What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The Religion Conundrum (how to talk with your kids) (1 Viewer)

Why is it important to others that he believes it?  I can think of a lot of reasons why I might not want my kid exposed to a story about a man being tortured to death.  
The Easter story they tell in a child's Sunday school class doesn't include video footage of the last moments of The Passion of the Christ.  Nor does it include details of torture.  The OP didn't include any details that his wife and/or grand parents felt that it was important that the child believes the Easter story.  He didn't make it sound like they wanted to force anything down his throat.  If you feel there is harm in your child hearing children's Bible stories, then I'd say don't expose your child to it.  

 
The Easter story they tell in a child's Sunday school class doesn't include video footage of the last moments of The Passion of the ChristNor does it include details of torture.  The OP didn't include any details that his wife and/or grand parents felt that it was important that the child believes the Easter story.  He didn't make it sound like they wanted to force anything down his throat.  If you feel there is harm in your child hearing children's Bible stories, then I'd say don't expose your child to it.  
:bs:

I strongly call BS on this statement.  

 
The Easter story they tell in a child's Sunday school class doesn't include video footage of the last moments of The Passion of the Christ.  Nor does it include details of torture.  The OP didn't include any details that his wife and/or grand parents felt that it was important that the child believes the Easter story.  He didn't make it sound like they wanted to force anything down his throat.  If you feel there is harm in your child hearing children's Bible stories, then I'd say don't expose your child to it.  
I  was told that he was nailed to a cross and stabbed in the side with a sword at a pretty young age.  The Sunday School I went to didn't teach me that he was tickled to death.

I just think it's weird that believers have such strong opinions about what non-believers should do in these situations.  We live in a culture where Christianity is pervasive.  Where its impossible to be exposed in any depth to art and culture without encountering those themes.  I couldn't prevent my kids from hearing it if I wanted to.  But that doesn't mean that I think its an innocuous story.  So my kids will get context from me to the extent it comes up.  

 
My ex wife is religious...I'm not...I have two grown kids (men) one  ended up religious one not so much...I let them believe whatever gave them peace.....Pretty simple really..

 
I  was told that he was nailed to a cross and stabbed in the side with a sword at a pretty young age.  The Sunday School I went to didn't teach me that he was tickled to death.

I just think it's weird that believers have such strong opinions about what non-believers should do in these situations.  We live in a culture where Christianity is pervasive.  Where its impossible to be exposed in any depth to art and culture without encountering those themes.  I couldn't prevent my kids from hearing it if I wanted to.  But that doesn't mean that I think its an innocuous story.  So my kids will get context from me to the extent it comes up.  
I didn't hear he was tickled to death either.  He was stabbed by a spear after he was already dead and that part is only found in the gospel of John.  But I get what you're saying.  Again, if you want to tell your kids about how harmful the story is, by all means do so.  It seems that it is important to you that children don't believe that the story is true.  You have disdain, I get it and I can see why that is the case for so many people. 

I asked the OP why he thought it was important that his child knows that the story isn't true.  If he feels the same way as you about Christianity and the inherent dangers of learning, then I'll have the answer to my question.  If he doesn't think it will be harmful for his child to hear the story, then I (if I were him) wouldn't sweat it if he hears it at his age.   

 
In a child's Sunday school class.  They don't include details of the type of torture depicted in some movie. 
May not be as graphic as a movie may portray, but crowns of thorns, being whipped, nailed to a cross, etc... it’s all there

 
May not be as graphic as a movie may portray, but crowns of thorns, being whipped, nailed to a cross, etc... it’s all there
All true.  The Bible uses words like scourge and flogged. If a child wants to know what all that means (and crown of thorns, etc.) then tell them... or don't.  The story isn't about total suffering.  It's about gaining victory over suffering and death.  Kids see suffering (graphic violence) in video games, TV and movies practically every day.  The hero of the passion story over comes all of that and rises to victory in the end.  That is the story I heard in children's Sunday school.  When I became older I was able to piece together what it all says and means, and I was able to come to my own conclusions about all of the stories in the Bible.  I'm glad my parents didn't shield me away and/or plant ideas in my head that the whole thing is pure evil and dangerous to society.  But to each his own. 

