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Experts sound alarm over American media’s celebratory tone of Chinese Communist Party’s 100-year anniversary
 

The mainstream media had a celebratory tone leading up to the 100-year anniversary of China’s Communist Party, and coverage of the "ominous" speech by China’s leader Xi Jinping to mark the event left experts sounding the alarm over the American press’ coverage of the communist nation. 

CNN was recently mocked as "Xi-N-N" for declaring Xi the "real star" of the celebration, while ABC News tweeted out a story about the CCP's anniversary with the caption, "PARTY TIME."

The fawning coverage of the CCP, which has been responsible for countless human rights abuses and killings, is the latest in a pattern of liberal media and tech giants using power and platforms to shape narratives that paint China in a positive light while suppressing information like the coronavirus lab-leak theory and downplaying brutal treatment of Uighur Muslims. 

"I think it's because a lot of news organizations want to do business in China, and so they are willing to soft-pedal coverage and they are not willing to give context where context is required," author Gordon Chang told Fox News. "I think there's the commercial motive there."

Xi spoke from Tiananmen Square on Thursday, reconfirming China’s "historic mission" to control Taiwan while warning other countries not to interfere with a combative tone. Chang feels the mainstream media didn’t pick up on an "important message" that was sent to America through the communist leader’s rhetoric. 

"What they should have said was that Xi Jinping has territorial designs on other countries. So really what he was saying was that he's going to wage war on the region. And that was not pointed out," Chang said, adding that most American media outlets lack context when covering China and failed to pick up on a key element of the speech. 

"Xi Jinping talked about how the ‘Communist Party of China and the Chinese people, with their bravery and tenacity, solemnly proclaim to the world that the Chinese people are not only good at taking down the old world, but also good at building a new one,’" Chang said. "That is ominous because this harks back to what Xi Jinping has been talking about for more than a decade … that the world really should be ruled by the Chinese. My sense is that really was the most critical line in the speech and it didn't get attention."

The glowing coverage of the CCP anniversary came as the United States prepares to celebrate its independence on July 4. Chang thinks reporters and pundits who glorify China should take some time to consider how it will impact the future of the U.S. during the holiday weekend. 

"We've got a media which is not patriotic by any means at a time where our society is at grave risk, and you have a Chinese media which is dominated by the Communist Party," Chang said, noting that Chinese media outlets are largely either state-run or simply "propagate the party line" because they are obligated.

"We've got a free media, which means that people can do whatever they want, but the problem is that we are educating a whole generation that doesn't understand the essential elements of our society and patriotism," Chang said. 

However, the "Great U.S.-China Tech War" author doesn’t place blame solely on the media.

"It's a criticism of our society," he said. "And it's a dynamic which could lead to the downfall of our republic."

David Stilwell, who served as the U.S. assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs from June 2019 until January, has been trying to get the American media to do a better job covering China for years. 

"This thing looks a lot more like the Soviet Union than the big, fuzzy panda they've been painting themselves as," Stilwell told Fox News, noting that American coverage often mirrors the agenda pushed by China. 

"They've done a really good job, actually, of focusing on what they call political warfare, information warfare, getting into our system, pushing their message," Stilwell said. "The media is going to police itself better … I think more than that, the American people are going to have to demand higher quality and not reward bad reporting and sensationalism." 

CNN was mocked earlier in June for publishing a report that boosted reports on China’s coronavirus vaccination rates, without appearing to question China's too-good-to-be-true statistics.

Stilwell agrees that many news organizations are soft on China because of economic incentives, but he also feels some reporters are simply unprepared. He thinks if American media outlets spent more time trying to understand China before jumping into coverage, then Xi and the CCP wouldn’t necessarily be treated so favorably.  

Atrocities committed by the CCP were recently listed by a bipartisan group of lawmakers, ranging from the annexation of Tibet in 1951 to the "grotesque human rights abuses" against the Uighurs in Xinjiang starting in 2017. 

