The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[rascal]

Latest email from Rep Lankford:

Dear Central Oklahomans,

Thank you to the hundreds of people who have called and emailed my Oklahoma and Washington, DC offices this week to express their views on how to fund the federal government. While the House and Senate are clearly at an impasse on how to proceed, it is clear there are things Americans can agree upon.

There is bipartisan agreement in the House on things we can fund while we work on our differences with the President’s healthcare law. As of this evening, the House has passed five “clean” spending bills in the past twenty-four hours to fund: the Department of Veterans Affairs and their important services, our national parks and monuments, the National Institutes of Health, the District of Columbia and the training programs for our Naitonal Gaurdsmen and women. Our veterans, like our active-duty military, deserve to have access to the services we promised them, regardless of conversations taking place in Washington. The Senate needs to act on these bills to get these services up and running.

On Friday, the House will take up eleven other funding bills to continue to re-open as much of the federal government as possible to minimize any further economic hardship.

As we work through these smaller bills, I continue to push Secretary Hagel and the Department of Defense to implement the “Pay Our Military Act” within the definition of the law. Last week, the House and Senate unanimously agreed on a funding bill for our military and DOD civilians, the “Pay Our Military Act,” which the President signed into law on Monday night. Our military personnel and their civilian counterparts should be back at their duty station now with full pay. There is absolutely no reason the Administration should hold up pay for ANY of our military personnel or ANY of our hardworking DOD civilians. The two-page bill directly reflects our commitment to those who serve our nation in the armed services. Defense Secretary Hagel’s choice to delay action on the law and interpret it in a narrow way when the law was written in the broadest possible terms is incredibly frustrating.

I will continue to work with my colleagues to protect Oklahomans from the harmful consequences of the Affordable Care Act while we also restore funding for our federal employees and the important services that Americans depend on. Please continue to pray for our nation and its leaders. I will do my best to keep you up to date on any new developments in the days ahead.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

Obamacare isn't intended for people who get health care via their employers.

I hear this all the fookin' time. You don't get it, do you? People WON'T be getting healthcare thru their employers in the near future so ####ting bricks when looking at the ObamaCare prices (whether you have insurance now or not) is absolutely the right thing to do. In the future, this will apply to all.

 

[rascal]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

$556 a month for health care is about 25% more than I am currently paying for my families health care plan thru my employeer provided plan (BCBS)

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

Obamacare isn't intended for people who get health care via their employers.

I hear this all the fookin' time. You don't get it, do you? People WON'T be getting healthcare thru their employers in the near future so ####ting bricks when looking at the ObamaCare prices (whether you have insurance now or not) is absolutely the right thing to do. In the future, this will apply to all.

It would be really awesome if that happened, but I'm not counting on it anytime soon.

 

[timschochet]

Letter to Congressman Todd Rokita (Tea Party member) from an Iraq war veteran:

Dear Rep. Rokita,

I guess you all are celebrating shutting down the federal government because you all couldn’t lie to a win in the last election. Yeah, I know you Republicans all have more seats in the House. But if I were you, I would be embarrassed to know that my party lost congressionally nationwide by 1.7 million votes and yet you try to act like you all have a mission to do something other than govern. Gerrymandering is the worst way to win an election. But you all only care about power by any means necessary so you all will act like you all can’t see that a majority of Americans reject your policies. Reminds me of the movie “Remember the Titans.” They couldn’t win against diversity on the football field so some powerbrokers had to run to the officials to try to get a victory for the non-diverse team. Remember, one of the coaches saw what was happening and stood up against those officials whom he personally knew and challenged them to do the right thing and call the game fair. That coach didn’t care about being called a name. He stood up for what was right. And as they say, the rest was history. And as many have said before, cheaters never win. By-the-way, who would want to win a game, an election or a contest by rigging the system? Republicons...that’s who.

So as you prepare to send your precious children off to school today, I had to remind my not so precious daughter last night that because of this government shut down, my VA determination has just got pushed back maybe several more months. That means that my promise to finally give her a much deserved birthday party will once again have to wait as a majority of the House of Representatives whom shut down the government haven’t made the sacrifices that she and her parents have made. We only make the pay we're scheduled to make according to the military pay scale, and we're not supported by some billionaire cause. Heck, she’s only 10 soon to be 11-years-old and she has endured both her parents away from her while we were training stateside and serving in a combat zone in Iraq for a combined 30 months. Have your children gone through such at an early age, Congressman? Do they know how it feels to wonder if mommy or daddy is going to die in Iraq? She worried about such and even asked those questions to both of her parents, because we were both over there serving. Yeah…I know, you don’t care, Congressman…what else is new?