 
I didn't hear he was tickled to death either.  He was stabbed by a spear after he was already dead and that part is only found in the gospel of John.  But I get what you're saying.  Again, if you want to tell your kids about how harmful the story is, by all means do so.  It seems that it is important to you that children don't believe that the story is true.  You have disdain, I get it and I can see why that is the case for so many people. 

I asked the OP why he thought it was important that his child knows that the story isn't true.  If he feels the same way as you about Christianity and the inherent dangers of learning, then I'll have the answer to my question.  If he doesn't think it will be harmful for his child to hear the story, then I (if I were him) wouldn't sweat it if he hears it at his age.   
I don't have disdain for the story or Christianity.  I have already said that I expect my children to make up their own mind and that I have no objection to them receiving religious messages.  I'm not going to cut my Mother-in-Law out of their lives.  But implicit in that is that they are also exposed to critical viewpoints.  I'm not going to teach them to despise Christianity or Christians.  I'll teach them what I've been saying on this board for over a decade.  Whatever helps them be a good person is a good thing.   But that I don't personally believe that a story of blood sacrifice has a lot of relevance to that journey.  

 
I don't have disdain for the story or Christianity.  I have already said that I expect my children to make up their own mind and that I have no objection to them receiving religious messages.  I'm not going to cut my Mother-in-Law out of their lives.  But implicit in that is that they are also exposed to critical viewpoints.  I'm not going to teach them to despise Christianity or Christians.  I'll teach them what I've been saying on this board for over a decade.  Whatever helps them be a good person is a good thing.   But that I don't personally believe that a story of blood sacrifice has a lot of relevance to that journey.  
I totally agree with your approach.  The bolded... no truer words have been spoken.  Well said. 

 
I disagree.  Especially in today's internet age where information is so readily available.  I can't speak for everyone else, but my kids pretty much believe what they want to, and so did I when I was a kid.

I'll give a personal anecdote about my upbringing (and i'll apologize in advance for any misspellings)

My parents were both devout Catholics.  Both went to Catholic schools up to and including college.  Obviously they raised our family Catholic.  However, when I was 5-7 years old, I lived in the deep south.  Most all of my friends were Baptists.  I went to quite a few of their services/Sunday schools and had some questions while there.  When I was 8-13 years old, I lived in the Northeast.  Most all of my friends were either Jewish or Catholic.  As my friends were coming up on their Bar Mitzvah's, I had a number of opportunities to attend synagogue, as well as Seder's during holidays, etc...  I learned quite a few other traditions and i had questions.  When I went to college, I fell out of any religious services for years.  I spent a lot of time reading about Buddhism and meditation.  I had a lot of questions all through my life and found my own path/journey.

When I met my wife and we started talking about family, we had a talk and I mentioned that I felt that religion had once again become an important part of my life as it helped me cope with some of my fears/anxieties and that I wanted to bring up my kids in the Catholic faith as I re-entered it.  She was agreeable.  My eldest was not baptized, so we waited until she reached the age of consent and let her decide on her own.  We went through the Cathecumen process together and she was baptized at 13.  

At my dinner table, we pray as a family before meals.  I did not do this growing up, ever.  My wife's family did and they were Mormon.  I enjoy it.  My parents are C&E'ers now as far as attending mass.  I go just about every Sunday.  I enjoy it.  People change.  I've told my children they can believe what they want to believe and follow their own path. I just wanted to give them a peek into one faith and one's teachings.  I don't feel there is anything negative conveyed and the underlying message to me seems to try to live a good life and do unto others as they would do unto you.  If they change their faiths and raise their children otherwise, so be it.  

I guess my long winded message is that there should be no religion conundrum.  Speak to your children about your beliefs and why you do so.  If they want to learn about something else, they can easily do so.  You don't need to bash religion if you are not religious at all.  I don't bash anyone outside my faith, my political belief's, etc... I simply listen to what they have to say and form my own opinions.  That is what I want my children to do too.  They ask me plenty of questions that I cannot answer about anything from religion to calculus.  I try to explore the answers to their questions together, and every day I learn something new (for instance just a few months ago, i learned that Jesus had sisters and brothers, I had no clue).
So your parents were Catholic, you were raised Catholic, and after some thinking and a spiritual journey, you are Catholic.

I’m not sure what you are disagreeing with :shrug:

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top