The Wrath of Khan! (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

MJD strikes me as an extremely prideful man who is also very in tune to where he is in his career.

This is the same guy who wears #32 on his jersey as a constant reminder that all 32 teams passed on him in the NFL draft's 1st round.

I've been listening to him since he was in college, speaking about the pride his grandfather instilled in him and listening to the obvious chip he had on his shoulder when he was coming out and being told Reggie Bush was vastly superior, he was too small, etc.

So, in interest of FF production impacts as well as interest in how the business side of the NFL might affect the performance of a player, I offer this poll and you can share your thoughts on how you think this might pan out.

Myself, like I said, I think MJD is extremely prideful and this public calling out by the owner may have just created a big divide in resolving the holdout.

 

[kencav]

MJD strikes me as an extremely prideful man who is also very in tune to where he is in his career.This is the same guy who wears #32 on his jersey as a constant reminder that all 32 teams passed on him in the NFL draft's 1st round.I've been listening to him since he was in college, speaking about the pride his grandfather instilled in him and listening to the obvious chip he had on his shoulder when he was coming out and being told Reggie Bush was vastly superior, he was too small, etc.So, in interest of FF production impacts as well as interest in how the business side of the NFL might affect the performance of a player, I offer this poll and you can share your thoughts on how you think this might pan out.Myself, like I said, I think MJD is extremely prideful and this public calling out by the owner may have just created a big divide in resolving the holdout.

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CentralPA]

I'm starting to get a vibe of Vincent Jackson 2.0 with this situation. I honestly think he'll wait out until he doesn't earn a single dime then he'll come back and play in week 10 or 12 or whenever it is allowable to completely take a years pay away. He's done with Jacksonville and Kahn. The fact is though MJD doesn't have much leverage right now. Gabbert is playing great and the offense finally has some weapons, Jennings is reaping the benefits of this hold out as he looks like he will be more than just a serviceable back up. Only thing MJD can hope for is a trade and I doubt Kahn will trade him out of spite or he'll ask for way too much in return.

 

[Warpig]

Was just talking to a friend about this. I am a huge MJD fan and think he is one of the few bright spots on the league...classy, intelligent guy.

The comments made by the Jags clueless owner can be perceived as a slap in the face and MJD won't stand for that. I can see this dragging out into the regular season. I am totally on the side of MJD here. He has outperformed his contract and deserves to get paid at least the average of the top 5 backs. It's not fair that ownership can dump a guy if he underperforms, but they don't want to pay a fair wage. And all these people that say "but he signed the contract" are fools. We would all do the same thing if we were in his shoes. If we surpassed our peers as MJD has, we'd want a monetary bump to reflect our efforts. But obviously, we would do what we had to to stay employed. With MJD, I believe he has invested in things for life after football. So he could probably step away from the game today and still live comfortably. And still be able to walk and have his wits about him due to no concussions.

Jacksonville is a joke of a program. Agreeing to play in London?! Because they can't sell out their own stadium! New owner steps in trying to be Billy Badass...what is that saying to the other players? They have a scrub of a QB and one of the worst WR corps in the league. No players will want to play there.

I think MJD loves J-ville, so the fact that he has requested a trade should tell you how much he has soured on the situation. I own MJD in 4 out of 5 leagues and I hope he sits out. Good for him.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think he'll take it personally, but still report in the end.

Also think this is a tough call. He had a big signing bonus and the contract was front-loaded with guaranteed money. What he's making this year isn't really indicative of the overall contract value.

He's worth more today, but the Jags also took a chance and put their faith in MJD during the last contract negotiations three years ago. They were on the hook for a ton of cash if he hadn't panned out.

