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This is some really bad football (1 Viewer)
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
It's been bad all year imo
This is from a clearly football perspective, not fantasy FWIW. I see a glaring shortage of competent NFL qb's and coaches along with so many bad teams overall. I love the game, that's what keeps me coming back. With that being said the quality of the product is at an all time low IMO.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think there's some really exciting football going on too, but it's not the normal cast of characters so they're not getting much attention.
But I do agree that the QB play has been pretty awful this year. There seems to have been a TON of key injuries to QBs, WRs and O-linemen that have destroyed offensive production.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
too many good key players are hurt. sucks
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The QB thing is a legit issue. It would be even uglier if the rules weren't so geared towards passing...but then more teams would build around dominant rushing attacks so maybe it would be better.
But the coach thing is the NFL's own fault. They hire too many retreads, too many failures. They are too shy about giving qualified coordinators and college coaches chances, especially young guys. It's a good old boys club and they all have each other's backs, even the ones who suck and keep getting hired somehow.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Weren't most of the head coaching positions last year filled with first timers that were previously OCs and DCs?
And I'm not so sure that there has been a whole lot of success for college coaches becoming NFL head coaches.
I think the injury thing is big. Stars are getting hurt and being filled in for by players who aren't starting caliber for a reason. So they play against starting level players and have predictably boring results. And for most players who looks good filling in, there is nothing to get excited about. West will not play when Charles returns next year. Same for Deangelo and Leveon, Funchess (or any panther receiver) and Kelvin, Hasselback and Luck etc. It kind of takes the air out of it all. Like watching bad college teams that you know are pretty irrelevant and hold little excitement in the future
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
For the first time in a long time, yes. Zimmer FINALLY got a HC job after so many years of being in contention for them (and not getting them because he's a rough guy who doesn't interview well with owners), for instance. But mostly every year you have the retreads getting recycled.
The sample size for college coaches is small because they don't get much of a shot. But that's a smaller beef than the one above.
College>>>>>>>Pro
More & more I'm preferring the energy & excitement of college vs pro. Feels like 80s when I was much more an NBA fan than college. Now only time I watch NBA is finals, maybe, but I'll watch random college games. I feel that transition a bit now as I watch much more football on Sat than Sun.
More & more I'm preferring the energy & excitement of college vs pro. Feels like 80s when I was much more an NBA fan than college. Now only time I watch NBA is finals, maybe, but I'll watch random college games. I feel that transition a bit now as I watch much more football on Sat than Sun.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
This week was particularly underwhelming.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The NFL is nigh unwatchable without the RedZone channel. I think I was legitimately entertained by one game this year and even then I can't remember which game it was.
btemp
Footballguy
I see two separate issues:
Rather than flowing a million flags to make it easier to play QB, the NFL just needs to widen the field. A wider field would spread defences out and make it easier for non-Brady's to play quarterback. Incidentally, it also would reduce concussions because of more open field tackles. And it would increase scoring.
- The NFL isn't actually balanced. While the league parrots parity, there's been a fair amount of statistical research that the NFL is actually fairly unbalanced - over the years most good teams stay good and most bad teams stay bad.
- The NFL every year places more responsibility on quarterbacks while not doing anything meaninful to increase the quality of QB play (or decrease the importance of quarterbacks).
Rather than flowing a million flags to make it easier to play QB, the NFL just needs to widen the field. A wider field would spread defences out and make it easier for non-Brady's to play quarterback. Incidentally, it also would reduce concussions because of more open field tackles. And it would increase scoring.
Johnnymac
Footballguy
A wider field is the worst idea I have ever heard. Yeah let's make it even easier to score. The game is going downhill because the defenses are handcuffed and there is no more hitting allowed.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Anecdotally, Jim Harbaugh and nick Saban are examples of why teams shouldn't hire college coaches. Meanwhile the best coach in the league (love him or hate him) is a retread.
The flags are an issue but otherwise the game is exciting as always. It just never goes as expected.
I guess it depends which team you're cheering for. While I call myself a Titans fan, I find myself cheering for the panthers and they've given their fans plenty to cheer for.
The flags are an issue but otherwise the game is exciting as always. It just never goes as expected.
I guess it depends which team you're cheering for. While I call myself a Titans fan, I find myself cheering for the panthers and they've given their fans plenty to cheer for.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Harbaugh is a reason not to hire college coaches???
shadyridr
Footballguy
huh Jim harbaugh was a phenomenal nfl head coach
ffldrew
Footballguy
Add the latest CBA to the list that limits practice contact. Olines are having difficulty getting cohesion in the running game and closer to full on game speeds. Olines are really terrible.
Offensive styles in college are getting farther from the NFL style. Broncos had a TE in camp and told the media that it was his first time in a huddle in his playing career.
Offensive styles in college are getting farther from the NFL style. Broncos had a TE in camp and told the media that it was his first time in a huddle in his playing career.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I hear Cmike is considering going into coaching to turn this thing around.
dschuler
Footballguy
Perfectly said. The only thing I would add is penalties and excessive challenges the last few years bog the game down even more. The Redzone is great to watch, but besides that it's tough.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lots of good points here. For me it's the constant changing of the rules, the increased penalties and replay. These all get at the same problems, there is no flow to a game and there's no reason to have any emotional reactions. Everything goes to replay where 1 second of real time is broken down into slow motion and turned into a process. It's fun cheering for TDs. Now, when a TD is scored, I don't cheer, I worry and start thinking of all the potential rules that could take the TD away.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
Until he wasn't. He had short term success but his style of leadership didn't gel in the nfl for long.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Pretty sure there are fewer concussions when guys step out of bounds instead of getting hit.
