Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
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These types of comments have no place on these boards. Disgusting. It's a game. Only a game.
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The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
BB, his life is 10x better than yours. Just saying.
I mean, I suck as a RB also, but my life is just fine.
He is bad. BAD.
I mean, I suck as a RB also, but my life is just fine.
He is bad. BAD.
TheLurkerBelow
Footballguy
I have him on one of my keeper teams and at this point I'd be satisfied if he just got enough volume work to accumulate RB4 stats. Oh how my expectations have fallen...
But, they don't want Luck to be the main weapon in the offense, it's all about the running game.so far, 10 throws vs 1 run
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Don't get Cecil started. He LOVES Pep Hamilton!But, they don't want Luck to be the main weapon in the offense, it's all about the running game.so far, 10 throws vs 1 run
georg013
Footballguy
He had two nice runs from what I saw. His line didn't do him any favors. I think the Colts have to pass to open things up on the ground. He looked solid in pass protection and I think people in these forums hate him more than the Colts coaching staff. He is far from a RB1. But on the runs that he gained solid yards on, he made a few defenders miss. Just needs to get the wheels turning. If you are on the fence, don't buy. Problem solved. If you are behind the kid, you ride this thing out into the regular season. On another note, there are many high profile running backs who haven't produced shyte in the preseason. It's the regular season that matters to me.
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cstu
Footballguy
I missed the 8 yard run but saw the two 5 yards runs. He looked ok on those but his stutter stepping doesn't work for a back his size without a lot of explosion. He needs to get the ball, make a quick decision and hit the hole hard. Until he gets that I don't see him doing well.
3quinox
Footballguy
Was he doing this in Cleveland? Is it just a mental thing of confidence that made him lose how he should run?
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
except the 2013 regular season
dude, they passed 10x to their first run --- how many times do they need to pass to set richardson up 20/1?
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RBM
Footballguy
Yup, those runs were still ugly with the dancing. I just can't understand why this guy can't explode anymore. It's one of the strangest things I've ever seen. 100% mental too, which is the real frustrating part.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
ffcalc has him at 11th and every time richardson touches the ball it goes up a round
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Are we back to blaming the Colts OL again?
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Has anybody noticed his production is significantly better when Luck is under center v. offset formation?
JFS171
Footballguy
I've been behind Trent for a long time, and own him in my dynasty after paying what felt like a fortune for a "top 5" dynasty RB at the time. Trade didn't pan out as poorly as it could have in terms of what I gave up, but at this point it's completely a sunk cost.
Has anyone sold recently in dynasty? I'm a contender and need production from the rb2 slot... Just not sure this clown can hack it right now. I really, really thought he'd realize he needed to get lighter and quicker and come back this season with much more explosion. Instead he looks hesitant and slow... I don't care if it's mental at this point... I don't see how the colts can depend on him, much less fantasy owners. While it's selling low to move him now, I could see how this guy is a roster albatross in a few months and worth nothing.
Has anyone sold recently in dynasty? I'm a contender and need production from the rb2 slot... Just not sure this clown can hack it right now. I really, really thought he'd realize he needed to get lighter and quicker and come back this season with much more explosion. Instead he looks hesitant and slow... I don't care if it's mental at this point... I don't see how the colts can depend on him, much less fantasy owners. While it's selling low to move him now, I could see how this guy is a roster albatross in a few months and worth nothing.
georg013
Footballguy
The Colts o line looks great. Everyone but TRich is averaging 4 ypc. Oh, thats not true? Yikes. The O-line sucks. Fact. Doesn't change the fact that TRich still looks hesitant though. But to act like the line doesn't have huge problems is brainless. Stop looking to twist things around and incite unnecessary bickering.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I tried to buy for Mike Wallace this offseason. Glad he didn't accept. I have the feeling he will wish he did in a few weeks.
I think there is a player currnetly on another roster that will see snaps this year for the Colts. Who? Your guess is as good as mine.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Expectations are so high on both sides in here it seems... we're damning the guy for a few carries in the preseason. I just watched the Giants game over again and to me he looked decisive and was hitting the "hole" well, there just wasn't much there. Almost every carry there were multiple defenders around him and it wasn't him dancing around in the backfield, the Giants were just getting penetration regularly. I saw the same thing watching the Bears this week... where are the people damning Forte to mediocrity?
We're reading an awful lot into a couple preseason performances that really aren't telling us much. To me, the biggest thing that I'm getting from them is that he will be getting a big workload and is going to be featured in a solid offense. I'm looking forward to some closure on this hate train with him succeeding or failing, whatever it is... I'm just of the opinion that it's far from over and now is not the time to make the judgement final.
