The Savior for QB-needy fantasy teams is... (1 Viewer)

[Richard_the_Vampire]

I believe that for fantasy teams beset by QB injuries and/or ineffectiveness, Kerry Collins is your savior. I believe he could put up QB10 numbers the rest of the way. Hear me out.

(1) Today, profootballtalk posted the following item:

Signs point towards Kerry Collins starting against Dolphins

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 12, 2010, 3:26 PM EST

Titans coach Jeff Fisher says Vince Young will be a “gametime decision” on Sunday against the Dolphins, but Fisher spoke louder with the practice time he handed out on Friday.

Kerry Collins took the majority of the first team reps and got some extra practice time in with Randy Moss after the session.

“[Vince] took half the reps [Thursday] and we just backed him down today,” Fisher said.

Young is recovering from an ankle injury, and you get the sense from Fisher that he’s more than happy to start Collins until Young is 100%. Young is officially listed as questionable. The Titans are as healthy as they’ve been all year, with defensive tackle Tony Brown probable. Kenny Britt is out.

Collins is going to need to be at his best against a hungry Dolphins team, that boasts a fired up new starter in Chad Pennington.

We all know that Jeff fisher isn't the biggest believer in Vince Young. He may well believe that, with the addition of Randy Moss, Kerry Collins represents his best chance to win. With a good start this week, I think he keeps the job for the remainder of the season, or at least until he starts playing badly.(2) Kerry Collins had one of his best statistical seasons with the Oakland Raiders in 2005, when his top receiver was :drumroll: Randy Moss. He passed for 3759 yards and 20 TDs (12 INTs) in fifteen games. He was sixth in the league in passing yardage and tied for tenth in passing TDs. For fantasy, I think he was around QB8 or QB9 for the year.

(3) Over the next seven weeks, Kerry Collins faces the following defenses

[*]week 10 @Dolphins (13th against the pass)

[*]week 11 v. Redskins (30th against the pass)

[*]week 12 @ Texans (32nd against the pass)

[*]week 13 v. Jaguars (28th against the pass)

[*]week 14 v. Colts (7th against the pass)

[*]week 15 v. Texans (32nd against the pass)

[*]week 16 @ Chiefs (21st against the pass)

For the foregoing reasons, I don't think it's a stretch to consider Kerry Collins a borderline fantasy starter if Jeff Fisher keeps him on the field. He could be great in a QBBC the rest of the way.

 

[TommyGilmore]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

And the fact that in the next six weeks he has four games against bottom 5 pass defenses.I'm only claiming that he could be a QB10 the rest of the way. That's Tom Brady or Eli Manning numbers, nothing spectacular.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You know what....

I believe this.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

What if Collins and Moss connect this Sunday and they win?Does Collins really get pulled for VY down the stretch?

 

[treat88]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.

If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

 

[basher]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

2005 is a long time ago when you are talking about a 38 year old QB.

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

2005 is a long time ago when you are talking about a 38 year old QB.

Collins played well as recently as 2008, although his fantasy numbers that year were not impressive. With Chris Johnson slowed a bit this year and with Randy Moss in the fold, there is a good chance they will open the offense up a bit down the stretch.

 

[treat88]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

I'm not basing my analysis off of fantasy stats produced. I'm basing it off of the quality of NFL QB Young is vs. Collins. He is simply better in every facet of the game.Young has made tremendous strides as a QB this season. His deep accuracy and decision making are vastly improved. He threatens the D at every level.He gives the Titans the best chance to win football games.He will absolutely reclaim the starting job as soon as he is healthy regardless of Collins performance this week (assuming he does get the start).

 

[Sammy Traveller]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

And the fact that in the next six weeks he has four games against bottom 5 pass defenses.I'm only claiming that he could be a QB10 the rest of the way. That's Tom Brady or Eli Manning numbers, nothing spectacular.

That is assuming Vince Young is not recovered from his injury.And to those who say Young never had great statistical numbers, he never had Moss. As other posters pointed out, Collins had a very good fantasy season in 2005 when he had Moss with the Raiders. It's a stretch to say Collins will be QB10 for the rest of the season when VY is the clear starter barring injury.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

What if Collins and Moss connect this Sunday and they win?Does Collins really get pulled for VY down the stretch?

Yes, Collins does get pulled. VY is the better QB when healthy and when he is, he'll be the starter. If Collins gets the nod, it'll be because VY is injured, not because he is the better Qb.

