Walker/Driver, but Walker/Driver are perfectly good starters, and I've got a potential top 5 RB in the 3rd round. I love options. Also, I can lose any of my RB's and still be absolutely fine. Basically, I have Portis/Driver instead of Housh/Ahman, and I'll take that all day and twice on Sunday when the RB listed is a backup. I don't need slow and steady from that spot.Not that any of you give a crap, but here's how it went after that.6. Shockey7. Calvin8. Hasselbeck9. Foster10. Vikings11. Favre12. Crayton13. Battle14. Tennessee (I'd been drinking tequilia, and I think that kicked in here)15. Graham 16. GotzkowskiQB - Hasselbeck, FavreRB - Parker, Edge, Portis, FosterWR - Walker, Driver, Calvin, Crayton, BattleTE - Shockey, GrahamD - Minnesota, TenneseeK - Gotzkowski
Which slot did you draft from?
 
This strat failed me :shrug:

1.05 Bush (PPR League)

2.08 Owens

3.05 A-Pete (Portis went at 3.02)

boo

 
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