"If they actually investigated more than about an hour, they'd see that this is Kim Il-sung, North Korea style cult of personality," Stilwell said. "It looks good on the surface at first blush. I don't think they're doing it because they particularly care for communism, I think that they're just jumping on what looks like a good news story."

Another issue Stilwell raised involves visas, and the fear that the CCP might not review them as a means of retaliation for coverage perceived as critical or negative by the communist government. He feels this could influence reporting by journalists in Beijing.

Stilwell also took exception to NBC News host Chuck Todd, who said last month that critics of China should "be careful of their words" because of a spike in hate crimes against Asian-Americans. 

"I think Chuck Todd should be ashamed of himself," Stilwell said. "Telling American leaders to self-censor, it’s the worst sort of pandering. What other country would we do that to?"

Chang didn’t appreciate Todd’s comment, either. 

"There's a regime that is trying to overthrow our government, so that is overriding, we need to be clear about it, we need to talk about it in candid tones," Chang said. "All hates crimes are wrong … but we have to defend our society and we have to be clear about this."

 
I haven’t seen any of this. The only recent coverage of China I’ve seen on CNN was criticism that the last free newspaper in Hong Kong was shut down. 

 
I haven’t seen any of this. The only recent coverage of China I’ve seen on CNN was criticism that the last free newspaper in Hong Kong was shut down. 
Even if this was true it is 1/1000 less harmful than the nonsense found on fox in my books

If true, sure, I agree they should celebrate that regime in any way shape or form.  I am firmly anti-china

But this is all part of the plan to pick away at legitimate media over the smallest things to discredit the larger whole.  

 
Yeah, I mean, Communism is the ultimate goal.  Every generation the left pushes us further and further left.

They've already embraced Socialism.  They support - and praise - Marxist groups like BLM and Antifa as well as Marxist theories like CRT.  Communism is the next logical step.  Socialism and Communism are kissin' cousins, anyways.

 
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Just like the NBA......they really piped down when they thought they would lose Chinese money.  Buncha hypocrites

 
We have been moving leftward, you are correct. We are nowhere near a comminist nation nor do 99.9% of liberals want to become one. Stop with the nonsense
It's not Conservatives who are electing people like AOC, Hirono, Warren, Sanders, Omar and numerous others as members of the Democrat Party.

Once enough of them get it then they don't have to worry about hiding it any further.  We've seen it throughout the 20th century how these steps ultimately lead to the totalitarianism of the left.

 
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It's not Conservatives who are electing people like AOC, Hirono, Warren, Sanders, Omar and numerous others as members of the Democrat Party.

Once enough of them get it then they don't have to worry about hiding it any further.  We've seen it throughout the 20th century how these steps ultimately lead to the totalitarianism of the left.
Which socialist policies have been enacted over the last 20 years?

 
Which socialist policies have been enacted over the last 20 years?
Not going to get into that with you as that is easily googled.  

My point was that the far left contingent of the Democrat Party grows every election.  You guys are not only NOT throwing them out of office, you're electing more and more.  All they need is a majority and they will soon get enough power to throw off the veil and show their true colors (but we can see a lot of that already).

Once they do get enough members in, the Democrat Party will need a name change.

Also, the fact that the lefty controlled MSM is cheering on Communist China should be a red flag too.

 
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Not going to get into that with you as that is easily googled.  

My point was that the far left contingent of the Democrat Party grows every election.  You guys are not only NOT throwing them out of office, you're electing more and more.  All they need is a majority and they will soon get enough power to throw off the veil and show their true colors (but we can see a lot of that already).
Our Constitution prevents a full unit shift, don't you think?  It's going to the waaay more than a simple majority.

 
Not going to get into that with you as that is easily googled.  

My point was that the far left contingent of the Democrat Party grows every election.  You guys are not only NOT throwing them out of office, you're electing more and more.  All they need is a majority and they will soon get enough power to throw off the veil and show their true colors (but we can see a lot of that already).