We're reading an awful lot into a couple preseason performances that really aren't telling us much. To me, the biggest thing that I'm getting from them is that he will be getting a big workload and is going to be featured in a solid offense. I'm looking forward to some closure on this hate train with him succeeding or failing, whatever it is... I'm just of the opinion that it's far from over and now is not the time to make the judgement final.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
dude, he's been failing for a year now.
if you still don't see it you never will.
I'm guessing people aren't jumping on forte because he HASN'T BEEN FAILING FOR A YEAR.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
georg013
Footballguy
Half in the bag
Footballguy
The Colts blocking schemes are terrible. Hamilton is suspect as an OC at best. He needs to go back to college and the Colts need a true OC like Norv Turner you know
And how does the OL sucking help him? By the way, it was everyone but TRich was averaging 5.0ypc, not 4.0ypc. If he needs Alabama sized holes to play well, he isn't going to be an RB2 like he is getting drafted now. Seems like the run first mentality may start going away based on Luck. With the receiving corps, I don't see any reason to force it to a mediocre RB behind a sucky OL. Unless he drops way down, he is way too risky for me. The only thing he has going for him is that he is one injury to Bradshaw away from being the only option. In PPR leagues, I think he will get enough dump offs to be OK, but I am still thinking bye week replacement, not starter. That is where I would draft him as a backup.georg013 said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It must be too obvious, I guess. Just say "F it" and skip the charade of having a running game. With Luck and a capable group of WRs, I'd go full blown Mouse Davis run 'n shoot PLUS a hurry-up and take my chances.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm neither a Richardson apologist or hater. I just want to know, is there any RB who averaged sub 4 YPC in his first two seasons who then went on to be success? Maybe this has been covered already.
Edit: Meant two seasons.
Edit: Meant two seasons.
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Raider Nation
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cstu
Footballguy
I posted it several times in this thread, mostly to mocking responses.
RB's with over 400 carries their first two years, sorted by YPC:
Code:
NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.32 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.13 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.94 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.25 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.96 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.77 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.28 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.59 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.310 Cad. Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.311 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.812 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.513 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.514 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.015 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.816 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.617 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.318 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.619 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.720 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.821 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.022 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.523 K. Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.824 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.325 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
so, when we compare him to ron dayne we're actually insulting dayne?
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Nevermind, I found the FBG tool for that:
NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD FANT PT
1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 389.3
2 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 280.1
3 Tony Galbreath rb 1976--1977 28 304 1214 3.99 10 255.9
4 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 285.9
5 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 311.2
6 Earnest Jackson rb 1983--1984 28 307 1218 3.97 8 202.2
7 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 348.9
8 Fred Lane rb 1997--1998 27 387 1526 3.94 12 235.8
9 O.J. Simpson rb 1969--1970 21 301 1185 3.94 7 226.7
10 T.J. Duckett rb 2002--2003 28 327 1286 3.93 15 234.1
11 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 491.7
12 Tim Worley rb 1989--1990 26 304 1188 3.91 5 167.1
13 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 380.2
14 Herman Heard rb 1984--1985 32 329 1279 3.89 8 235.9
15 Joe Washington rb 1977--1978 29 302 1173 3.88 0 185.4
16 Mario Bates rb 1994--1995 27 395 1530 3.87 13 248.6
17 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 302.5
18 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 515.3
19 Vic Washington rb 1971--1972 27 332 1279 3.85 6 264.9
