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This site needs an ombudsman (1 Viewer)

Soooo......enlighten me as to whether or not this is an office I should attempt to bribe? What's in it for me?

 
Harry Manback said:
Smoo said:
Dear Mr. Pickles,When I set up my profile, the site asked me which NFL team is my favourite. So I picked one. It seems that information has now been construed to mean I "follow closely" said team, as evidenced by the informational sidebar of this post. Since I haven't watched a single NFL game in about 2 years and couldn't name 4 players on my team, this is clearly not true.Where does the fault lie here?
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I can field this one Mr. P.It was an option, not a requirement.I apologize if it appeared you had to select something, but actually you're able to select "none" as an option.
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But I do have a favourite NFL team. I answered the question honestly. But that's not the same thing as "follows closely".
 
Smoo said:
Harry Manback said:
Smoo said:
Dear Mr. Pickles,When I set up my profile, the site asked me which NFL team is my favourite. So I picked one. It seems that information has now been construed to mean I "follow closely" said team, as evidenced by the informational sidebar of this post. Since I haven't watched a single NFL game in about 2 years and couldn't name 4 players on my team, this is clearly not true.Where does the fault lie here?
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I can field this one Mr. P.It was an option, not a requirement.I apologize if it appeared you had to select something, but actually you're able to select "none" as an option.
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But I do have a favourite NFL team. I answered the question honestly. But that's not the same thing as "follows closely".
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I think you have a legitimate beef.
 
Smoo said:
Harry Manback said:
Smoo said:
Dear Mr. Pickles,When I set up my profile, the site asked me which NFL team is my favourite. So I picked one. It seems that information has now been construed to mean I "follow closely" said team, as evidenced by the informational sidebar of this post. Since I haven't watched a single NFL game in about 2 years and couldn't name 4 players on my team, this is clearly not true.Where does the fault lie here?
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I can field this one Mr. P.It was an option, not a requirement.I apologize if it appeared you had to select something, but actually you're able to select "none" as an option.
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But I do have a favourite NFL team. I answered the question honestly. But that's not the same thing as "follows closely".
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They need a 3rd option, like "follows a few steps behind".
 
Mr. Pickles said:
On the Forum Moderation at Footballguys: A Grossly Selective Retrospective, 2003-2010

By Mr. Pickles

FBG (unofficial) Ombudsman

A key dilemma of any online forum is how to best moderate its users. When footballguys.com moved its forums to new and improved servers on April 14, 2003, it marked not only a defining moment in the site's history, but also introduced new and complex issues associated with the popularity of a highly trafficked forum. Gone was "Ol' Yeller," which had served admirably but was archaic, unkempt, and in need of upgrading, and in came "Baby Blue," a site that was fresh, dynamic, and dare I say, a little bit sexy.

Much like the California Gold Rush of the 19th century, over-eager users flooded the new forums with wide-eyed dreams of fortune and prosperity, eager to make an indelible mark on this nascent community. Some, like Zippy, were perhaps a bit too eager and posted recklessly only to burn out under the burden of lofty expectations. Others abused their new-found freedoms by embedding absurdly large pics of well-endowed starlets directly into their posts. Some sought to bring their unique personalities to bear and made outlandish statements about 33" verts and exploding sliders.

Quickly, within hours really, site moderators knew they weren't in Kansas anymore. Their pollyanna notions of "Ol' Yeller" had been obliterated, and it wasn't clear where things were going.

Behind the scenes, paid staff (Joe) had to determine how to balance the interests of the main site which provided "exclusive" fantasy football content, like AVT which was thieved from Kid C, with those of the user forums. Within the forums, there was a growing divide between the "Shark Pool" (SP), which dealt in the high value currency of whom one should start each week, and the "Free For All" (FFA) which was primarily interested in who had the best rack. Of course there were other subforums as well, such as the Test Forum and Secret Mod Forum, but these were largely populated by drifters and malcontents who barely merit mention. The critical question was: "what is best for business?" What level of moderation should be deployed? Was it better to let the inmates run the asylum, or should a community be held to a standard that mother would be proud of? And how will all of this mesh with Dodds' out-of-control gambling addiction?

Within days of the new forum roll out, "Baby Blue" was a baby no longer. Restrictions were put in place to ensure that users did not abuse the system. Initially these changes were small, like the restriction of the IMG tag, where justification was related to things like "server load." However, users started to suspect something different was afoot, and over time there were time outs issued for content, and even bannings. Now, to be fair, this was nothing new. Ol' Yeller had its share of heavy-handedness at times, but perhaps against the backdrop of the new color scheme, the actions of the moderating team seemed a bit over-the-top given the vim and vigor of its ADHD user base.

