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[NY/NJMFDIVER]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

 

[dparker713]

Thankfully, plenty of Giants fans are Mets fans, so we pretty much own the Boston area - this SB and the 86 WS.

 

[PC Load Letter]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

 

[Clifton]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

 

[Knightro]

Eli Manning has more world titles than Alex Rodriguez

 

[Clifton]

Eli Manning has more world titles than Alex Rodriguez

 

[Bogart]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

 

[Michael Brown]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I'll concede boys, its somewhat apples to oranges, but seeing as there is no way to ever make up for 2004 in baseball(what could happen, theycould simply do exactly the same thing to the Bosox? They still did it first). It was a moment that was made all the more painful by the absoluteness of never being avenged.

As a region to region thing, and a Giants/Yankees fan, I don't know if it totally makes up for it, but its nice to throw some ignominity back New England's way. I don't know about the phrase "chokers" in any regard, its a slight to the Giants and Red Sox teams that moreso took the game away than Pats or Yanks gave their games away, but at least when we list chokers from here on out, the Pats get to be in the discussion with the Yanks of 04. Cold comfort if nothing else.

 

[awesomeness]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

when arguing, try to stay away from using hyperboles.

 

[Clifton]

I'll concede boys, its somewhat apples to oranges, but seeing as there is no way to ever make up for 2004 in baseball(what could happen, theycould simply do exactly the same thing to the Bosox? They still did it first). It was a moment that was made all the more painful by the absoluteness of never being avenged.

As a region to region thing, and a Giants/Yankees fan, I don't know if it totally makes up for it, but its nice to throw some ignominity back New England's way. I don't know about the phrase "chokers" in any regard, its a slight to the Giants and Red Sox teams that moreso took the game away than Pats or Yanks gave their games away, but at least when we list chokers from here on out, the Pats get to be in the discussion with the Yanks of 04. Cold comfort if nothing else.

Agreed. So change that awful signature. Let's look at this. It was against Kevin Millar and the Cowboy Uppers, Johnny Damon and the Idiots, The Boston Red Sox, the enemy. It ended The Curse, the 1918 chants, and the agony of Red Sox fans everywhere. It created the legend of the bloody sock, Red Sox hysteria and possibly the beginning of another Boston Dynasty. The Yankees had 4 shots at stepping on the neck of Red Sox nation and couldn't get it done. Now the rest of baseball fans have had to live with the hysteria ever since...an overconfident fan base and a team that believes it's the best every time it takes the field. It was bad...oh it was bad. To be honest it's just hitting me now that for the rest of my life I will be seeing highlights of last night's game...Eli's goofy face, Plax's celebration. Tom Brady getting krinkled and looking bewildered...errant passes, Tyree's glue headed grab. We've been lucky as Pats fans to watch our team shower in confetti. This loss will linger on top of it all. It will always be there. The collapse of what was to be The Greatest Team Ever. I can already see the future clips in my head. This is more about a Patriots collapse than it is about an amazing accomplishment by the Giants. This could be the beginning of the end.

Both losses really suck. There's just so many ways to look at it. Congrats on the win.

 

[TitusIII]

The nation laughs at both teams...

 

[Michael Brown]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

when arguing, try to stay away from using hyperboles.

Did you mean to say hypotheticals?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The nation laughs at both teams...

 

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@ yankees fans grasping at straws to try to wash off the stench of 2004.

 

[Workhorse]

@ yankees fans grasping at straws to try to wash off the stench of 2004.

The Super Bowl loss hurts but it ain't even close to gagging a 3-0 plaoff lead to your blood rival. Giants vs. Pats isn't even a blip on the radar for fans of either team compared to Yanks vs. Sox.The Red Sox celebrated their historic victory in Yankee Stadium. It doesn't get any more humiliating than that.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I'm a huge Yankees fan but I would trade all the Yankees titles for 1 Giants Super Bowl victory.

I loved sticking it to those arrogant Patriots, and the RedSox tie in is just gravy.

GO GIANTS!!!

 

[awesomeness]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

when arguing, try to stay away from using hyperboles.

Did you mean to say hypotheticals?

no

 

[Michael Brown]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

when arguing, try to stay away from using hyperboles.

Did you mean to say hypotheticals?

no

When I referred to the "mighty and unbeatable Yanks", I wasn't trying to brag or rub it in or whatever. I was saying, what if a team could have defeated the oh-so-mighty New York Yankees. The team that all the so-called experts said was just simply leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. This was all we heard about the Pats, that they were the "mighty and unbeatable" Patriots and that no one could even put up a fight.Had the Yanks lost, they wouldn't be remembered as the greatest team of this era. They'd just be a team that had a terrific regular season. Just like the Pats will be now. People would have said, "Hey they aren't so mighty and unbeatable." Just like they're saying about the Pats now.

Believe me, when I used the "mighty and unbeatable" expression, it was to reinforce my point about how they were perceived at the time and was not an intent to be full of present-day bravado. I'm not one of "those" people. Not sure if I'm explaining this clearly, but I hope I did.

 

[awesomeness]

The 2004 ALCS is beyond horrorific and I always assumed that it could never be redeemed.

In the words of John Hooker in The Sting, "You're right, its not enough. But its close!"

18-1 > 2004 !!!

Go Big Blue!!!!

This kind of logic belongs in the Shark Pool. You're better than this, Diver.

I'm not so sure about that. Let's be honest, that Yankees collapse isn't even in the same library as the Pats loss. Sure an undefeated season down the toilet but rattling off 4 straight losses in the playoffs up 3-0. That's untouchable. Anyways, congrats on the win.

A single letdown for Brady and Co is understandable, but unable to win one game out of four will forever be humiliating.

Except that the Yankees weren't on the verge of being the greatest team of all-time in 2004. They were extremely flawed, and it showed. These Pats were supposedly the best team any of us had ever seen.Not only that, but the 2004 Yanks lost to probably the second-best regular season team in all of baseball that season. The 2007 Pats lost to the 5th seed. Regardless of how amazing it was to win it all, whether coming back from 3-0 or losing one game, the fact is that this one has to hurt Pats fans at least as much as 2004 hurt Yankee fans. This would be like if the Red Sox had snuck into the 1998 playoffs as a wild card and taken out the mighty and unbeatable Yanks in the ALCS in the 9th inning of Game 7 (comparing it to Eli's game-winning TD pass with half a minute to go).

when arguing, try to stay away from using hyperboles.

Did you mean to say hypotheticals?

no

When I referred to the "mighty and unbeatable Yanks", I wasn't trying to brag or rub it in or whatever. I was saying, what if a team could have defeated the oh-so-mighty New York Yankees. The team that all the so-called experts said was just simply leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. This was all we heard about the Pats, that they were the "mighty and unbeatable" Patriots and that no one could even put up a fight.Had the Yanks lost, they wouldn't be remembered as the greatest team of this era. They'd just be a team that had a terrific regular season. Just like the Pats will be now. People would have said, "Hey they aren't so mighty and unbeatable." Just like they're saying about the Pats now.

Believe me, when I used the "mighty and unbeatable" expression, it was to reinforce my point about how they were perceived at the time and was not an intent to be full of present-day bravado. I'm not one of "those" people. Not sure if I'm explaining this clearly, but I hope I did.

Who said that? The Eagles, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Jaguars, and Chragers all put up a fight with the Patriots prior to the Superbowl, so whoever said that (even tho i dont think anyone did) was stupid.