So to the hell with Veterans. Let’s shut the government down because we Republicans didn’t get our way and we know that we don’t have to worry about losing our seats because we've rigged the system and our sugar-daddies will keep our pockets phat for trying to make this President look weak. I guess your precious kids don’t have to worry about lunch money, or food being on the table, or basic living essentials such as water, sewer, electric, and personal hygiene items. Mine does. And so do the other Veterans and federal workers who don’t have sugar-daddies to bail us out. And guess what, we don’t want them doing that because that would be considered selling your soul for a few pieces of silver.

Congressman Rokita, I hope that Veteran whom you did a photo op with several weeks ago has some money set aside for this shutdown. Man, you had your smiling photo op…sent it out on social media…then you turned around and stabbed Veterans in the back - including the one you took the picture with - by voting the way you did to shut down the government. That’s what I called being a chicken hawk. By law, you are entitled to your $174K salary. But since I don’t agree with it, maybe I can petition the courts that even though it’s law that you don't continue to keep getting paid while others suffer, just because I don’t like that law. Yeah, maybe that’s what we should do.

So as you collect your checks from the taxpayers in your district, that you rightfully won through gerrymandering, you’ll also pick up a phat check from some Heritage foundation and take your family out for dinner…a family trip…a nice birthday party…you know, all the things you can do with blood money. Enjoy it because you have really earned it. And for those in your safe gerrymandered district, I hope they are happy now.

Obviously, those in your district also don’t care about the Veterans who need the VA opened. Some Veterans have been waiting several years to have treatment for injuries suffered while in a combat zone, while on active duty. People who only wanted to serve this great Country of ours will now have to wait even longer...including me. So when I have to apply for food stamps, don’t single me out as being lazy…I’m injured. When I need assistance paying my mortgage, don’t tell me to get a job…I’m injured from serving my country. When I ask you for a loan to pay for living essential items don’t send me away with nothing because you decided to follow the money and not be concerned about my family and my not-so precious child by voting with those crazy, never served in the military, money-hungry tea party nuts. Do you know of any churches that can help us out during this shutdown? I didn’t think so. But what needs to happen is for someone to run against you because you don’t have any conviction to do the right thing…i.e., like that coach. You're afraid to have a real fight for voters…but your super safe red seat might be in for a change as diversity is really hitting a lot of the suburban areas in your gerrymandered district. Still, party alliance is all that matters to you. And anyone on your side can vote that way. Nothing hard about voting that way when it comes to being a Republicon. But being a good public servant puts all Americans first for the good of the USA.

In closing, I thank you for allowing my VA determination to be stalled while you all celebrate your big win, while hurting this Country (again). Your masters are very proud. But let me get this straight…a majority of the American people voted for the POTUS not once but twice. The ACA billed passed both houses of Congress and it was signed by the POTUS and became law. The last federal election was about repeal and replace. Not only did the POTUS win big electorally and nationwide, but your side lost seats in both houses. And the ACA is already funded and functioning and can’t be stopped by this charade. And now, you all say that the American people don’t like “Obamacare.” Now what the media should be asking you is what do you all mean by the phrase “the American People?” I can understand you all saying “our constituents” or “47 percent of the American people don’t like Obamacare.” But, a majority of “the American people” spoke loudly and voted for Democrats at the last federal election. That same majority has not changed one iota. So, I’m beginning to think that this phrase “the American People” as your side loves to say (even though no majority went your way) is just code for White Republican voters only. Am I on to something?

John, OIF Veteran

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[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Obamacare isn't intended for people who get health care via their employers.

I hear this all the fookin' time. You don't get it, do you? People WON'T be getting healthcare thru their employers in the near future so ####ting bricks when looking at the ObamaCare prices (whether you have insurance now or not) is absolutely the right thing to do. In the future, this will apply to all.

Another long term right wing policy goal achieved by ObamaCare. (Assuming you prove correct, of course.)

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Bill Walsh Principle

And her peers would be Harry Reid and Barack Obama?

Technically the original quote uses "competition" and not "peers". I was throwing you guys a Boehner.

 

[Slapdash]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

 

[rascal]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

Are you implying my salary will go up by the amount they no longer pay? If so, I have some outstanding ocean front property for sale.

