The Ravens did not get screwed, possibly vice versa (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

I have to admit I wanted the Ravens to win last night.

I thought the refs were a little harsh on the Ravens but a guy I know who breaks down film called me today and said without a doubt in last night the Ravens got away with more clutching and grabbing of WRs than he has ever seen in a NFL game. Sometimes they even tackled Moss and Welker without the ball.

I then watched a little of the game again and without the emotion it did seem that the Ravens defensive players were holding, clutching and grabbing any NE WR, and althought they did get called a few times it seemed they also got away with quite a bit.

I have not heard this discussed as of yet.

Anyway it is in the books.

 

[greenline]

That's what a lot of the Patriots were saying after the game. Vrabel, Moss, and Brady all mentioned it went on for three and a half quarters.

 

[Koya]

I am a Ravens Fan (Giants first, Ravens my second team as I was born in Bmore and my father lives there) and never did I think the Ravens got screwed. The only questionable call I can remember that did not go their way was the last minute catch in the endzone as I THINK it MAY have been bobbled... but by definition if I THINK it MAY have been, that would not in any way warrant an overturn.

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

 

[treat88]

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

Exactly correct.Both for the TO and by rushing 3 on the last drive.As much as people want to look at the stripes for changing the outcome of this game, in actuality, it is squarely on the shoulders of Rex Ryan.All mental midget coaching staff week 13: HC Joe Gibbs, DC Rex Ryan, OC Sean Payton (I know he's a HC, but he fits here too nicely).

 

[parrot]

I have to admit I wanted the Ravens to win last night. I thought the refs were a little harsh on the Ravens but a guy I know who breaks down film called me today and said without a doubt in last night the Ravens got away with more clutching and grabbing of WRs than he has ever seen in a NFL game. Sometimes they even tackled Moss and Welker without the ball.I then watched a little of the game again and without the emotion it did seem that the Ravens defensive players were holding, clutching and grabbing any NE WR, and althought they did get called a few times it seemed they also got away with quite a bit.I have not heard this discussed as of yet.Anyway it is in the books.

The NFL Live guys showed a clip meant to show how the Ravens schemed to take Welker out of the game. What is showed was them clearly holding him. They just kind of murmurred "Yeah there might have been a little hold there but that stuff goes on...anyway this is how you take Welker out of the game!"

 

[parrot]

The only questionable call I can remember that did not go their way was the last minute catch in the endzone as I THINK it MAY have been bobbled... but by definition if I THINK it MAY have been, that would not in any way warrant an overturn.

As a Pats fan I'm going to agree with you there, and I would have been okay with it had it been overturned. It was questionable, but tough to overturn.

 

[freelander]

they grab before NE WR cvan push off

Hey , can't blame the Ravens...the refs have to set the tone for the game. If they aren't calling it, why should it stop?..same with Moss pushing off...

 

[Rogi]

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

And Bart Scott. I mentioned this in another thread but I think he's getting a free pass. The Ravens had a legitimate chance of getting within FG range with the time remaining but Bart Scott made that task nearly impossible when he eliminated the chance of a kickoff return.

 

[raidergil]

NFL is a copycat league so Ravens probably just watched film of how NE used to play Indy......

 

[slayer666]

Greg Anthony just stated it best on ESPN's "First Take"... Losers find ways to lose and winners find ways to win.

 

[TaxMan]

I thought on the 4th and 1 with 3:30 minutes left after Willis made a reception on 3rd down and was short, Ravens should have gone for it. With your season on the line, and their OLINE manhandling the Pats all night long, sometimes you gotta make those tough calls and win the game right there, and not let Brady another chance at a winning TD drive.

 

[Workhorse]

Whether or not you think the hold on Watson was ticky-tack, whether Gaffney hold complete control of the TD catch OR the refs may have erred in allowing the Ravens to get the timeout called by Rex Ryan...

The single most egregious officiating error last night was the lack of offensive PI on the final play of the game when Mason outright assaulted Asante Samuel for about a 5-count, allowing Mark Clayton to catch the ball at the 3 yard line.

 

[sho nuff]

Neither team got screwed...tough physical game...Ravens made mistakes at the wrong time on the last drive.

But they lost for this reason...

With the lead...they had 3 straight drives of only 3 plays (the INT after getting the ball in great field position to go up at least by 10)...and then two 3 and outs.