 

[Shutout]

Was just talking to a friend about this. I am a huge MJD fan and think he is one of the few bright spots on the league...classy, intelligent guy.The comments made by the Jags clueless owner can be perceived as a slap in the face and MJD won't stand for that. I can see this dragging out into the regular season. I am totally on the side of MJD here. He has outperformed his contract and deserves to get paid at least the average of the top 5 backs. It's not fair that ownership can dump a guy if he underperforms, but they don't want to pay a fair wage. And all these people that say "but he signed the contract" are fools. We would all do the same thing if we were in his shoes. If we surpassed our peers as MJD has, we'd want a monetary bump to reflect our efforts. But obviously, we would do what we had to to stay employed. With MJD, I believe he has invested in things for life after football. So he could probably step away from the game today and still live comfortably. And still be able to walk and have his wits about him due to no concussions.Jacksonville is a joke of a program. Agreeing to play in London?! Because they can't sell out their own stadium! New owner steps in trying to be Billy Badass...what is that saying to the other players? They have a scrub of a QB and one of the worst WR corps in the league. No players will want to play there.I think MJD loves J-ville, so the fact that he has requested a trade should tell you how much he has soured on the situation. I own MJD in 4 out of 5 leagues and I hope he sits out. Good for him.

I'll admit, I am one of those fools who says "but he signed the contract". But I really don't have a firm stance on it because I see both sides.I DO think this will affect how this plays out and his performance though. I think MJD is bright and probably knows how far he can go to get as much leverage as he can.

 

[Shutout]

MJD's last contract

4/15/2009: Signed a five-year, $30.95 million contract.

The deal contains $17.5 million guaranteed, including a $9 million signing bonus and Jones-Drew's base salaries in years one and two. Another $1.8 million is available through incentives.

2012: $4.45 million

2013: $4.95 million

2014: Free Agent

Just for review and reflection. Again, I see both sides, but I must admit, after looking up the contract details and seeing all that money in guarantees, it does make me feel a lot less sympathetic to him when I hear people saying "He only makes $9M over the next two years and he's worth more." I agree with that, but also can see the other side saying, "Yeah, but it averages out because he was paid $21M the past three years....$7M+/yr is a good salary for a RB, especially when you consider that he could have never played another down way back in 2009 and we put $18M in his pocket that he would have kept."

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

$7M+/yr is a good salary for a RB, especially when you consider that he could have never played another down way back in 2009 and we put $18M in his pocket that he would have kept."

Exactly. Both sides took a risk. MJD's risk was that he'd be underpaid in the 4th and 5th years if he was the stud he seemed to be.The Jags risk was that he got hurt or run over by a bus or unmotivated and they'd sunk a ton of money into a guy who didn't pan out.

 

[msommer]

Didn't the CBA change so you couldn't sit out most of the season and still accrue your year?

Anyhow, if MJD doesn't suit up soon and plays lights out, who will want to trade for him? (The Jets should, may so should the Lions with their RB by infirmary situation)

 

[DiStefano]

He's 27 years old. From his standpoint, this is his last opportunity for a much bigger payday, because by the time he gets to be 29 and his contract runs out, he's over the hill. He doesn't have much leverage, though, because the Jags know that. In the end, he'll report, because to hold out will cost him a bundle.

 

[Soulfly3]

People are siding with MJD? Really?

The man got paiiiiiiiid. Well. He signed a contract without a gun to his head.

Respect it.

 

[Shutout]

I'm surprised this is such a close poll. I really thought it would be a runaway.

Good thoughts..Keep them coming.

 

[Warpig]

For your information:

Adrian Peterson - 7 year deal for 96 million - $13.7 mil per year (average breakdown)

Darren McFadden - 6 year deal for 60 million - $10 mil per year

Chris Johnson - 6 year deal for 55.26 million - $9.21 mil per year

Arian Foster - 5 year deal for 43.5 million - $8.7 mil per year

DeAngelo Williams - 5 year deal for 43 million - $8.6 mil per year

Ray Rice - 5 year deal for 40 million - $8 mil per year

Marshawn Lynch - 4 year deal for 31 million - $7.75 million per year

Lesean McCoy - 6 year deal for 45.615 million - $7.6 mil per year

Matt Forte - 4 year deal for 30.4 million - $7.6 mil per year

Steven Jackson - 6 year deal for 44.805 - $7.4675 mil per year

and finally...

MJD - 5 year deal for 30.95 million - $6.19 mil per year

What is wrong with this picture? They all got fat signing bonuses and various roster bonuses etc, so that seems to be a wash.