20 Cadillac Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 267.3
21 Boyce Green rb 1983--1984 29 306 1170 3.82 3 176.1
22 James Stewart rb 1995--1996 27 327 1248 3.82 10 239.5
23 Terdell Middleton rb 1977--1978 30 319 1213 3.80 11 229.2
24 Paul Robinson rb 1968--1969 28 398 1512 3.80 12 252.4
25 Garrison Hearst rb 1993--1995 31 397 1503 3.79 3 205.3
26 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 319.8
27 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 407.5
28 William Green rb 2002--2003 23 385 1446 3.76 7 202.9
29 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 312.5
30 Andra Franklin rb 1981--1982 25 378 1412 3.74 14 232.7
31 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 329.0
32 Woody Green rb 1974--1975 22 302 1120 3.71 8 218.2
33 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 271.8
34 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 296.6
35 LenDale White rb 2006--2007 29 365 1352 3.70 7 194.6
36 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 301.3
37 Boobie Clark rb 1973--1974 22 353 1300 3.68 13 268.1
38 Reggie Bush rb 2006--2007 28 312 1146 3.67 10 313.5
39 Derek Brown rb 1993--1994 29 326 1194 3.66 5 221.2
40 Rodney Thomas rb 1995--1996 32 300 1098 3.66 6 191.0
41 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 270.6
42 Butch Woolfolk rb 1982--1983 25 358 1296 3.62 6 236.8
43 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 352.7
44 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 225.8
45 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 251.0
46 Alvin Maxson rb 1974--1975 27 304 1085 3.57 5 195.3
47 Reggie Cobb rb 1990--1991 32 347 1232 3.55 9 218.2
48 Darick Holmes rb 1995--1996 32 361 1269 3.52 8 212.5
49 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 260.5
50 Jerry Eckwood rb 1979--1980 31 343 1194 3.48 4 223.7
51 Jim Kiick rb 1968--1969 28 345 1196 3.47 13 290.1
52 Leonard Russell rb 1991--1992 27 389 1349 3.47 6 181.4
53 Karim Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 402.8
54 Mike Rozier rb 1985--1986 27 332 1124 3.39 12 212.7
55 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 207.3
56 Charley Taylor wr 1964--1965 27 344 1157 3.36 8 350.8
57 Ricky Bell rb 1977--1978 23 333 1115 3.35 7 174.5
58 Lawrence Phillips rb 1996--1997 27 394 1309 3.32 12 215.6
59 Trent Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 315.7
60 Altie Taylor rb 1969--1970 24 316 1014 3.21 2 160.1
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sn0mm1s
Footballguy
It is even worse than that. TRich has a historically low YPC when the league YPC has been at a historic high since the early-mid 2000s. The 1990s were the most difficult decade to run in judged by YPC so a sub 4.0 YPC for a season or two during that time frame is not nearly as much of a red flag as a sub 4.0 now.So he's even worse than Lawrence Philips?
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Yup.So he's even worse than Lawrence Philips?
And LenDale white is better than Reggie Bush...
And Cadillac Williams is better than Matt Forte...
cstu
Footballguy
That's really not what I'm trying to say with the information. Richardson has been historically bad and no one within 0.4 YPC of him has had a long, successful career. My point all along is that he needs to massively improve to stay in the league. So far it doesn't look like he has done that.Yup.So he's even worse than Lawrence Philips?
And LenDale white is better than Reggie Bush...
And Cadillac Williams is better than Matt Forte...
Jrodicus
Footballguy
There have been worse. Here are sub-3.0 seasons with at least 100 carries since 2000:
NAME POS YR AGE EXP G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD FANT PT
1 Darnell Autry rb 2000 24 4 10 112 334 2.98 3 84.9
2 Eddie George rb 2001 28 6 16 315 939 2.98 5 151.8
3 Larry Johnson rb 2009 30 7 21 310 920 2.97 0 107.6
4 Travis Prentice rb 2000 24 1 15 173 512 2.96 7 118.3
5 Trent Richardson rb 2013 23 2 18 192 564 2.94 3 112.0
6 Rudi Johnson rb 2007 28 6 11 170 497 2.92 3 84.7
7 Bernard Pierce rb 2013 22 2 16 152 436 2.87 2 66.0
8 Marcel Shipp rb 2005 27 4 15 157 451 2.87 0 70.6
9 James Jackson rb 2001 25 1 11 195 554 2.84 2 73.0
10 Warrick Dunn rb 2001 26 5 13 158 447 2.83 3 136.4
11 Kevan Barlow rb 2006 27 6 12 131 370 2.82 6 75.1
12 Rashad Jennings rb 2012 27 4 10 101 283 2.80 2 53.3
13 Tim Hightower rb 2008 22 1 16 143 399 2.79 10 123.6
14 Willis McGahee rb 2013 32 10 12 138 377 2.73 2 51.7
15 Jonathan Wells rb 2002 23 1 16 197 529 2.69 3 75.7
16 Chris Perry rb 2008 27 5 13 103 269 2.61 2 46.0
17 Chester Taylor rb 2010 31 9 16 112 267 2.38 3 58.6
TheLurkerBelow
Footballguy
That has been his biggest problem as a runner from what I've seen. (Note, it's not his only problem, but his biggest imo). He stutter steps and tries these jump cuts that take away all his momentum. I was really hoping that an offseason with the Indy coaching staff would help him learn how to just plant, cut, and go, carrying much more of his size, momentum, and power with him after he makes his move. If he's just stuttering and jumping he's never going to put up better numbers.
His vision is also a big question mark, but I figured learning how to plant and go would be an easier fix. Oh well, he's still young, maybe he'll start getting it at some point.
TheLurkerBelow
Footballguy
