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The Russia Investigation: Trump Admits He'd Conspire Again, If Given Opportunity (1 Viewer)

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Since Joe prefers that we start new threads instead of changing the thread title of existing threads, I thought I'd honor his request.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/us/politics/trump-russia-fbi.html

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Or way better is start a new thread. If you want to discuss https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/us/politics/trump-russia-fbi.html start a thread and do that. But I'd rather not be regularly changing the title of the current thread.
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I think he'd need to conspire the first time to conspire again.  
In the eyes of many...he did when his campaign knowingly took all of those meetings with Russia.  That there is not enough evidence to show criminal conspiracy does not mean it all didn’t happen.

 
This is a disgusting thread title and o e that misleads. No surprise from the OP .

Please change this tout de suit
Nothing about it is misleading or disgusting.

for the side that loves Trump because he isn’t PC, some of you all seem to take issues with trivial things wanting everyone else to be more PC

 
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>>TRUMP: I’ll tell you what: I’ve seen a lot of things over my life. I don’t think in my whole life I’ve ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don’t call the FBI.<<

 
>>STEPHANOPOULOS: Al Gore got a stolen briefing book. He called the FBI.

TRUMP: Well, that’s different. A stolen briefing book. This isn’t a (inaudible). This is somebody who said “We have information on your opponent.” Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break, life doesn’t work that way.

STEPHANOPOULOS: The FBI Director says that’s what should happen.

TRUMP: The FBI Director is wrong.<<

 
>>The meeting, it also sounds to me, I don’t know anything about that meeting...<<<

Anyone believe this crap?

 
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>>But I heard about my son, who is a great young man, going to jail over a meeting where somebody said I have information on Hillary Clinton.<<

- Same Guy who says he knows nothing about the meeting.

 
>>STEPHANOPOULOS: Your campaign this time around, if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI?

TRUMP: I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen, I don’t, there’s nothing wrong with listening.<<

 
>>STEPHANOPOULOS: You want that kind of interference in our elections?

TRUMP: It’s not an interference, they have information. I think I’d take it.<<

 
ren hoek said:
I think he'd need to conspire the first time to conspire again.  
Well what did happen then? Let’s see.

Flynn was convicted for lying about his interactions with Kislyak. Flynn said he told Trump about his conversations about Russian sanctions but couldn’t remember specifics.

Manafort was convicted for lying about his interactions with Kilimnik. Trump didn’t fire Manafort until the NYT ran a story about him. Manafort couldn’t remember telling Trump about them.

Cohen was convicted for lying about Trump’s business deals with the Kremlin, and Cohen testified that he lied at Trump’s and his lawyers’ behest.

Stone has been indicted for lying about his interactions with GRU persona Guccifer 2.0 & WL, and Cohen testified that he saw Stone talking to Assange or someone in touch with Assange with Trump in the room.

Don Jr would not testify that about whom he did or didn’t tell about the Trump Tower meeting, Trump wouldn’t testify to it either, and Cohen and Gates testified that Junior told Trump and the core campaign leadership team.

 
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sho nuff said:
In the eyes of many...he did when his campaign knowingly took all of those meetings with Russia.  That there is not enough evidence to show criminal conspiracy does not mean it all didn’t happen.
A Trump many, a CNN many, a PSF many...how many are still out there flipping Russia burgers exactly?

 
A Trump many, a CNN many, a PSF many...how many are still out there flipping Russia burgers exactly?
Roger Stone apparently. By his own court filings Barr’s DOJ is pursuing communications involving phishing Podesta, Russian data transfers to wikileaks, Stone Communications with WikiLeaks. Barr’s doing that not Mueller if you believe in Org charts.

 
TRUMP: It’s not an interference, they have information.
He's right.  :shrug:  

Just because it helps somebody doesn't mean it's not true.  We shouldn't be afraid of information.  

That's what's so mindboggling and scary about this.  Voters want to know less information about their candidates, and bury their head in the sand lest the big boogeyman influences our pristine elections.  

 
He's right.  :shrug:  

Just because it helps somebody doesn't mean it's not true.  We shouldn't be afraid of information.  

That's what's so mindboggling and scary about this.  Voters want to know less information about their candidates, and bury their head in the sand lest the big boogeyman influences our pristine elections.  
Or voters want legitimate information gained by legitimate means.  Not by breaking laws and working with a foreign government to try and get that information.

 
He's right.  :shrug:  

Just because it helps somebody doesn't mean it's not true.  We shouldn't be afraid of information.  

That's what's so mindboggling and scary about this.  Voters want to know less information about their candidates, and bury their head in the sand lest the big boogeyman influences our pristine elections.  
The offer of information came from the Kremlin, not Karl Rove’s consulting LLC.

 
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Dow Chemical, Goldman Sachs, Raytheon, Saudi Arabia and Israel can keep influencing them though.  👍
Within the confines of the law, yes.  Foreign governments are not allowed to.  How is Israel doing it in a manner close to What’s Russia did (Andrew o say what they did because it’s established fact).?

 
Donald Trump offered to share cyber security information and ‘what we know’ with the Kremlin. That happened.

He said Vladimir Putin was ‘fine’. Ex-KGB, former communist, Putin used to have a career spying on private conversations and mail of East Germans, and then wHo knows what happened to people with radical motives. That was his job.

Now any normal, decent conservative would call this #%#* what he is, but Trump has their  :censored: in his  :censored: .