2011 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Maurice Jones-Drew*+ · JAX 100.4

2. Arian Foster* · HOU 94.2

3. Fred Jackson · BUF 93.4

4. LeSean McCoy*+ · PHI 87.3

5. Ray Rice* · BAL 85.3

6. Michael Turner · ATL 83.8

7. Matt Forte* · CHI 83.1

8. Adrian Peterson · MIN 80.8

9. Marshawn Lynch · SEA 80.3

10. Willis McGahee · DEN 79.9

2010 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Arian Foster*+ · HOU 101.0

2. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 94.6

3. Jamaal Charles*+ · KAN 91.7

4. Darren McFadden · OAK 89.0

5. Adrian Peterson* · MIN 86.5

6. Michael Turner* · ATL 85.7

7. Chris Johnson* · TEN 85.3

8. Rashard Mendenhall · PIT 79.6

9. Steven Jackson* · STL 77.6

10. Frank Gore · SFO 77.5

LeGarrette Blount · TAM 77.5

2009 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Chris Johnson*+ · TEN 125.4

2. Cedric Benson · CIN 96.2

3. Steven Jackson* · STL 94.4

4. Thomas Jones · NYJ 87.6

5. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 86.9

6. Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 86.4

7. DeAngelo Williams* · CAR 85.9

8. Ray Rice* · BAL 83.7

9. Frank Gore* · SFO 80.0

10. Michael Turner · ATL 79.2

In 2008 MJD was splitting carries with Fred Taylor so he wasn't in the top for rushing yards per game but he was in the top for Touchdowns scored

2008 Rushing TD

1. DeAngelo Williams · CAR 18

2. Michael Turner*+ · ATL 17

3. Brandon Jacobs · NYG 15

LenDale White · TEN 15

5. Thomas Jones* · NYJ 13

6. Maurice Jones-Drew · JAX 12

7. LaDainian Tomlinson · SDG 11

8. Ronnie Brown* · MIA 10

Tim Hightower · ARI 10

Le'Ron McClain*+ · BAL 10

Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 10

Jonathan Stewart · CAR 10

So the average salary of just the top 5 backs is equal to $10.042 mil per year. I'm sure MJD would "settle" for 7.5 - 8 mil per year. But I'm not his agent.

THE MAN IS UNDERPAID!

 

[DiStefano]

For your information:

Adrian Peterson - 7 year deal for 96 million - $13.7 mil per year (average breakdown)

Darren McFadden - 6 year deal for 60 million - $10 mil per year

Chris Johnson - 6 year deal for 55.26 million - $9.21 mil per year

Arian Foster - 5 year deal for 43.5 million - $8.7 mil per year

DeAngelo Williams - 5 year deal for 43 million - $8.6 mil per year

Ray Rice - 5 year deal for 40 million - $8 mil per year

Marshawn Lynch - 4 year deal for 31 million - $7.75 million per year

Lesean McCoy - 6 year deal for 45.615 million - $7.6 mil per year

Matt Forte - 4 year deal for 30.4 million - $7.6 mil per year

Steven Jackson - 6 year deal for 44.805 - $7.4675 mil per year

and finally...

MJD - 5 year deal for 30.95 million - $6.19 mil per year

What is wrong with this picture? They all got fat signing bonuses and various roster bonuses etc, so that seems to be a wash.

2011 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Maurice Jones-Drew*+ · JAX 100.4

2. Arian Foster* · HOU 94.2

3. Fred Jackson · BUF 93.4

4. LeSean McCoy*+ · PHI 87.3

5. Ray Rice* · BAL 85.3

6. Michael Turner · ATL 83.8

7. Matt Forte* · CHI 83.1

8. Adrian Peterson · MIN 80.8

9. Marshawn Lynch · SEA 80.3

10. Willis McGahee · DEN 79.9

2010 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Arian Foster*+ · HOU 101.0

2. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 94.6

3. Jamaal Charles*+ · KAN 91.7

4. Darren McFadden · OAK 89.0

5. Adrian Peterson* · MIN 86.5

6. Michael Turner* · ATL 85.7

7. Chris Johnson* · TEN 85.3

8. Rashard Mendenhall · PIT 79.6

9. Steven Jackson* · STL 77.6

10. Frank Gore · SFO 77.5

LeGarrette Blount · TAM 77.5

2009 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Chris Johnson*+ · TEN 125.4