 

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Awesome

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

No ####

 

[John Bender]

Tim

can you stop posting stupid long articles? I'm trying to read the thread on my phone and it takes to long to scroll past them every time you do. Just post the link please.

Thanks gb.

 

[John Bender]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

No ####

working in Mass during Romney care was a similar moment of "Holy ####" I remember being 25 years old with mounds of college and credit card debt. My company called us into a room to let us know we'd be selling and all but 2 employees would be laid off.

And then... Immediately came the news about how we were required to carry health care. And it would be about 200 bucks a month (for me, the accountant left in tears because her husband was a contractor and she needed to carry it for their family of 5). Or we could take the fine. I remember leaving scared ####less as I was living paycheck to paycheck.

Wound up paying the fines. I had no job and no money.

It's great for most, and really sucks for some.

 

[timschochet]

Tim

can you stop posting stupid long articles? I'm trying to read the thread on my phone and it takes to long to scroll past them every time you do. Just post the link please.

Thanks gb.

If you didn't scroll past them, you might realize they weren't stupid at all. But for the time being, I have no more to offer, so no worries.

 

[matttyl]

It's great for most, and really sucks for some.

I think you got that backwards. It really sucks for most so that it can be great for some.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Awesome

 

[timschochet]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

 

[matttyl]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

I agree with all that. They just want to be able to say "I told you so" in 5-10 years (if that) when this whole thing falls apart.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Rubio is a real wildcard. 40% of people still don't even know who he is. If he runs for president, and that number drops into the teens, the percentage of latinos that support him could spike and he could defeat the democrat easily. Or it might not move at all and he could lose badly. The GOP nominating a latino is uncharted waters so its all speculation.

If you reverse the Romney-Obama splits on the Hispanic votes Romney still loses; that would mean that even with 70% of the Hispanics going for Romney he still loses. The highest Hispanic vote (recent times) for a Republican is George Bush with 44%. The Hispanic vote is not the answer.

...

For example... Ohio is a crucial state to win. Ohio's population has probably about a 3% Hispanic make up. And this past election, if every single Hispanic person voted and voted for Romney, he still would have lost Ohio.

...

Try 17 percent...Link

 

[timschochet]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

I agree with all that. They just want to be able to say "I told you so" in 5-10 years (if that) when this whole thing falls apart.

Well, part of what I'm arguing is that the whole thing will never fall apart. I predict there will be one change after another, each one involving more and more government into the marketplace, until the system will basically be interchangeable with single payer (though we'll never call it that.) Republicans in the future will be forced, not to criticize Obamacare, but to claim they support it, the way they do with Social Security and Medicare.

 

[timschochet]

Rubio is a real wildcard. 40% of people still don't even know who he is. If he runs for president, and that number drops into the teens, the percentage of latinos that support him could spike and he could defeat the democrat easily. Or it might not move at all and he could lose badly. The GOP nominating a latino is uncharted waters so its all speculation.

If you reverse the Romney-Obama splits on the Hispanic votes Romney still loses; that would mean that even with 70% of the Hispanics going for Romney he still loses. The highest Hispanic vote (recent times) for a Republican is George Bush with 44%. The Hispanic vote is not the answer.

...

For example... Ohio is a crucial state to win. Ohio's population has probably about a 3% Hispanic make up. And this past election, if every single Hispanic person voted and voted for Romney, he still would have lost Ohio.

...

Try 17 percent...Link

Ohio isn't the point anyhow. It's Florida. Obama won Florida twice. Usually whoever wins Florida wins the election (or at least has a huge advantage.) It used to be that 90% of Cuban-Americans in Florida voted for the GOP. But the younger generation is more independent and that percentage is now something like 60-40. The idea behind Rubio is that he could shore up those numbers, being a young Cuban himself.

But I don't think it matters anyway. Even though Rubio has been plenty conservative, he has alienated the Tea Party over the illegal immigration issue. Too conservative to win the moderate, establishment vote, too pro-immigrant to win Tea Party support. I don't think he has much of a chance.

 

[badmojo1006]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

I agree with all that. They just want to be able to say "I told you so" in 5-10 years (if that) when this whole thing falls apart.

So, their whole reasoning is to say "Neener, Neener, Neener" in 5 years.

Real mature

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Letter to Congressman Todd Rokita (Tea Party member) from an Iraq war veteran:

Dear Rep. Rokita,

...

