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The Voice in your Head (1 Viewer)
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Mrs. Rannous
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Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
this whole thread is baffling to me. I should have saw the warning signs with the scientific Instagram poll of 80 people.
Otis
Footballguy
I assume there’s a difference; but then again I don’t hear voices like others in this thread.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I have a feeling it's this - Otis is obviously a very smart guy (and of course loves the schtick, so maybe it's just that) but I think he's just hung up on the "voice" and not realizing he's experiencing the same thing. I said before I don't actually hear a voice in my head but the words bounce around in full sentences which ultimately creates the same effect as if they were being spoken.
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belljr
Footballguy
So now its not a "voice"
And again I dont "have an inner dialogue" that i realize is happening
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belljr
Footballguy
So lets say you are at the store and are buying a TV for example.
You are by yourself. There are 2 TVS next to each other.
DO you have a "inner dialgoue" debating which tv to buy?
i.e "this tv has and extra hdmi, this tv has better color" etc?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's your mind racing with thoughts in full sentences as if you were having a conversation with yourself. The "voice" isn't actually heard but the end result is the same. Your brain interprets it as if it was spoke out loud - at least that's how it works for me.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes. These thoughts would bounce around as if I was having a conversation with some one else discussing the pros and cons.
mr. furley
Footballguy
it's not a voice in that "voices in your head" are typically associated with uncontrolled thought that's dictating malicious behavior. which is generally associated with the severely mentally ill.
belljr
Footballguy
well things have changed since the OP then....
However, i never have full sentences with myself (that I know of). I can force myself to do it, but if I'm hungry and go to the cabinet - I'll look around then decide. I'm sure its happening but I'm not going "hmm cookies look good but ther are only a few left, maybe ill have chips, or pretzels, i'll leave the cookies for the kids"
I'll go to the cabinet and decide its CHIPS!!! There might be a brief thought or 2 that pops into my head (oh leave for kids) - but its almost like "I'm being told to leave it for the kids"
mr. furley
Footballguy
turn it around. when you're standing in front of 2 TV's.. you just reach out and grab one. then walk to the checkout with a totally empty head. walk out and drive home without so much as a thought?
you just visualize everything and there's not a consideration given to directions, traffic, etc. if someone slams on their brakes in front of you, you're not thinking "####!! WHAT AN IDIOT!"?
you're just.... empty?
belljr
Footballguy
im not talking about that. People have stated originally that they hear "their own voice" when having internal dialogue.... you seem to be saying you have an internal dialogue "without hearing yourself" - I realize a random VOICE you dont recognize its not what we are saying.
But if you personally are having an inner monologue you are saying you "just see the words" but you are still having a "conversation"?
Ned
Footballguy
You guys are just talking right past each other on this. 
@belljr says he can force himself to have the inner dialogue. That's all we're describing, except it happens more frequently. For me personally, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. That dialogue never shuts off. I can force myself to shut it off, but I have to try pretty damn hard to sit there and have nothing in my head.
@belljr says he can force himself to have the inner dialogue. That's all we're describing, except it happens more frequently. For me personally, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. That dialogue never shuts off. I can force myself to shut it off, but I have to try pretty damn hard to sit there and have nothing in my head.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i don't "hear" anything. it's not an external auditory sensation like in Real Genius where god is talking to Kent.
i also don't have visual hallucinations whereby i see words floating in front of me that i read out loud.
it's an internal monologue. it's a thought process. there's even a definition - https://www.thefreedictionary.com/thought+process
i'm more freaked out that people walk around without a thought process. that somehow there's a subset of people that spontaneously act without any cognition or forethought. i'm not even remotely certain how that would be possible.
belljr
Footballguy
No I'll look at the 2 tvs - take in all the information - then myself tells myself which one i should buy. I'm guessing I'm having that internal discussion but I am not "having a conversation with myself internally"....
And I am one to talk out loud occasionally if I'm figuring out something very complicated at work.
mr. furley
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
what? Yes? - I'm not walking around like a zombie if thats what you are asking. I recognize at some level my brain his doing this but on a regular basis I'm not having internal discussion with myself.
mr. furley
Footballguy
semantics, imowhat? Yes? - I'm not walking around like a zombie if thats what you are asking. I recognize at some level my brain his doing this but on a regular basis I'm not having internal discussion with myself.
belljr
Footballguy
Maybe - but I dont "recognize" or relate to many things people have posted in here
I posted this as a "joke" earlier
But I dont have something like this happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKc_2HDZHRU
Jaysus
Good times!
I bet you do it without even noticing. If you're driving down the road and enter a construction zone you may say something to yourself like "ok, there's brake lights on all of the cars in front of me, I better slow down, play it safe and hide the open container" But while that is happening I am sure you realize that the brake lights are red, and the cones on the side of the road are orange, the Ford in the left lane is not slowing down as fast as they should.
All of those things happen without any internal monologue, right? My guess is the folks without the internal monologue internalize things like that full time. You do not have to think about the brake light being red - it's red you know it's red, done. I suppose I can see how if some people are hungry, they know they want the last cookie, but they know the kids love those cookies, so the healthy alternative of the sumo wrestler fruit it is.