Todem
Footballguy
I have said this a lot the past 5 years. The game has changed drastically rule wise and presentation wise. It is over saturated, over hyped and over exposed to the point of nausea now. Replay has now fully destroyed officiating. You think it is a coincidence since replay came onto the scene officiating has accelerated in how bad it has become? They know they can blow calls now because all TD's and turnover are reviewable. Anything during the crucial moments of the game (near end of the game) is reviewable. Just review the whole ####### game while your at it.
Fans are being fleeced at the stadiums (and games suck balls live to begin with), and if you don't have Red Zone your being inundated with the same 10-15 commercials every ####### 30 minutes.
Thanks god for Red Zone. Otherwise I would probably be a one game and done fan on Sunday.
College football destroys Pro in every way.
Fans are being fleeced at the stadiums (and games suck balls live to begin with), and if you don't have Red Zone your being inundated with the same 10-15 commercials every ####### 30 minutes.
Thanks god for Red Zone. Otherwise I would probably be a one game and done fan on Sunday.
College football destroys Pro in every way.
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Todem
Footballguy
AWESOME POST.
It has destroyed the joy of watching a game in real time. I mean humans...we play in real time right? Not super slo mo HD right? Human eyes see things in real time and call games in real time right? So take human error out of the equation and that removes the human element of playing a sport.
There is no sport in replay. It's just wankery. And it sucks.
I can't stand it.
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grateful zed
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I've been meaning to write article about this for quite a while... I really think the rules to protect QBs and promote passing attacks has really hurt the game overall. In a nutshell, I think it has reduced the quality of QB play across the league for quite a few reasons. The most significant would be that backups get so few reps in games and practice. That reduces quality when backups do have to play (like this year). It also makes it tougher for teams with QB needs to find a player that's already in the league worthy of getting a shot.
grateful zed
Footballguy
this is a thread for posters with losing ff records.
Todem
Footballguy
BS......winning like always.
Product sucks though........it's not fun anymore. Rather play craps in Vegas.
Contrary data point: I'm about to be 11-0, and I agree with the sentiment. The game is much less watchable than it was a decade ago, and the root of the problem is that fans have to stop after every obviously good play and wait for the flags, then wait for the replays, then wonder if what they thought was a good play will actually be one this particular time.
It's fantasy success that keeps people like me watching the games anyway...I'm no longer a fan of the NFL nearly as much as I am a fan of my fantasy teams and players.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Actually things still going well for me, but that's more of a product of seeing which 10 players get hurt every week and guessing which backup will produce the best.
Chandarick and Langford taking me to the playoffs!
Todem
Footballguy
And seeing almost every fan have FF team and looking at their phones and not talking about the game itself but talking about their players.....it's just overkill already.
When I was watching a game socially 10-15 years ago....I seriously never talked about my fantasy team. Because most people had no clue what that was. Now everyone talks about their team and not the game.
It's a joke. It's over.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
This is a post from someone who's never played football and has no appreciation for what a great sport it is.
Exactly. I get tired of people on this site saying you are calling out games, refs, style of play because your FFL team sucks. No reason we can't critique the on field product.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Fortunately the NFL and its owners and teams don't care and nor do they need to care about what we think. The NFL's popularity has never been greater and the true money making machine it is will never die.
This is not to say some people here don't have good points, its just that they don't matter and no it will not eventually catch up to them.
This is not to say some people here don't have good points, its just that they don't matter and no it will not eventually catch up to them.
btemp
Footballguy
I am tempted to mock your ignorance, but I'll stick to a simple explanation:
First, when you widen the field it will make things easier on the offence so you can reduce the number of penalties. The ticky-tack pass interference and holding penalties are ridiculous and slow the game down, you could return the pre-2010s and actually let DBs/WRs battle for footballs while still maintaining the scoring (or increasing it). The actual result is that defenses would be handcuffed LESS because they could play real football rather than having to worry about touching the offensive player.
Second, "widening" the field means a range of possibilities. You could widen the fie,ld by a yard or by 10 yards depending on what you wanted to achieve. Whatever the increase, you'd increase the number of NFL-caliber QBs because you'd make reading the field easier and players would be more open. It could be a small difference or a big one, depending on how much you widened the field.
Third, you could get rid of a lot of the stupid contact flags they throw because of the wider field. Wider field = more open field tackles = fewer concussions, fewer injuries.
Ultimately, the NFL is mandating offensive scoring. Every year the number of penalties increases and they are largely to benefit the offense. Rather than increase offense arbitrarily (by penalties) you would increase offense by creating more space.
dschuler
Footballguy
Eventually what goes around comes around. I can't find it but I heard Mark Cuban not long ago kinda say that the NFL has had their day in the sun. I tend to agree. Every great empire falls, and football will be no different. This is the last year I believe until other sports slowly start gaining ground. Hockey has better contact, baseball has fewer replays, basketball has better athletes, college has better football. Fewer people are playing the sport at the youth level. Going to a game is full of drunk idiots everywhere, keeping some kids out of the stadium. The NFL rule book has never been more confusing. The NFL rule book has never been more inconsistent, which goes along with being confusing. Peyton Manning is about to retire, Concussion lawsuits, DFS shoved down our throats, DFS lawsuits, over saturation of advertising. I actually think FF is the a key thing holding the NFL above other sports as this point.
Ladsud
Footballguy
The NBA has to be good before I listen to Cuban. Theres a handfull of players that can make a jumper, NBA is garbage.