2. Cedric Benson · CIN 96.2

3. Steven Jackson* · STL 94.4

4. Thomas Jones · NYJ 87.6

5. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 86.9

6. Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 86.4

7. DeAngelo Williams* · CAR 85.9

8. Ray Rice* · BAL 83.7

9. Frank Gore* · SFO 80.0

10. Michael Turner · ATL 79.2

In 2008 MJD was splitting carries with Fred Taylor so he wasn't in the top for rushing yards per game but he was in the top for Touchdowns scored

2008 Rushing TD

1. DeAngelo Williams · CAR 18

2. Michael Turner*+ · ATL 17

3. Brandon Jacobs · NYG 15

LenDale White · TEN 15

5. Thomas Jones* · NYJ 13

6. Maurice Jones-Drew · JAX 12

7. LaDainian Tomlinson · SDG 11

8. Ronnie Brown* · MIA 10

Tim Hightower · ARI 10

Le'Ron McClain*+ · BAL 10

Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 10

Jonathan Stewart · CAR 10

THE MAN IS UNDERPAID!

So?If he wants to be REALLY underpaid, let him hold out once the season starts.

 

[Warpig]

So?If he wants to be REALLY underpaid, let him hold out once the season starts.

This guy knows things.

 

[12punch]

For your information:

Adrian Peterson - 7 year deal for 96 million - $13.7 mil per year (average breakdown)

Darren McFadden - 6 year deal for 60 million - $10 mil per year

Chris Johnson - 6 year deal for 55.26 million - $9.21 mil per year

Arian Foster - 5 year deal for 43.5 million - $8.7 mil per year

DeAngelo Williams - 5 year deal for 43 million - $8.6 mil per year

Ray Rice - 5 year deal for 40 million - $8 mil per year

Marshawn Lynch - 4 year deal for 31 million - $7.75 million per year

Lesean McCoy - 6 year deal for 45.615 million - $7.6 mil per year

Matt Forte - 4 year deal for 30.4 million - $7.6 mil per year

Steven Jackson - 6 year deal for 44.805 - $7.4675 mil per year

and finally...

MJD - 5 year deal for 30.95 million - $6.19 mil per year

What is wrong with this picture? They all got fat signing bonuses and various roster bonuses etc, so that seems to be a wash.

2011 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Maurice Jones-Drew*+ · JAX 100.4

2. Arian Foster* · HOU 94.2

3. Fred Jackson · BUF 93.4

4. LeSean McCoy*+ · PHI 87.3

5. Ray Rice* · BAL 85.3

6. Michael Turner · ATL 83.8

7. Matt Forte* · CHI 83.1

8. Adrian Peterson · MIN 80.8

9. Marshawn Lynch · SEA 80.3

10. Willis McGahee · DEN 79.9

2010 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Arian Foster*+ · HOU 101.0

2. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 94.6

3. Jamaal Charles*+ · KAN 91.7

4. Darren McFadden · OAK 89.0

5. Adrian Peterson* · MIN 86.5

6. Michael Turner* · ATL 85.7

7. Chris Johnson* · TEN 85.3

8. Rashard Mendenhall · PIT 79.6

9. Steven Jackson* · STL 77.6

10. Frank Gore · SFO 77.5

LeGarrette Blount · TAM 77.5

2009 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Chris Johnson*+ · TEN 125.4

2. Cedric Benson · CIN 96.2

3. Steven Jackson* · STL 94.4

4. Thomas Jones · NYJ 87.6

5. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 86.9

6. Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 86.4

7. DeAngelo Williams* · CAR 85.9

8. Ray Rice* · BAL 83.7

9. Frank Gore* · SFO 80.0

10. Michael Turner · ATL 79.2

In 2008 MJD was splitting carries with Fred Taylor so he wasn't in the top for rushing yards per game but he was in the top for Touchdowns scored

2008 Rushing TD

1. DeAngelo Williams · CAR 18

2. Michael Turner*+ · ATL 17

3. Brandon Jacobs · NYG 15

LenDale White · TEN 15

5. Thomas Jones* · NYJ 13

6. Maurice Jones-Drew · JAX 12

7. LaDainian Tomlinson · SDG 11

8. Ronnie Brown* · MIA 10

Tim Hightower · ARI 10

Le'Ron McClain*+ · BAL 10

Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 10

Jonathan Stewart · CAR 10

So the average salary of just the top 5 backs is equal to $10.042 mil per year. I'm sure MJD would "settle" for 7.5 - 8 mil per year. But I'm not his agent.