Once they do get enough members in, the Democrat Party will need a name change.

Also, the fact that the lefty controlled MSM is cheering on Communist China should be a red flag too.
I am curious which policies support your claim of "Communism is the ultimate goal.  Every generation the left pushes us further and further left.". I am not sure I agree with that statement. I do agree that progressives seem to be gaining numbers in the democratic party at the moment. I have yet to see them have any major effect on the policy decisions, but open to being proven wrong.

 
I really hope with all his talk, BR refuses to use any program in the US that might be socialist in nature, as evil as it evidently is.  

 
BladeRunner said:
We've seen it throughout the 20th century how these steps ultimately lead to the totalitarianism of the left.
We've seen succesful democracies turn into leftist totalitarianism regimes because there were 6 or 7 of hundreds that were super liberal?

 
We've seen it throughout the 20th century how these steps ultimately lead to the totalitarianism of the left.

Where have we seen this happen to a succesful democracy?
The answer is never. 
@BladeRunner has made these assertions before and he has never been able to back them up. I have tried to suggest that he read some books on this subject. If he did so he would learn that there is no relationship between liberals and communists, and there is no slippery slope into communism. 

 
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Our Constitution prevents a full unit shift, don't you think?  It's going to the waaay more than a simple majority.
We just better hope the far left that seems to be gaining traction with young people, doesnt become the Dem majority......cuz they think capitalism is evil, and they want to blow up the constitution.

 
We just better hope the far left that seems to be gaining traction with young people, doesnt become the Dem majority......cuz they think capitalism is evil, and they want to blow up the constitution.
To be fair, I see more right wingers wanting to blow up the constitution than left wingers.

 
To be fair, I see more right wingers wanting to blow up the constitution than left wingers.
Come on man....the lefts attack on how our country is built is gaining traction, and out in the open.  

You're referring to a handful of extremists?   I would say that the good majority of conservatives are strongly patriotic and believe in our constitution.

 
Come on man....the lefts attack on how our country is built is gaining traction, and out in the open.  

You're referring to a handful of extremists?   I would say that the good majority of conservatives are strongly patriotic and believe in our constitution.
Just callin it like I see it.  I've seen 2 right wingers pushing for ripping up the constitution in this forum in the last week, zero lefties.  

For reference, it's a handful of extremists that want to tear down this country. You don't get to call them out and then cite "a handful of extremists" in the same post.

 
Just callin it like I see it.  I've seen 2 right wingers pushing for ripping up the constitution in this forum in the last week, zero lefties.  

For reference, it's a handful of extremists that want to tear down this country. You don't get to call them out and then cite "a handful of extremists" in the same post.
Interesting....

I see story after story about lefties pissed about national anthem or talking about how the constitution is "not for them", etc.....I mean it's all over the place!

I'm around a fair amount of conservatives on my day to day, and none of em that I know of anyway, are racist.  They all believe in our country.  They believe in the constitution for ALL.  That's what I see.  The left is blinded by their rage.  Most of us know we have things in place, we just need to execute better.  It's that simple

 
Interesting....

I see story after story about lefties pissed about national anthem or talking about how the constitution is "not for them", etc.....I mean it's all over the place!

I'm around a fair amount of conservatives on my day to day, and none of em that I know of anyway, are racist.  They all believe in our country.  They believe in the constitution for ALL.  That's what I see.  The left is blinded by their rage.  Most of us know we have things in place, we just need to execute better.  It's that simple
It's not that simple, when you think the right has a monopoly on love for our country and the left is blinded by rage.

Start a poll - see if the allegedly left leaning FBG are pissed about the national anthem or the constitution. 

 
XiNN, who comes up with these puns?  I had not seen fawning coverage of China but I'm not a XiNN reader, so I tried to click links in the FoxNews article to see examples and all the links led to other FoxNews content?  Is that normal?  A perpetual loop of FoxNews with no chance to fact check?