As the site reached the toddler stage, a reasonable precedent had been established where line-steppers were dealt with, and most were able to abide by the request to keep things to ESPN standards. That is, if Stuart Scott can say it and likely butcher it, it's probably okay for the site. And so it went. Cliques were formed, posters were ridiculed, Joe T's paranoia grew, people were stalked, marriages were broken up... all in the name of good fun.

So when did things change? On or around April 2007 when Shick!, the self-proclaimed "board cop," left the site*... sorta. Of course his exit was loud, it was bombastic, it was public, and honestly, it was probably long overdue. However, Shick! endured an ugly incident where a rogue poster decided to play some real-life werewolf with everyone's favorite math teacher:

Phone rang. Someone called my classroom. That's pretty messed up. They had some choice words for me and my tactics. I hung up pretty quick. They called again shortly thereafter. I unplugged the phone after that. When I got home that night I couldn't not tell my wife. We're best friends and just can't keep secrets from each other. We agreed the best thing was for me to stop being the board cop. I'm currently the lightning rod for criticism of our board moderation. Will somebody show up at my door someday looking to take out their frustrations? I doubt it, but why take that chance? There are some fairly unstable people out there.
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Anyone would be shaken up by an incident like that. Anyone. Even a T-Rex like BGP. Was this an indictment of Shick!'s practices as "board cop?" It was not. Sure the guy got a little jazzed up at times and exacted some personal vendettas on posters, but for the most part he was semi-to-mostly fair, he was pretty careful, he sure as heck meant well, and he was maybe even respected. The job isn't easy.. it's thankless, and very few could probably do it with any proficiency, but for four years, Mr. Factorial did a pretty good job and gave it his level best. Not everyone knows when they've lost their fastball, but Shick! knew it and he got out. Sure he might have threatened to fight a guy or two, and maybe he made a few false accusations especially after a Seahawks loss, but you try being a mod; the pay is lousy and your approval ratings are usually below that of Congress.With the exit of Shick! came the end of what can only be called the "High Renaissance" in the FFA. The late night clique parties, the spontaneous milker drafts, the serious talk of Marshall Faulk's ball cancer: all gone. Sure, Napoleon self-exiled to Elba, but what did we get in his place? Louis the flippin' XVIII: the faceless mod. The boogeyman. Your worst moderating nightmare. Gone were the personalized, usually antagonistic, PMs vaguely informing you about your offense. There was no pleading for mercy here. He wanted to crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women. One day you make a comment about a Bush Twin (even the fat one), and the next day you're clipped for a year (ed: please don't clip me for a year). That's how faceless mod rolls, and you'd best get out of his way. To this day, no one really knows who or what the faceless mod is. Maybe a Drinen Markov-chain algorithm? Maybe Wimer on a bender? It's kind of a mystery, but what's known is that things changed. "Same as day one" was a myth. Welcome to the serious business era.

It was around this time that Footballguys started toying with the idea of advertising. While the management of this site protested vociferously about the relative value of the FFA forum and often threatened to shut it down with all of the seriousness of Fred Thompson's 2008 presidential candidacy, the facade of that threat eroded even further with the implementation of a direct revenue stream tied to forum traffic. No longer was it necessary to talk about the theoretical connection between forum use and increased subscriber fees, you could suddenly put a dollar sign on all of those aliases, threads about one man playing Madden, and metrosexual fashion talk. And really, all the better for the two or three guys that get paid by this site, but at least one of the shadowy curtains obfuscating this operation had been pulled back. The Tin Man may not have gotten that heart he so desperately wanted, but he probably could have bought one on the black market.

So where do we stand in 2010? Is this the change we can believe in? I think it's safe to say that "same as day one" is more dead than Generalissimo Franco. The standard of ESPN, and recently "PG," has devolved into "whatever you can tell your grandmother without making her blush." Now, surely there are habitual line-steppers and people that need to be "dealt" with, however the vast majority of people in this forum are adults with real responsibilities and families of their own. They're used to engaging in grown up conversations and reasoning with people through meaningful discourse. It's been a while since they've been told to "cool it," "find a new board," or "go no avatar for now." And really, the hyperconservative content policy is a little out of step with the current state of internet communities and businesses. Of course there are considerations to be made about the product and how its represented, even some legal issues to factor in, but when someone can go to Yahoo or Facebook and read countless spam posts about people being "first," solicitations for hot tranny pr0n, and offers of human trafficking, I think it's safe to say that people don't expect to be nannied to death and that most clear thinking adults realize that your users aren't necessarily a reflection of your product. The idea that you're sheltering anyone from the big bad world or somehow upholding this site as some kind of internet utopia is a bit myopic and naïve.