THE MAN IS UNDERPAID!

so, why did he sign that deal if it was so far below market?

 

[Warrior]

His knees and the holdout will affect his performance in 2012. Pride has nothing to do with it.

 

[Shutout]

For your information:

Adrian Peterson - 7 year deal for 96 million - $13.7 mil per year (average breakdown)

Darren McFadden - 6 year deal for 60 million - $10 mil per year

Chris Johnson - 6 year deal for 55.26 million - $9.21 mil per year

Arian Foster - 5 year deal for 43.5 million - $8.7 mil per year

DeAngelo Williams - 5 year deal for 43 million - $8.6 mil per year

Ray Rice - 5 year deal for 40 million - $8 mil per year

Marshawn Lynch - 4 year deal for 31 million - $7.75 million per year

Lesean McCoy - 6 year deal for 45.615 million - $7.6 mil per year

Matt Forte - 4 year deal for 30.4 million - $7.6 mil per year

Steven Jackson - 6 year deal for 44.805 - $7.4675 mil per year

and finally...

MJD - 5 year deal for 30.95 million - $6.19 mil per year

What is wrong with this picture? They all got fat signing bonuses and various roster bonuses etc, so that seems to be a wash.

2011 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Maurice Jones-Drew*+ · JAX 100.4

2. Arian Foster* · HOU 94.2

3. Fred Jackson · BUF 93.4

4. LeSean McCoy*+ · PHI 87.3

5. Ray Rice* · BAL 85.3

6. Michael Turner · ATL 83.8

7. Matt Forte* · CHI 83.1

8. Adrian Peterson · MIN 80.8

9. Marshawn Lynch · SEA 80.3

10. Willis McGahee · DEN 79.9

2010 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Arian Foster*+ · HOU 101.0

2. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 94.6

3. Jamaal Charles*+ · KAN 91.7

4. Darren McFadden · OAK 89.0

5. Adrian Peterson* · MIN 86.5

6. Michael Turner* · ATL 85.7

7. Chris Johnson* · TEN 85.3

8. Rashard Mendenhall · PIT 79.6

9. Steven Jackson* · STL 77.6

10. Frank Gore · SFO 77.5

LeGarrette Blount · TAM 77.5

2009 Rushing Yds/Game

1. Chris Johnson*+ · TEN 125.4

2. Cedric Benson · CIN 96.2

3. Steven Jackson* · STL 94.4

4. Thomas Jones · NYJ 87.6

5. Maurice Jones-Drew* · JAX 86.9

6. Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 86.4

7. DeAngelo Williams* · CAR 85.9

8. Ray Rice* · BAL 83.7

9. Frank Gore* · SFO 80.0

10. Michael Turner · ATL 79.2

In 2008 MJD was splitting carries with Fred Taylor so he wasn't in the top for rushing yards per game but he was in the top for Touchdowns scored

2008 Rushing TD

1. DeAngelo Williams · CAR 18

2. Michael Turner*+ · ATL 17

3. Brandon Jacobs · NYG 15

LenDale White · TEN 15

5. Thomas Jones* · NYJ 13

6. Maurice Jones-Drew · JAX 12

7. LaDainian Tomlinson · SDG 11

8. Ronnie Brown* · MIA 10

Tim Hightower · ARI 10

Le'Ron McClain*+ · BAL 10

Adrian Peterson*+ · MIN 10

Jonathan Stewart · CAR 10

So the average salary of just the top 5 backs is equal to $10.042 mil per year. I'm sure MJD would "settle" for 7.5 - 8 mil per year. But I'm not his agent.

THE MAN IS UNDERPAID!