 
Just callin it like I see it.  I've seen 2 right wingers pushing for ripping up the constitution in this forum in the last week, zero lefties.  

For reference, it's a handful of extremists that want to tear down this country. You don't get to call them out and then cite "a handful of extremists" in the same post.
Link?  My guess is that this was not explicitly stated but inferred by you.

 
XiNN, who comes up with these puns?  I had not seen fawning coverage of China but I'm not a XiNN reader, so I tried to click links in the FoxNews article to see examples and all the links led to other FoxNews content?  Is that normal?  A perpetual loop of FoxNews with no chance to fact check?
It’s pretty standard.  Most news outlets won’t provide links to competitors’ websites, for obvious reasons.

 
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Yeah, I mean, Communism is the ultimate goal.  Every generation the left pushes us further and further left.

They've already embraced Socialism.  They support - and praise - Marxist groups like BLM and Antifa as well as Marxist theories like CRT.  Communism is the next logical step.  Socialism and Communism are kissin' cousins, anyways.
Our tax rates have been plummeting for 70 years, and we're pretty much the only industrialized country left without national healthcare. 

I'm not sure how the case can be made that "every generation the left pushes us further and further left". 

 
Our tax rates have been plummeting for 70 years, and we're pretty much the only industrialized country left without national healthcare. 

I'm not sure how the case can be made that "every generation the left pushes us further and further left". 
So tax rates and National Healthcare are the two sole arbiters of whether the country is moving left or not? :lol:

And that's if your statements are even true.  I explained it above. The far-left contingent of the democratic party grows with every election. That ain't slowing down that's speeding up.

 
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So tax rates and National Healthcare are the two sole arbiters of whether the country is moving left or not? :lol:

And that's if your statements are even true.  I explained it above. The far-left contingent of the democratic party grows with every election. That ain't slowing down that's speeding up.
I brought up two pretty major policies that have been trending right, and certainly don't indicate a country trending left. We also have more guns per capita than any other country, by an absolutely massive margin (no value judgement there, I love my guns). 

Heck, you could argue that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were a little to the right of center, and maybe that we haven't had an actual liberal/progressive President since FDR. Jimmy Carter is still our only true southern evangelical President and hated the welfare state (and yet, today's southern Evangelicals would just as soon call him the devil rather than call him an Evangelical). 

But the point is, if you say this country is trending left, you're going to need more evidence than that half of a half a dozen Congresspeople seem progressive. Because the evidence to the contrary seems pretty overwhelming. 

 
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Its done better than any other system in the history of the world.  That's not even debatable.   
True. I mean we can’t provide our citizens decent healthcare or education or infrastructure or time off or humane employment or a marginally functioning political system but still marginally true. 
 

Biggest flaw of capitalism is we are willing to eat a large portion of the population for the benefit of a relative few. I’ve done well but it bothers me a lot we leave so many behind. Maybe we could soften up the edges some? 

 
Employer based healthcare for instance is a complete joke. It’s just weird and we can’t seem to get away from it. Provide healthcare for your employees employer but don’t you dare ask them a question about their health. Bizarre. 

 
Employer based healthcare for instance is a complete joke. It’s just weird and we can’t seem to get away from it. Provide healthcare for your employees employer but don’t you dare ask them a question about their health. Bizarre. 
Untrue.  

a) nothing requires employers to provide healthcare. 

b) we've required heath screenings (questions) and blood panels in order to get the lowest premiums. 

Employers provide all kinds of perks to entice employees from retirement plans to vehicles. I dont see why healthcare should be any different.  

 
Untrue.  

a) nothing requires employers to provide healthcare. 
Well that’s not completely accurate.  For part time employees no.  If they have 50 or more full time employees they are required too or pay a fine.  

 
True. I mean we can’t provide our citizens decent healthcare or education or infrastructure or time off or humane employment or a marginally functioning political system but still marginally true. 
 