 
Like Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele Dossier?
I’m glad you asked that, John.

Foreign entity? Nope.

Official campaign activity? Yep.

Kept it secret or shared it with the FBI? Gave it to the FBI. Twice.

Kept it secret or shared it? Why they gave it to Lindsey f Graham, he said give it to the FBI. They gave it to McCain he gave it to the FBI. Eventually they published the whole damn thing.

Received it or paid for it? Paid for it and a law firm did so at that. So received thing of value? Nope.

Ally or adversary? Ally.

Friend of America or her enemies? Why Steele is blocked from entering Russia because he was the chief anti Russian spy hunter for YEARS. So friend.

 
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I’m glad you asked that, John.

Foreign entity? Nope.

Official campaign activity? Yep.

Kept it secret or shared it with the FBI? Gave it to the FBI. Twice.

Kept it secret or shared it? Why they gave it to Lindsey f Graham, he said give it to the FBI. They gave it to McCain he gave it to the FBI. Eventually they published the whole damn thing.

Received it or paid for it? Paid for it and a law firm did so at that. So received thing of value? Nope.

Ally or adversary? Ally.

Friend of America or her enemies? Why Steele is blocked from entering Russia because he was the chief anti Russian spy hunter for YEARS. So friend.
Yeah. This notion that it’s all the same is just so ridiculous.

 
I’m glad you asked that, John.

Foreign entity? Nope.

Official campaign activity? Yep.

Kept it secret or shared it with the FBI? Gave it to the FBI.

Kept it secret or shared it? Why they gave it to Lindsey f Graham, he said give it to the FBI. They gave it to McCain he gave it to the FBI. Eventually they published the whole damn thing.

Received it or paid for it? Paid for it and a law firm did so at that. So received thing of value? Nope.

Ally or adversary? Ally.

Friend of America or her enemies? Why Steele is blocked from entering Russia because he was the chief anti Russian spy hunter for YEARS. So friend.
Yup, exactly like Russia offering information. Exactly.

 
Saints, you have the patience of, well... you know.

The problem with what you're doing is that a) you'll never change anyone's mind and b) instead of convincing neutral observers not to buy into the BS, you're elevating utterly ridiculous arguments by engaging with them at all.

Whackadoodle Jonh Birchers have been around forever.  Everyone used to give them side eye and find a different way to get where they were going.  Now?  Well meaning people have made them seem respectable.  I mean... there must be something to all of this if SID, an obviously smart and well-intentioned guy, thinks enough of these arguments to give them the time of day and debate them.

 
I’m glad you asked that, John.

Foreign entity? Nope.

Official campaign activity? Yep.

Kept it secret or shared it with the FBI? Gave it to the FBI. Twice.

Kept it secret or shared it? Why they gave it to Lindsey f Graham, he said give it to the FBI. They gave it to McCain he gave it to the FBI. Eventually they published the whole damn thing.

Received it or paid for it? Paid for it and a law firm did so at that. So received thing of value? Nope.

Ally or adversary? Ally.

Friend of America or her enemies? Why Steele is blocked from entering Russia because he was the chief anti Russian spy hunter for YEARS. So friend.
It’s a crap document. 

 
The other thread is there.  It just wasn’t allowed to have the title after complaints. 
So now Joe says we have to start a new thread for every time there is breaking news on the Russia inquiry since the title of that thread can't be updated. Okie Dokie Pokie, we will do that...

 
Like Hillary and the DNC paying for the Steele Dossier?
I’m glad you asked that, John.

Foreign entity? Nope.

Official campaign activity? Yep.

Kept it secret or shared it with the FBI? Gave it to the FBI. Twice.

Kept it secret or shared it? Why they gave it to Lindsey f Graham, he said give it to the FBI. They gave it to McCain he gave it to the FBI. Eventually they published the whole damn thing.

Received it or paid for it? Paid for it and a law firm did so at that. So received thing of value? Nope.

Ally or adversary? Ally.

Friend of America or her enemies? Why Steele is blocked from entering Russia because he was the chief anti Russian spy hunter for YEARS. So friend.
:goodposting:   :lol:  

 
>>TRUMP: I’ll tell you what: I’ve seen a lot of things over my life. I don’t think in my whole life I’ve ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don’t call the FBI.<<
Trump called the FBI in the '80s when he was trying to buy a casino. Basically, he was afraid of the mob so he thought he could get the feds to do his dirty work for him -- if he could get the FBI to clear the mob out of Atlantic City, then Trump could buy a casino for a rock-bottom price.

The FBI listened to Trump's proposal but decided not to open a case.

And now you know why Trump hates the FBI.

Conflict of interest, indeed.

 
He's right.  :shrug:  

Just because it helps somebody doesn't mean it's not true.  We shouldn't be afraid of information.  

That's what's so mindboggling and scary about this.  Voters want to know less information about their candidates, and bury their head in the sand lest the big boogeyman influences our pristine elections.  
Yet, an investigation to get information is called "treasonous" and an "attempted coup". And, when a candidate refuses to provide the same information about tax returns that every other candidate for the last 50 years has provided, his supporters bury their heads in the sand lest the information influence the same elections. Go figure.

 
People that understand the difference between conspiring and criminal conspiracy.
By all means keep flipping away.  If you haven’t figured out that only the Democrat base, the main stream media and a few never Trump folks have any interest in this still AFTER the Mueller report I don’t know what to tell you.  

 

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