 

[The_Man]

I heard Rex Ryan on local radio this morning. Said he called the timeout because the Ravens only had one D lineman on the field -- they knew it was going to be a sneak and didn't think his lightweight lineup could stop a 1-yard sneak. He also pointed out that on the play after the timeout, his jumbo package of linemen stuff the play, only to have the Patriots benefit from their own false start.

He also said that McAlister was out there playing on one leg and that they had to use a 3-man rush a lot more than they wanted to, but that he couldn't leave McAlister out there by himself vs. Moss. I thought the Ravens played a great game, and I'm very disappointed they lost, but I think it's stupid to point fingers at Rex Ryan since it was his great coaching that had the time in a position to win.

Ryan also pointed out that last night was the first game all year that Rolle and McAlister were in the lineup together, and that the Ravens showed what their defense is capable of.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So, if the refs let the Ravens get away with holding all game long, and then finally decided to call the game differently on the most important play of the game, then that just taints the game even further. Seriously, the NFL needs full time referees. Too many games are being tainted by awful officiating.

NFL is a copycat league so Ravens probably just watched film of how NE used to play Indy......

 

[mad sweeney]

Whether or not you think the hold on Watson was ticky-tack, whether Gaffney hold complete control of the TD catch OR the refs may have erred in allowing the Ravens to get the timeout called by Rex Ryan...The single most egregious officiating error last night was the lack of offensive PI on the final play of the game when Mason outright assaulted Asante Samuel for about a 5-count, allowing Mark Clayton to catch the ball at the 3 yard line.

And that was AFTER he shoved a Pat defender in the back, knocking him down in the end zone.

 

[TheWick]

NFL is a copycat league so Ravens probably just watched film of how NE used to play Indy......

Watch a little tape of the superbowl against the Rams.

 

[jonessed]

Moss pushes off almost every play. On one of the TD passes he dropped he put the CB down with a full chuck to the shoulder as he made his turn. If the NFL wants want high scoring games then fine let the receivers run wild, but don't let them push off.

 

[jscout]

...The single most egregious officiating error last night was the lack of offensive PI on the final play of the game when Mason outright assaulted Asante Samuel for about a 5-count, allowing Mark Clayton to catch the ball at the 3 yard line.

And that was AFTER he shoved a Pat defender in the back, knocking him down in the end zone.

My guess is that on this play, they might have thrown a late flag had the outcome been different. Or not. In the end, if they had thrown it, the Pats would have declined the penalty anyway. I'm more surprised the Pats didn't send Moss out there to defend.

 

[Bill Lust]

So, if the refs let the Ravens get away with holding all game long, and then finally decided to call the game differently on the most important play of the game, then that just taints the game even further. Seriously, the NFL needs full time referees. Too many games are being tainted by awful officiating.

NFL is a copycat league so Ravens probably just watched film of how NE used to play Indy......

Yeah, and Indy went to the league and had the rule "enforced," which it was last night. Thanks, Indy!

 

[parrot]

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

And Bart Scott. I mentioned this in another thread but I think he's getting a free pass. The Ravens had a legitimate chance of getting within FG range with the time remaining but Bart Scott made that task nearly impossible when he eliminated the chance of a kickoff return.

It didn't get called by a Ravens player took his helmet off on the field after the Watson call. Should have been half the distance to the goal. A number of Ravens really lost their cool at the end.

 

[johnny_q]

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

Exactly correct.Both for the TO and by rushing 3 on the last drive.

As much as people want to look at the stripes for changing the outcome of this game, in actuality, it is squarely on the shoulders of Rex Ryan.

All mental midget coaching staff week 13: HC Joe Gibbs, DC Rex Ryan, OC Sean Payton (I know he's a HC, but he fits here too nicely).

I have a problem with both of these statements...1) I understand the TO screwed them. However, how many times does this happen throughout the year that a timeout is called just before the snap? All the time. While I know the DC shouldn't have been able to make the call, he saw something he didn't like and called a timeout. QB's do it all the time, head coaches do it all the time. Usually, we don't see the play ran after the timeout so we can't determine if it was a good timeout or not.

Also, I know that the play looks like it was stopped. However, there is no way to determine with 100% finality that one of the linemen or any other player didn't stop playing.