I went to high school with this guy. Hilarious some of the conversations on Facebook amongst old high school friends since he got lampooned on the Daily Show.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Rubio is a real wildcard. 40% of people still don't even know who he is. If he runs for president, and that number drops into the teens, the percentage of latinos that support him could spike and he could defeat the democrat easily. Or it might not move at all and he could lose badly. The GOP nominating a latino is uncharted waters so its all speculation.

If you reverse the Romney-Obama splits on the Hispanic votes Romney still loses; that would mean that even with 70% of the Hispanics going for Romney he still loses. The highest Hispanic vote (recent times) for a Republican is George Bush with 44%. The Hispanic vote is not the answer.

...

For example... Ohio is a crucial state to win. Ohio's population has probably about a 3% Hispanic make up. And this past election, if every single Hispanic person voted and voted for Romney, he still would have lost Ohio.

...

Try 17 percent...Link

Ohio isn't the point anyhow. It's Florida. Obama won Florida twice. Usually whoever wins Florida wins the election (or at least has a huge advantage.) It used to be that 90% of Cuban-Americans in Florida voted for the GOP. But the younger generation is more independent and that percentage is now something like 60-40. The idea behind Rubio is that he could shore up those numbers, being a young Cuban himself.

But I don't think it matters anyway. Even though Rubio has been plenty conservative, he has alienated the Tea Party over the illegal immigration issue. Too conservative to win the moderate, establishment vote, too pro-immigrant to win Tea Party support. I don't think he has much of a chance.

Not really my point either...I was just reading the first page of this, and the guy was talking out of his ###. It didn't take a lot to check the facts to see how much he was off.

As far as FL is concerned, it is a big state, and not since the Clinton win in 1992 has a winner of POTUS not carried the state. Anybody would be foolish not to fight hard for FL. You've got no argument from me on that. 2016 is a long way off. A lot can change, and even Nate Silver would not be able to predict what happens then based on the current data. He relies on up to date information and not information several years out. Forecasting that far in advance is really difficult.

 

[timschochet]

Stuart Varney, Fox Business News Host:

VARNEY: This is President Obama's shutdown. He is responsible for shutting this thing down; he's taken an entirely political decision here. No, I don't think they should get their back pay, frankly, I really don't. I'm sick and tired of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy living on our backs, and taking money out of us, a lot more money than most of us earn in the private sector, then getting a furlough, and then getting their money back at the end of it. Sorry, I'm not for that. I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Stuart Varney, Fox Business News Host:

VARNEY: I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do.

Most of them just hate "other" people.

 

[cstu]

Rubio is a real wildcard. 40% of people still don't even know who he is. If he runs for president, and that number drops into the teens, the percentage of latinos that support him could spike and he could defeat the democrat easily. Or it might not move at all and he could lose badly. The GOP nominating a latino is uncharted waters so its all speculation.

More well known: Rubio's Fresh Mexican Grill or Marco Rubio?

 

[cstu]

I typed random nancy pelosi into google, here is the interview. Seriously, she's what you guys are hanging your hats on?

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/nancy-pelosi-interview-16389109

To be fair...I think they are saying she's better than Johnny B. In the grand scheme of things, that's not saying much. Not the highest of bars being set there.

Actually, those supporting Pelosi are likely doing so b/c of her accomplishments. Democrats have been trying to do health care reform for 50-60 years. She's the SOTH who actually got the votes, and got it done.

People can say what they want about her and her politics but she got the job done.

 

[17seconds]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

It was 3X for me, but if you take what my employer pays + what I pay then it is less than 1/2. It said it was about $11K a year and my employer and I pay $24K. I pay $325/mo for medical.

I didn't look at gold what I have now is better than silver.

 

[snogger]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

I agree with all that. They just want to be able to say "I told you so" in 5-10 years (if that) when this whole thing falls apart.

So, their whole reasoning is to say "Neener, Neener, Neener" in 5 years.

Real mature

New to politics are you??

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

mattyl, I agree with almost all of your criticisms regarding Obamacare. Like you, I wish it never had been signed into law in the first place.

But the disconnect is that conservatives seem to think that they can get rid of it now. They can't. As problems occur, they are going to inevitably be resolved with MORE government involvement, not less. That's part of what makes this struggle so exasperating to watch. The Republicans just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

I agree with all that. They just want to be able to say "I told you so" in 5-10 years (if that) when this whole thing falls apart.