Should we then advocate for an "anything goes" style of moderation? Absolutely not, but let's be reasonable here. We'll get quite far with a common sense approach. If the content is clearly out of bounds to the point that many object, that's a good starting benchmark. The language filter should be calibrated in accordance with this. Most appreciate the "safe for work" vibe of the site, but not the odd censoring of weird things like STEU into "be quiet please" (try it yourself), which makes not a lick of sense anyway. When people are openly laughing incredulously at various policies and editorial choices, it might be time to rethink them. And it's okay to say you're wrong. Really. Use Thomas Alva Edison as inspiration. Sometimes, against your better judgment, things turn out to be not only popular at large, but good for business too.

In the end, this site, and this forum in particular, are the property of the owners, and that is what everyone understands and appreciates implicitly, to the point that many posters have that line programmed as a macro on their keyboard. It is the conclusion of this ombudsman, however, that relatively small and targeted changes would not only improve the general user experience, but the bottom line as well, without sacrificing that 99.44% level of purity that we've all come to expect. Consistency should be a goal, along with a more personal approach. Perhaps a user roundtable would be productive? Or maybe an expert consultant? Or nothing could be done, and things could continue to be "the same as day one" much as Rome is still the dominant world empire.

Until next time...

* Member 6, formerly held by Shick at the time of that post, was later auctioned off.
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:subscribe: :thumbup:

 
Lots of old timers coming back out of the woodwork. Maybe lots of you guys really just are here for the football stuff.

 
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?

 
Smoo said:
Harry Manback said:
Smoo said:
Dear Mr. Pickles,When I set up my profile, the site asked me which NFL team is my favourite. So I picked one. It seems that information has now been construed to mean I "follow closely" said team, as evidenced by the informational sidebar of this post. Since I haven't watched a single NFL game in about 2 years and couldn't name 4 players on my team, this is clearly not true.Where does the fault lie here?
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I can field this one Mr. P.It was an option, not a requirement.I apologize if it appeared you had to select something, but actually you're able to select "none" as an option.
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But I do have a favourite NFL team. I answered the question honestly. But that's not the same thing as "follows closely".
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I have a similar problem offline. We recently joined the local Chamber of Commerce and they gave us a sign and some other stuff that says we're "Proud Members of the Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce." But I'm not all that proud of it. What I need is a "Mildly Enthused" or "Largely Ambivalent" sign.
 
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Ditto. :confused:
 
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Dear "Celph,"It's one of the more arbitrary "punishments" on this site. I'd like to do away with the practice.

Open the door, get on the floor. Everybody walk the dinosaur,

MP

 
Mr. Pickles said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Dear "Celph,"It's one of the more arbitrary "punishments" on this site. I'd like to do away with the practice.



Open the door, get on the floor. Everybody walk the dinosaur,

MP
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:lmao:
 
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
 
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
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Beej?
 
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
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It seems that I'm pretty well-liked around here. :goodposting:
 
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
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It seems that I'm pretty well-liked around here. :lmao:
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That's a poor judging standard.Answer this for me: what was the purpose of that thread you started earlier about Joe and David? I suspect that its sole purpose for you was to get them all riled up. And that's lame.

I've done many things in my past that have riled up Joe and David, but it was always just a side effect of something else. A heated argument, an amusing theme in a thread, whatever. The difference here is for you, stirring the #### is your primary mission. And that's just weak.

You're a naturally funny guy and have a good wit. I just really wish you'd use it more constructively.

 
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
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It seems that I'm pretty well-liked around here. :)
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That's a poor judging standard.Answer this for me: what was the purpose of that thread you started earlier about Joe and David? I suspect that its sole purpose for you was to get them all riled up. And that's lame.

I've done many things in my past that have riled up Joe and David, but it was always just a side effect of something else. A heated argument, an amusing theme in a thread, whatever. The difference here is for you, stirring the #### is your primary mission. And that's just weak.

You're a naturally funny guy and have a good wit. I just really wish you'd use it more constructively.
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The premise/responses are funny because Joe and David are two extremely different guys. On Easter, I'm sure Joe went to church, and had a nice family dinner, and had a very safe, G-rated, lovely day. Meanwhile, David participated in this: link dressed as Elmo. Dodds, and I mean this in the best possible way, is a maniac. His postings here about poker, while delightful, are the work of a crazy person. That, to me, is funny. Or at least potentially funny.I also find it funny that you find me as a source of problems ont his board when your name is synonymous on this board with not paying money owed. What was the reason for that, anyway?