So, yes the TO screwed the Ravens, but I don't think Rex Ryan can be the scapegoat for this loss. He had his guys playing above their head against an "unstoppable force".

2) Again, I think I would have been blitzing Brady on that last drive. However, watch the highlights from the game. The back-to-back sacks that Ravens had on Brady in the 4th quarter (maybe late 3rd) came from a 3 man rush. The Ravens D was successful because they were able to bring pressure...but more importantly because they changed up the looks.

Again, who knows if they would have blitzed, maybe they would have stopped them...maybe they give up the big play. While I agree with blitzing and would have done it myself, you can't fault the Ravens for following their gameplan which worked for 58 minutes.

 

[North]

I thought on the 4th and 1 with 3:30 minutes left after Willis made a reception on 3rd down and was short, Ravens should have gone for it. With your season on the line, and their OLINE manhandling the Pats all night long, sometimes you gotta make those tough calls and win the game right there, and not let Brady another chance at a winning TD drive.

Except for the fact that the Ravnes season wasn't on the line. It's been long gone for about a month now!

 

[pecorino]

That's what a lot of the Patriots were saying after the game. Vrabel, Moss, and Brady all mentioned it went on for three and a half quarters.

if it goes on for three and a half quarters without being called a penalty, then it shouldn't later be called a penalty.

 

[switz]

I have to admit I wanted the Ravens to win last night. I thought the refs were a little harsh on the Ravens but a guy I know who breaks down film called me today and said without a doubt in last night the Ravens got away with more clutching and grabbing of WRs than he has ever seen in a NFL game. Sometimes they even tackled Moss and Welker without the ball.I then watched a little of the game again and without the emotion it did seem that the Ravens defensive players were holding, clutching and grabbing any NE WR, and althought they did get called a few times it seemed they also got away with quite a bit.I have not heard this discussed as of yet.Anyway it is in the books.

Ravens played textbook coverage... sorry. There was no more "clutching and grabbing" by the Ravens than by the Patriots.

 

[malice]

I think the refs balanced things out by not calling more holding penalties on the O-line. There was also a noticeable block in the back on Maroney's long catch and run.

All you can ask for is that it was a competitive game. The Ravens had two chances to put at least an additional FG on the board and they didn't. The Eagles might have laid out a plan to beat the Patriots, but they also showed that you have to play a nearly flawless 60 mins to FINISH the Patriots.

 

[Steeler]

Neither team got screwed...tough physical game...Ravens made mistakes at the wrong time on the last drive.But they lost for this reason...With the lead...they had 3 straight drives of only 3 plays (the INT after getting the ball in great field position to go up at least by 10)...and then two 3 and outs.

:whoosh:

 

[Steeler]

The Ravens may have been screwed, but it was by their own coach.

And Bart Scott. I mentioned this in another thread but I think he's getting a free pass. The Ravens had a legitimate chance of getting within FG range with the time remaining but Bart Scott made that task nearly impossible when he eliminated the chance of a kickoff return.

:whoosh:

 

[jonessed]

I think the refs balanced things out by not calling more holding penalties on the O-line. There was also a noticeable block in the back on Maroney's long catch and run.

All you can ask for is that it was a competitive game. The Ravens had two chances to put at least an additional FG on the board and they didn't. The Eagles might have laid out a plan to beat the Patriots, but they also showed that you have to play a nearly flawless 60 mins to FINISH the Patriots.

That was right out in the open too. It had to have been missed because it was pretty obvious to anyone that saw it.

 

[munchkin]

I heard Rex Ryan on local radio this morning. Said he called the timeout because the Ravens only had one D lineman on the field -- they knew it was going to be a sneak and didn't think his lightweight lineup could stop a 1-yard sneak. He also pointed out that on the play after the timeout, his jumbo package of linemen stuff the play, only to have the Patriots benefit from their own false start.He also said that McAlister was out there playing on one leg and that they had to use a 3-man rush a lot more than they wanted to, but that he couldn't leave McAlister out there by himself vs. Moss. I thought the Ravens played a great game, and I'm very disappointed they lost, but I think it's stupid to point fingers at Rex Ryan since it was his great coaching that had the time in a position to win.Ryan also pointed out that last night was the first game all year that Rolle and McAlister were in the lineup together, and that the Ravens showed what their defense is capable of.

The Pats were playing with only one d'back too. How about that Ellis Hobbs, OUCH...