I mean, that's not me, but I can see it.
jamny
Footballguy
Jaysus
Good times!
jamny
Footballguy
Sure, but it's tough to not start thinking about what I was going to do today and this upcoming weekend. I guess it would be good practice to try to meditate. Something I've always wanted to do. I've tried in the past but the thoughts don't let me totally zone out. It's something I'm going to try and work on.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Ned
Footballguy
The trick to meditating, and I'm far from an expert, is you're focusing those conscious thoughts to specific parts of your body. The biggest/best I've found was focusing on my diaphragm.
This is a great video I use for competitive archery
mr. furley
Footballguy
this makes me wonder how each of us would handle one of those sensory deprivation float tanks
urbanhack
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dkp993
Footballguy
I’m not so sure....
I’ve been fascinated with the topic similar to this for a very long time and had countless discussions with people about it over the years. While I’m in the hear words in my head camp I realized years ago how different it is we all experience the world and at a basic level how our brains function differently. I realize this because I don’t see pictures in my head, ask me to visualize a tree for example and I don’t see a tree in my head yet I can describe it. It’s super hard to explain but I think it similar to what @Otis is describing about how he experiences the words in his head.
I’ve had this discussion a lot with my mother who is an artist. When she thinks something specific in her head she sees a detailed picture of it, similar to a photograph or a painting. I don’t, I see blackness. Yet strangely out of that blackness I can describe the thing I’m thinking of. I realize this doesn’t make sense, hence the hard to describe part, and I don’t understand it either but it’s how my brain works (and I’m sure others too).
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mr. furley
Footballguy
my wife and daughters can draw incredible detail without using a picture. "because (they) see it in their heads".
meanwhile my horse drawing looks like an amoeba.
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dkp993
Footballguy
Yeah I’ve always wondered if that correlates to to my inability to draw very well. My father is an architect and my mother is an artist, yet I can’t draw circle. I haven’t yet come to the conclusion to correlate a direct line between my inability to see pictures to my inability to draw very well, the sample size is simply too small. But I do very much wonder if there’s a correlation.
my wife and daughters can draw incredible detail without using a picture. "because (they) see it in their heads".
meanwhile my horse drawing looks like an amoeba.
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mr. furley
Footballguy
i've got an architect friend who can draw amazing ####. all from the top of his head. surely some of that is practice and repetition but the ability to visualize and put to paper has to be brain wiring.
the kids get a big kick out of asking me to draw things because it always comes out looking ridiculous.
"dad! draw the cats!
" dad: draws some lines that generally intersect in some way and form a rough shape
kids: draw art that should be hanging on a wall somewhere
belljr
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
Yep!
The Iguana
Footballguy
Don't think I had clicked in this thread before - my wife said something about this last night - she heard some news story on the radio about it or something. I've tried to imagine what it would be like to not have that voice in my head - totally incomprehensible to me!
Side note - as my wife was describing it I said something like "oh I definitely have that voice" to which she replied "oh, I know, I watch you talk to it all the time" or something like that - she's totally correct - not only do I have an inner voice but I also often have an internal dialog going on rather than just a monolog in there.
Side note - as my wife was describing it I said something like "oh I definitely have that voice" to which she replied "oh, I know, I watch you talk to it all the time" or something like that - she's totally correct - not only do I have an inner voice but I also often have an internal dialog going on rather than just a monolog in there.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Do you imagine, or visualize, future conversations that you have with others? For example, if you are driving home and plan to talk to your wife about purchasing a large screen TV to watch the superbowl on, do you imagine that conversation in your mind and construct the full sentences that you will speak when you have the actual conversation later?
belljr
Footballguy
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Peak
Footballguy
Yes. Usually I can hear her side in her voice telling me what a fool I am.....or criticizing my thought process. That makes for a great conversation as I sit at a red light in a car by myself. At some point in the "conversation" I begin talking out loud to that same voice. By the time I get home, I don't even want to talk to her because I've been talking to her the whole ride home.
Otis
Footballguy
I do this out loud sometimes for conversations I’m nervous about having — I’ll speak out loud when I’m in the car or something and practice what I would say. But it’s a very intentional thing, and only in those kinds of circumstances. And I’m not sure I could do it in my head if I even tried.
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Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
This is where we have the difference. I visualize future conversations (typically just the words I will say), in complete sentences, including inflection...in my head...ALL the time...
I NEVER do this out loud. Ever.
jamny
Footballguy
Quite often I'll pace around the house while doing this, like if I have an important phone call to make or email to write.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
On the other hand, I never "hear" a voice that talks TO me. I am the source of and sole proprietor of the voice.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Actually thinking about this now, I want to know what people that don't have this voice do on a long car trip, especially if driving alone. I spend my time either doing (and re-doing) the math to calculate my ETA or having one long talk with myself after another.
jamny
Footballguy
Zegras11
Footballguy
jamny
Footballguy
I like the Oprah video posted earlier. Maybe just a red triangle. Something just motionless.
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