 
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
Celph Titled said:
Hi Mr. P:

For branding purposes, it would be optimal for me to use my original nom, which is pretty well-known at this point.

The problem is, that name has been deemed verboten by one of the administrators that runs this site. And honestly, I can't even remember why. I doubt he can either.

What avenues of recourse do I have here?
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Maybe it's because you are constantly attempting to push the boundaries and cause trouble within the community. Maybe you just shut up and enjoy the place instead of incessantly trying to damage it.
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It seems that I'm pretty well-liked around here. :shrug:
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That's a poor judging standard.Answer this for me: what was the purpose of that thread you started earlier about Joe and David? I suspect that its sole purpose for you was to get them all riled up. And that's lame.

I've done many things in my past that have riled up Joe and David, but it was always just a side effect of something else. A heated argument, an amusing theme in a thread, whatever. The difference here is for you, stirring the #### is your primary mission. And that's just weak.

You're a naturally funny guy and have a good wit. I just really wish you'd use it more constructively.
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The premise/responses are funny because Joe and David are two extremely different guys. On Easter, I'm sure Joe went to church, and had a nice family dinner, and had a very safe, G-rated, lovely day. Meanwhile, David participated in this: link dressed as Elmo. Dodds, and I mean this in the best possible way, is a maniac. His postings here about poker, while delightful, are the work of a crazy person. That, to me, is funny. Or at least potentially funny.I also find it funny that you find me as a source of problems ont his board when your name is synonymous on this board with not paying money owed. What was the reason for that, anyway?
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To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.

 
Truckasaurus, Sociopath does have a nice ring to it.

He should print up some business cards.

 
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Smoo said:
To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.
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Did I just make this up? You've never welshed on money owed to a FF league? My point is that maybe you should get your own house in order before you start pointing fingers, especially when you've built a reputation at this board as a renowned word that rhymes with "mass pole." (See, I'm trying to be better)
 
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.

This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.
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Did I just make this up? You've never welshed on money owed to a FF league? My point is that maybe you should get your own house in order before you start pointing fingers, especially when you've built a reputation at this board as a renowned word that rhymes with "mass pole." (See, I'm trying to be better)
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I give. What rhymes with mass pole?
 
jon_mx said:
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.

This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.
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Did I just make this up? You've never welshed on money owed to a FF league? My point is that maybe you should get your own house in order before you start pointing fingers, especially when you've built a reputation at this board as a renowned word that rhymes with "mass pole." (See, I'm trying to be better)
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I give. What rhymes with mass pole?
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Glass Mole.
 
jon_mx said:
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.

This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.
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Did I just make this up? You've never welshed on money owed to a FF league? My point is that maybe you should get your own house in order before you start pointing fingers, especially when you've built a reputation at this board as a renowned word that rhymes with "mass pole." (See, I'm trying to be better)
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I give. What rhymes with mass pole?
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Glass Bowl?Lass Mole?

Pass Soul?

Oh.....I get it.....

 
Celph Titled said:
Smoo said:
To whom do I money? Give me a name, I'll send them a check.This is what I've been saying. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are just trying to cause chaos. To what end? What is your goal, and why are you doing it? It's not productive. You're actively attempting to tear down a community. That's sociopathic.
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Did I just make this up? You've never welshed on money owed to a FF league? My point is that maybe you should get your own house in order before you start pointing fingers, especially when you've built a reputation at this board as a renowned word that rhymes with "mass pole." (See, I'm trying to be better)
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We can talk about me all you like once you answer my initial questions. Quit dodging.
 
Otis said:
Pickles,

What is your position on werewolf?

Thanks,

Oats
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There is a loaded question. Like throwing an abortion or gay marriage bomb to a politician. I suppose we will get the standard spin. "Because of my faith, I personally oppose warewolf. We need to reduce the number of warewolf threads, but yet still protect the rights of those who wish to participate."
 
Otis said:
Pickles,What is your position on werewolf?Thanks,Oats
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Hello Mr. Otis,First off, congratulations on all of the big changes in your life. You must be very excited. Send my best to the future Mrs. Otis. Werewolfers should be dragged out back and shot. MP
 
Mr. Pickles said:
Otis said:
Pickles,What is your position on werewolf?Thanks,Oats
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Hello Mr. Otis,First off, congratulations on all of the big changes in your life. You must be very excited. Send my best to the future Mrs. Otis. Werewolfers should be dragged out back and shot. MP
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Well now we need a second ombudsman to act for issues between werewolfers and the current ombudsman.
 
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