Biggest flaw of capitalism is we are willing to eat a large portion of the population for the benefit of a relative few. I’ve done well but it bothers me a lot we leave so many behind. Maybe we could soften up the edges some? 
It rewards people who put in the effort and can better themselves. I saw this all weekend.  

 
It rewards people who put in the effort and can better themselves. I saw this all weekend.  
That really implies working class people somehow deserve to be poor. Not to mention an inflated sense of self worth to those who have “made it”. It says we are willing to let a certain cross section of America live in poverty. It’s simply immoral to live in the richest country in the world and allow people who work full time to struggle to meet basic needs. That’s the end game of unfettered capitalism. And it has been throughout our country’s history. 

 
[The government imposes wage and price controls, with the unintended result being that nearly all workers now have their health insurance tied to their place of employment, an outcome that all economists everywhere think is a dumb and wildly sub-optimal outcome.]

Jackstraw: Why would capitalism do this?

 
[The government imposes wage and price controls, with the unintended result being that nearly all workers now have their health insurance tied to their place of employment, an outcome that all economists everywhere think is a dumb and wildly sub-optimal outcome.]

Jackstraw: Why would capitalism do this?
My understanding is that employers offered health insurance as a benefit, trying to attract and retain workers in the post WWII boom.  They found a loophole where they could write off premiums as a business expense, and things took off from there.  More of a capitalism-based approach, with the government ultimately bending over backwards to encourage  indentured servitude.

 
 They found a loophole
I think you put the cart before the horse here. They were mightily encouraged by government to provide for their employees' health care through WWII. They were able to deduct that as a business expense. That was no loophole, that was almost begging them to do so. This was in exchange for what IK said, the imposition of wage and price controls. Then, when Eisenhower came along in 1953, instead of ending it, he codified it anew into law to avoid having a government-run insurance for all. That's what IK is talking about, I believe. The wage and price controls of WWII with the trade of not taxing employee health benefits.

 
My understanding is that employers offered health insurance as a benefit, trying to attract and retain workers in the post WWII boom.  They found a loophole where they could write off premiums as a business expense, and things took off from there.  More of a capitalism-based approach, with the government ultimately bending over backwards to encourage  indentured servitude.
I dont understand the use of the word loophole here?

Are there any expenses for employees that you cant treat as an expense? 

(Unless you mean loophole for avoiding payroll taxes but i don't think that is how you meant it since that isn't how you worded it) 

 
My understanding is that employers offered health insurance as a benefit, trying to attract and retain workers in the post WWII boom.  They found a loophole where they could write off premiums as a business expense, and things took off from there.  More of a capitalism-based approach, with the government ultimately bending over backwards to encourage  indentured servitude.
Yes, this came about because firms found a loophole to get around wage controls.  That's the opposite of capitalism, which would involve letting firms choose their own wage-benefits packages.

 
[The government imposes wage and price controls, with the unintended result being that nearly all workers now have their health insurance tied to their place of employment, an outcome that all economists everywhere think is a dumb and wildly sub-optimal outcome.]

Jackstraw: Why would capitalism do this?
Yep. I'm aware of the origins but the proliferation of it since has been lobbied for by private industry. The concept of maximizing profits vs people's health has so many instances of failure for the common welfare its crazy. 

If there's an area where some good ol' fashioned socialism is in order its healthcare. I mean private industry profits by lowering expenses which means offering less service and/or raising prices. The pharmaceutical industry in particular is hosing us raw. I've gone round and round with the healthcare industry on behalf of my employees.   

I don't understand why we so freely literally hand our lives over to rich men on corporate boards as if they have our best interests in mind anymore than government does. As least I have a vote with the latter. 

Plus literally every sizable business in America has to some extent become experts on healthcare. I have enough trouble being an expert in my own field. What a drag on the economy. Also how many budding entrepreneurs are out there ready to do something incredible but for being prisoner to their employment for healthcare? ACA solves some of this but imperfectly at best.    

 

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