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

 

[Warpig]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?We don't know what all went down during discussions, but it's obvious he is underpaid. And he's been an outstanding citizen in the community and one hell of a player for them. Just seems shady of the team after all he's done for them. Maybe even re-work his contract to where he gets a bigger signing bonus and less in future years so the cap hit isn't bad?*eta* As of July 1 2012, Jags have over 25 million in cap space. Most in the league by almost 6 million!

 

[DiStefano]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?We don't know what all went down during discussions, but it's obvious he is underpaid. And he's been an outstanding citizen in the community and one hell of a player for them. Just seems shady of the team after all he's done for them. Maybe even re-work his contract to where he gets a bigger signing bonus and less in future years so the cap hit isn't bad?*eta* As of July 1 2012, Jags have over 25 million in cap space. Most in the league by almost 6 million!

So he signed a contract for 5 years, and it is shady for the team to expect him to honor it? You make no sense whatsoever. It is a business; repeat, IT IS A BUSINESS. He may well be underpaid. So am I. But if I sign a contract of my own free will, I have no one to blame but myself.Get off your hobby horse; it's tough that you drafted him. Life will go on.

 

[12punch]

Just seems shady of the team after all he's done for them. Maybe even re-work his contract to where he gets a bigger signing bonus and less in future years so the cap hit isn't bad?

yeah, so he can complain about being underpaid in a couple years and hold out again?that sounds like a great idea.I love how mjd refuses to honor his contract and is trying to shake them down but the team's being shady.

 

[Hoosier16]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:

Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?

No discount

Jacksonville Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew has agreed to a four-year contract extension worth nearly $33 million. That makes Jones-Drew the third-highest-paid running back in the NFL, and the deal features the third-highest salary guarantees.

That was after the 2008 season after he finished 13th in total yards from scrimmage and 16th in total touches among RBs. Jags paid him well.

 

[GregR]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/22/report-mjd-open-to-bridging-gap-with-jaguars/

There was no formal trade request, though, and Steve Wyche of the NFL Network reported Wednesday morning on NFL AM that the Jaguars running back remains open to making it work in Jacksonville.

“After speaking to his agent, Adisa Bakari, he’s also open to bridging what is becoming a more fractured relationship because of the comments of Khan, not only Tuesday, but late last week,” said Wyche. “The issue is who is going to extend the olive branch if there is going to be a reparation, because Jones-Drew, he is further entrenched in his holdout — he does not like the situation, the fact that Khan is discussing publicly what was supposed to be handled in private.”

 

[12punch]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/22/report-mjd-open-to-bridging-gap-with-jaguars/

There was no formal trade request, though, and Steve Wyche of the NFL Network reported Wednesday morning on NFL AM that the Jaguars running back remains open to making it work in Jacksonville.

“After speaking to his agent, Adisa Bakari, he’s also open to bridging what is becoming a more fractured relationship because of the comments of Khan, not only Tuesday, but late last week,” said Wyche. “The issue is who is going to extend the olive branch if there is going to be a reparation, because Jones-Drew, he is further entrenched in his holdout — he does not like the situation, the fact that Khan is discussing publicly what was supposed to be handled in private.”

his new name has gotta be mojo jackson

 

[Shutout]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:

Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?

No discount

Jacksonville Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew has agreed to a four-year contract extension worth nearly $33 million. That makes Jones-Drew the third-highest-paid running back in the NFL, and the deal features the third-highest salary guarantees.

That was after the 2008 season after he finished 13th in total yards from scrimmage and 16th in total touches among RBs. Jags paid him well.

In light of that, I am inclined to think its just par for the course. hard to argue and lobby for a guy that took a $18M check to the bank 3 years ago, was paid as a top 5 Rb, and, today, is slated to earn almost $3M more than the average tag for the position.Its a tug on opinions to me. I absolutely think he's worth every penny but I also think its unrealistic for him to expect another contract right now. A new contract would have him taking home probably $45-$50M guaranteed in a 3 year window. That's unthinkable for a RB in this poisiton.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Was just talking to a friend about this. I am a huge MJD fan and think he is one of the few bright spots on the league...classy, intelligent guy.