Three days in for the exchanges and all of the "bad stuff" is peripheral (not enough bandwidth, too easy to create a look a like site to steal IDs, etc.) to the point of their existence. The flood of people that brought the servers down is all we need to know that there is a demand for this out there. At this point we don't know what that demand is, but historically the threshold for political power is rather low, around 15%. At that point there is no "falling apart" no matter how many flaws in design and/or execution. When the masses crashed servers on Tuesday those desperately trying to end ObamaCare suffered the final blow. And they know it. Now they need to grow up and work to fix those flaws that exists because they refused to bring their perspective into those final weeks.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

Phew! For a minute there I thought all of those single mothers might have to dip into their savings for a 2 week long furlough!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Interesting that Boehner is allowing this to come up for a vote. Sounds like the usual suspects on the right will oppose it, but most Republicans and all Dems will vote for it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

Phew! For a minute there I thought all of those single mothers might have to dip into their savings for a 2 week long furlough!

#### you and all your fellow turds.

 

[Slapdash]

Stuart Varney, Fox Business News Host:

VARNEY: This is President Obama's shutdown. He is responsible for shutting this thing down; he's taken an entirely political decision here. No, I don't think they should get their back pay, frankly, I really don't. I'm sick and tired of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy living on our backs, and taking money out of us, a lot more money than most of us earn in the private sector, then getting a furlough, and then getting their money back at the end of it. Sorry, I'm not for that. I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do.

Hard to find a bigger douchecannoe on TV than this dude.

 

[Slapdash]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

Phew! For a minute there I thought all of those single mothers might have to dip into their savings for a 2 week long furlough!

#### you and all your fellow turds.

This post deserves a favorite star.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So have any of the libtards started calling Boner a terrorist yet?

White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer likened House Republicans to suicide bombers, kidnappers and arsonists in a single interview on Thursday. "What we're not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest,"

I knew it... awesome

Not only is the metaphor of taking hostages accurate for what's been going on, but it's been used by people on both sides to describe it.The most colorful metaphor I read was a California Republican rep calling his fellow Republicans lemmings with suicide vests. And that the day after the shutdown began the Republican party would be Long Duk Dong at the end of 16 Candles. They'd wake up, having passed out, in their car crashed on the front lawn.

It's not the metaphor which is ridiculous. It's how people who are supposed to be adults are acting. The are the same people who were trying to argue two years ago that there would be no consequence to the US defaulting on its debt. Basically, they have no place ordering off the adult menu, much less be in a position to influence national policy. And the current stand-off is hostage taking, pure and simple.

needs more references to terrorists please

 

[roadkill1292]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

Obamacare isn't intended for people who get health care via their employers.

I hear this all the fookin' time. You don't get it, do you? People WON'T be getting healthcare thru their employers in the near future so ####ting bricks when looking at the ObamaCare prices (whether you have insurance now or not) is absolutely the right thing to do. In the future, this will apply to all.

You seem to be hysterically frightened by something that is routinely managed by most of the industrialized world. Perhaps you should seek professional help.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Stuart Varney, Fox Business News Host:

VARNEY: This is President Obama's shutdown. He is responsible for shutting this thing down; he's taken an entirely political decision here. No, I don't think they should get their back pay, frankly, I really don't. I'm sick and tired of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy living on our backs, and taking money out of us, a lot more money than most of us earn in the private sector, then getting a furlough, and then getting their money back at the end of it. Sorry, I'm not for that. I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do.

Idiots forget that government workers are actually people.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Idiots forget that government workers are actually people.

They don't forget. They just think it's fun seeing damage inflicted on people different than them.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Our firm has a client that was buying a house and getting a USDA mortgage. That is up in the air at this point as the USDA funding has been frozen and to be honest, they usually run out of money for mortgages by November anyway and there is no guarantee that when the shutdown ends that the funds will be there anyway.

Older gentlemen was getting VA housing and/or housing assistance and that is stopped at the moment.

So far, those are the only two things that we have seen on the ground level here. No shootouts yet. But we do have a beach close. That helps calm you down.

 

[Sweet J]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

Wait, so I'm in the office, holding down the fort. All my co-workers who have been furloughed will get back pay? And I'm in the office for what, exactly? Ugh.

I mean, I'm happy to do it, and I believe in my office's mission, but . . . I wouldn't mind a free paid vacation.

And the crap of it is that I NEVER take vacation. Not because I don't have the leave (I generally end up donating leave at end of year), but because there's too much work to do. It would have been nice to take a forced vacation.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I hope you don't mind me referring to you as Mr. Sheik. I don't really know you well enough to call you The Iron.

You can call me whatever you like. Sheik is what most call me, but I'm OK with anything.