 

[Bri]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

Yep but those are hard throws.He didn't understand the huge value in throwing a rainbow and letting the WR go get it til his time with Collins. There is a definite student pupil thing here. KC throws a nice looking deep ball, always has. Some of his to Britt during that 200 week were poor throws (or routes) that Britt was still able to get. Young's matured as a QB no doubt but the more he doesn't use his rocket arm, the more I like his play. They simply look hard to catch sometimes.

 

[Bri]

Fisher won't commit to Collins publicly. I really doubt that.

This article seems to me like factually, they rested Young's ankle and the author took it from there.

We're still back to people thinking Jeff Fisher's offense isn't Jeff Fisher's offense. Doesn't matter who is OC was, they ran alot and then ran some more. I'm tempted to think great things too, but anything except Moss' TD value seems real shaky to predict.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Collins played well as recently as 2008

So did JaMarcus Russell.

 

[CrossEyed]

I believe he could put up QB10 numbers the rest of the way.

I'll be sure to pick him up in my start 10 QB league.

 

[HustleBlood]

did someone say Shaun Hill

 

[babydemon90]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

that big game Britt had was with Collins....

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

I don't know how you can say this. Young has never really produced quality fantasy numbers for his WRs over an extended period of time. (Sure, ther ehave been big games like Britt a few weeks back, but there hasn't been consistent output over a consecutive stretch of games.) Collins made Toomer startable for a while in New York. In 2005, Jerry Porter and Randy Moss were startable.

that big game Britt had was with Collins....

Proves my point.

 

[39407]

So, basically you're basing your entire theory on the fact that Collins played with Moss 5 years ago. OK

What if Collins and Moss connect this Sunday and they win?Does Collins really get pulled for VY down the stretch?

Yes, Collins does get pulled. VY is the better QB when healthy and when he is, he'll be the starter. If Collins gets the nod, it'll be because VY is injured, not because he is the better Qb.

 

[Traders2001]

You must be kidding ...

Collins is there for this week end and thats it , even if he throws for 500yds and 5 TD's to Moss ..

 

[Bri]

that big game Britt had was with Collins....

Seriously people need to forget that game when analyzing.I can't say it enough. It was one of the worst CBs have ever played possibly in NFL history. I mean if he was all alone, the nerves of it being so easy because no one was covering him would have made it harder. He ran bad routes and ...Reid went from one CB to another and was quite displeased to put it mildly. Consequently both felt Reid's wrath as I believe one CB was cut and the other benched. It's not like this is the middle of training camp and they can just roll some new CBs in there. A team only has so much depth in-season and Reid felt that was necessary. Imagine a team making two WR moves to try and put it in perspective.There are highlights on the web at NFL.com and prob youtube. Watch Britt and see if you see a precise cut, a fancy shake n bake move, a...it is rather shocking and I think some people might need to see it for themselves.

 

[habsfan]

I agree with some of what OP said in terms of potential fantasy saviour, just strike out "Collins" and substitute "Young". I picked him up to back up Schaub and if he catches fire, he's going in my line-up.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I agree. This is a sneaky QB play this week.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Derek Anderson vs seattle

 

[karmarooster]

LOL did anyone see the replay of Collins going deep to Moss on 3rd down that draw PI?

He throws a duck.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Vampires suck.

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

I'm resurrecting this thread.

Kerry Collins is the man for your QB-needy team.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I'm resurrecting this thread.Kerry Collins is the man for your QB-needy team.

So you're saying it's not Brent Favre ?

 

[habsfan]

I agree with some of what OP said in terms of potential fantasy saviour, just strike out "Collins" and substitute "Young". I picked him up to back up Schaub and if he catches fire, he's going in my line-up.

Okay... maybe "not so much"... :/

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I'm resurrecting this thread.

Kerry Collins is the man for your QB-needy team.

Maybe in the playoffs. He's expected to miss "a few more weeks": http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/11...elp-titans-now/Titan's next 3 games: Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis.

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

I'm resurrecting this thread.

Kerry Collins is the man for your QB-needy team.

Maybe in the playoffs. He's expected to miss "a few more weeks": http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/11...elp-titans-now/Titan's next 3 games: Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis.

Not sure that I believe this. He was dressed as the emergency QB for the Redskins game. Methinks the Titans are playing head games.

 

[montanagold]

Young throws a far better, more accurate deep ball than Collins.If they want to exploit what Moss brings to the team to it's full potential they will get Young back in there as quickly as his ankle allows.

Hahaha...... Um no. Never has. He may have a strong arm, but Kerry has a pedigree too. The passing offense in Tennessee has always picked up with him at the helm. It was his team won over from a poor VY until injury opened the door for VY. Kerry's a good slinger.