The comments made by the Jags clueless owner can be perceived as a slap in the face and MJD won't stand for that. I can see this dragging out into the regular season. I am totally on the side of MJD here. He has outperformed his contract and deserves to get paid at least the average of the top 5 backs. It's not fair that ownership can dump a guy if he underperforms, but they don't want to pay a fair wage. And all these people that say "but he signed the contract" are fools. We would all do the same thing if we were in his shoes. If we surpassed our peers as MJD has, we'd want a monetary bump to reflect our efforts. But obviously, we would do what we had to to stay employed. With MJD, I believe he has invested in things for life after football. So he could probably step away from the game today and still live comfortably. And still be able to walk and have his wits about him due to no concussions.

Jacksonville is a joke of a program. Agreeing to play in London?! Because they can't sell out their own stadium! New owner steps in trying to be Billy Badass...what is that saying to the other players? They have a scrub of a QB and one of the worst WR corps in the league. No players will want to play there.

I think MJD loves J-ville, so the fact that he has requested a trade should tell you how much he has soured on the situation. I own MJD in 4 out of 5 leagues and I hope he sits out. Good for him.

Agree on that owner statement. Folks in here that are on board with an owner who knows jackcrap about football. Signing on to play in London for 4 years makes it even harder to win. Most teams don't want to go and then he signs up and is getting on Goodell's good side plus Goodell is like that owner who see a newbie in the FF league and makes some wild trade offer that is agreed upon by the unknowing new owner...it sort of reeks of that.

 

[werdnoynek]

instead of asking will it affect him, we should be asking SHOULD it affect him...

should it? no.

will it? yes, probably.

ETA: this post is making khan out to be a bad guy here but he's just doing his job as the owner of the team imo.

 

[Hoosier16]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:

Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?

No discount

Jacksonville Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew has agreed to a four-year contract extension worth nearly $33 million. That makes Jones-Drew the third-highest-paid running back in the NFL, and the deal features the third-highest salary guarantees.

That was after the 2008 season after he finished 13th in total yards from scrimmage and 16th in total touches among RBs. Jags paid him well.

In light of that, I am inclined to think its just par for the course. hard to argue and lobby for a guy that took a $18M check to the bank 3 years ago, was paid as a top 5 Rb, and, today, is slated to earn almost $3M more than the average tag for the position.Its a tug on opinions to me. I absolutely think he's worth every penny but I also think its unrealistic for him to expect another contract right now. A new contract would have him taking home probably $45-$50M guaranteed in a 3 year window. That's unthinkable for a RB in this poisiton.

I was ready to blame his agent, but you've got to commend him as well. At the time, he got MJD top 3 money for less than top 10 production. Maybe he should have paid more attention to FF back then. He would have realized that RBs become worthless as they approach 30 and would not have signed an extension that expired when he was 29.

 

[werdnoynek]

I was ready to blame his agent, but you've got to commend him as well. At the time, he got MJD top 3 money for less than top 10 production. Maybe he should have paid more attention to FF back then. He would have realized that RBs become worthless as they approach 30 and would not have signed an extension that expired when he was 29.

 

[massraider]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:

Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?

No discount

Jacksonville Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew has agreed to a four-year contract extension worth nearly $33 million. That makes Jones-Drew the third-highest-paid running back in the NFL, and the deal features the third-highest salary guarantees.

That was after the 2008 season after he finished 13th in total yards from scrimmage and 16th in total touches among RBs. Jags paid him well.

Exceptionally

 

[Shutout]

Lots of info there and I see where you are going, but can this question be answered:

Was that deal a good deal WHEN it was signed? I don't know the answer and you may have it right in front of you but it looks like a lot of those deals were signed 2-3 years after MJD signed his. It might be that, at the time, that might have been a top 5 deal easily (otherwise I have to question why he would have signed it). If that's the case, then what can you say? that happens to everyone. Tom Brady signed a great deal and then Peyton blew it out of the water and Tom waited until it was time to sign a new one. Just happens that way.

The contracts were all signed between the years of 2008 to 2012. MJD's was signed in 2009 and was indeed lower than some of his peers at the time.I think he gave the Jags a discount. If that is the case (which it appears to have been), perhaps he was hoping they would return the favor in good faith?