 

[Joe T]

So have any of the libtards started calling Boner a terrorist yet?

White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer likened House Republicans to suicide bombers, kidnappers and arsonists in a single interview on Thursday. "What we're not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest,"

I knew it... awesome

Not only is the metaphor of taking hostages accurate for what's been going on, but it's been used by people on both sides to describe it.The most colorful metaphor I read was a California Republican rep calling his fellow Republicans lemmings with suicide vests. And that the day after the shutdown began the Republican party would be Long Duk Dong at the end of 16 Candles. They'd wake up, having passed out, in their car crashed on the front lawn.

It's not the metaphor which is ridiculous. It's how people who are supposed to be adults are acting. The are the same people who were trying to argue two years ago that there would be no consequence to the US defaulting on its debt. Basically, they have no place ordering off the adult menu, much less be in a position to influence national policy. And the current stand-off is hostage taking, pure and simple.

No. What they are doing is not the equivalent of suicide bombers. That metaphor is horrific and inappropriate. And it's not "okay because both sides do it."

What they are doing is 100% political and no where near going out in the streets and bombing random people violently. You should know better.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

And the crap of it is that I NEVER take vacation. Not because I don't have the leave (I generally end up donating leave at end of year), but because there's too much work to do.

If you would stop doing so much work, somebody else would do it. Or it wouldn't get done. Either way, take a ####### vacation, dummy.

 

[Don Quixote]

So the House is scrambling today in advance of a general agreement to pass the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act ?

So sorry guys! Those nasty, evil federal employees, those wasteful non essential ones seem to be going to be given the security that this is fight will ultimately just be a paid vacation for them no matter how long it lasts. Who are we going to take our frustrations out on next? (Other than maybe the essential federal employees.)

Wait, so I'm in the office, holding down the fort. All my co-workers who have been furloughed will get back pay? And I'm in the office for what, exactly? Ugh.

I mean, I'm happy to do it, and I believe in my office's mission, but . . . I wouldn't mind a free paid vacation.

And the crap of it is that I NEVER take vacation. Not because I don't have the leave (I generally end up donating leave at end of year), but because there's too much work to do. It would have been nice to take a forced vacation.

I would just take a vacation. The furlough is not really an ideal vacation. I've joked about my wife doing online shopping while she's furloughed, but there's not much else that she can do. She can't use it to visit family or friends out of town because she might be called back into work. So, all that's left to do is hang out at home, and she's kind of bored. I guess she's done some stuff around the house, but I wouldn't say she's having fun with the furlough.

 

[timschochet]

So have any of the libtards started calling Boner a terrorist yet?

White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer likened House Republicans to suicide bombers, kidnappers and arsonists in a single interview on Thursday. "What we're not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest,"

I knew it... awesome

Not only is the metaphor of taking hostages accurate for what's been going on, but it's been used by people on both sides to describe it.The most colorful metaphor I read was a California Republican rep calling his fellow Republicans lemmings with suicide vests. And that the day after the shutdown began the Republican party would be Long Duk Dong at the end of 16 Candles. They'd wake up, having passed out, in their car crashed on the front lawn.

It's not the metaphor which is ridiculous. It's how people who are supposed to be adults are acting. The are the same people who were trying to argue two years ago that there would be no consequence to the US defaulting on its debt. Basically, they have no place ordering off the adult menu, much less be in a position to influence national policy. And the current stand-off is hostage taking, pure and simple.

No. What they are doing is not the equivalent of suicide bombers. That metaphor is horrific and inappropriate. And it's not "okay because both sides do it."

What they are doing is 100% political and no where near going out in the streets and bombing random people violently. You should know better.

It's pretty rare that I agree with JoeT, but I do on this.

I actually think it's OK, though a bit extreme, to use the phrase "hostage-taking" in reference to the shutdown. It is NOT okay to use phrases like "bombs strapped to chest", etc. That's rhetoric that we really don't need coming from the White House.

 

[Sweet J]

And the crap of it is that I NEVER take vacation. Not because I don't have the leave (I generally end up donating leave at end of year), but because there's too much work to do.

If you would stop doing so much work, somebody else would do it. Or it wouldn't get done. Either way, take a ####### vacation, dummy.

Well said. I'm a little uptight about a little too many things. Maybe it is time for a break.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Glad to hear federal employess will get paid regardless of whether or not the healthcare act is getting funded, but isn't that what the Red team wanted to begin with? To pay for everything except the healthcare act?