No discount

Jacksonville Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew has agreed to a four-year contract extension worth nearly $33 million. That makes Jones-Drew the third-highest-paid running back in the NFL, and the deal features the third-highest salary guarantees.

That was after the 2008 season after he finished 13th in total yards from scrimmage and 16th in total touches among RBs. Jags paid him well.

Exceptionally

agree.

 

[Wadsworth]

Was just talking to a friend about this. I am a huge MJD fan and think he is one of the few bright spots on the league...classy, intelligent guy.

The comments made by the Jags clueless owner can be perceived as a slap in the face and MJD won't stand for that. I can see this dragging out into the regular season. I am totally on the side of MJD here. He has outperformed his contract and deserves to get paid at least the average of the top 5 backs. It's not fair that ownership can dump a guy if he underperforms, but they don't want to pay a fair wage. And all these people that say "but he signed the contract" are fools. We would all do the same thing if we were in his shoes. If we surpassed our peers as MJD has, we'd want a monetary bump to reflect our efforts. But obviously, we would do what we had to to stay employed. With MJD, I believe he has invested in things for life after football. So he could probably step away from the game today and still live comfortably. And still be able to walk and have his wits about him due to no concussions.

Jacksonville is a joke of a program. Agreeing to play in London?! Because they can't sell out their own stadium! New owner steps in trying to be Billy Badass...what is that saying to the other players? They have a scrub of a QB and one of the worst WR corps in the league. No players will want to play there.

I think MJD loves J-ville, so the fact that he has requested a trade should tell you how much he has soured on the situation. I own MJD in 4 out of 5 leagues and I hope he sits out. Good for him.

Agree on that owner statement. Folks in here that are on board with an owner who knows jackcrap about football. Signing on to play in London for 4 years makes it even harder to win. Most teams don't want to go and then he signs up and is getting on Goodell's good side plus Goodell is like that owner who see a newbie in the FF league and makes some wild trade offer that is agreed upon by the unknowing new owner...it sort of reeks of that.

Shad Khan knows plenty about football. The London games are not some fleecing by Goodell, it was part of Khan's plan since before he bought the team.

 

[Shutout]

Was just talking to a friend about this. I am a huge MJD fan and think he is one of the few bright spots on the league...classy, intelligent guy.

The comments made by the Jags clueless owner can be perceived as a slap in the face and MJD won't stand for that. I can see this dragging out into the regular season. I am totally on the side of MJD here. He has outperformed his contract and deserves to get paid at least the average of the top 5 backs. It's not fair that ownership can dump a guy if he underperforms, but they don't want to pay a fair wage. And all these people that say "but he signed the contract" are fools. We would all do the same thing if we were in his shoes. If we surpassed our peers as MJD has, we'd want a monetary bump to reflect our efforts. But obviously, we would do what we had to to stay employed. With MJD, I believe he has invested in things for life after football. So he could probably step away from the game today and still live comfortably. And still be able to walk and have his wits about him due to no concussions.

Jacksonville is a joke of a program. Agreeing to play in London?! Because they can't sell out their own stadium! New owner steps in trying to be Billy Badass...what is that saying to the other players? They have a scrub of a QB and one of the worst WR corps in the league. No players will want to play there.

I think MJD loves J-ville, so the fact that he has requested a trade should tell you how much he has soured on the situation. I own MJD in 4 out of 5 leagues and I hope he sits out. Good for him.

Agree on that owner statement. Folks in here that are on board with an owner who knows jackcrap about football. Signing on to play in London for 4 years makes it even harder to win. Most teams don't want to go and then he signs up and is getting on Goodell's good side plus Goodell is like that owner who see a newbie in the FF league and makes some wild trade offer that is agreed upon by the unknowing new owner...it sort of reeks of that.

Shad Khan knows plenty about football. The London games are not some fleecing by Goodell, it was part of Khan's plan since before he bought the team.

I think you're right because Shad actually tried to buy into the Rams a couple of years ago and aren't they the team that currently had this London gig going? I think he DID have insght and a few ideas on this.

 

[loose circuits]

At this point MJD will be lucky to get the mil he will owe in fines back. He has no leverage as Jennings looks like a horse. Could be a case where MJD doesn't want his money, but Rashad will take i like they did with the WRs in Pitt