What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

This woman is awful... (1 Viewer)

Used to piss me off when I was in the Army and there would be some work we had to do at, like, 6pm and they'd send all the married people home and make the single people stay.  Like I didn't want to get home, too.

 
Ignoring for a minute that this is mostly ridiculous, I have a problem with this:

"But the more I thought about it, the more I came to believe in the value of a “meternity” leave — which is, to me, a sabbatical-like break that allows women and, to a lesser degree, men to shift their focus to the part of their lives that doesn’t revolve around their jobs."

Why men to a lesser degree?  If her argument were every non-parent then I would still think it's ridiculous but it would make more sense.  Screw you lady.

 
Ignoramus said:
Used to piss me off when I was in the Army and there would be some work we had to do at, like, 6pm and they'd send all the married people home and make the single people stay.  Like I didn't want to get home, too.
Click to expand...
She had a point with that angle but then butchered herself with the rest of the article.

 
Yeah, recovering from childbirth and taking care of a newborn...oh what heavenly "me" time that is!  What a dope.

 
Ignoramus said:
Used to piss me off when I was in the Army and there would be some work we had to do at, like, 6pm and they'd send all the married people home and make the single people stay.  Like I didn't want to get home, too.
Click to expand...
What about the fact that we pay a "being single" tax in this country?  Total Horse####, it should be the other way around.  I'm married so I wouldn't really want that, but it is ridiculous.  

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Why people worry about what "other people get" is beyond me.
Click to expand...
You can blame that on all the parents who have multiple children.  You learn to care at an early age when your brother or sister has something that you don't.  That's why the Chinese aren't as selfish and entitled as Americans...

 
I take it she isn't familiar with the term, "sabbatical." Because that seems to be exactly what she's suggesting.  And it already exists. 

 
She's managed to frame this in a way that loser internet trolls and mommies, the two worst groups of humans on the planet, are both going to hate her. It takes some finesse and skill to be that awful. I kind of admire it.

 
She even said the correct word in the article, but then went back to whining about other people's issues.

 
AAABatteries said:
Ignoring for a minute that this is mostly ridiculous, I have a problem with this:

"But the more I thought about it, the more I came to believe in the value of a “meternity” leave — which is, to me, a sabbatical-like break that allows women and, to a lesser degree, men to shift their focus to the part of their lives that doesn’t revolve around their jobs."

Why men to a lesser degree?  If her argument were every non-parent then I would still think it's ridiculous but it would make more sense.  Screw you lady.
Click to expand...
The exact same line jumped out at me.  I'm a big fan of work-life balance, and I'm happy that I work in an industry that values that (academia).  But that holds just as much for men as it does for women.  

 
As a non-breeder, I find the idea of maternity leave ridiculous.  Why should the government or a company be forced to give you time off for decisions you made with your genitals in your free time?  I'm a type I diabetic.  I have to go to doctors' appointments to get the advice and medicine that keeps me alive.  It's not a choice.  Why should I have to take pto to take care of a life-threatening illness while others can get free time off just for banging?  

There should be some sort of sabbatical system than anyone can use.  Hiring companies can then look at your vacation record and make a decision about what kind of employee they think you would be.

 
dparker713 said:
Breeders do get a bunch of advantages, but isn't most maternity leave unpaid?
Click to expand...
I don't know how it is handled elsewhere, but my wife was legally allowed to take up 12 weeks.  None of them were paid.  She could take 12 weeks of vacation/sick leave or she could take 12 weeks unpaid.  She could also take any combination.  If she only had six weeks vacation, she could take 6 paid/6 unpaid.

 
technicaldifficulties said:
As a non-breeder, I find the idea of maternity leave ridiculous.  Why should the government or a company be forced to give you time off for decisions you made with your genitals in your free time?  I'm a type I diabetic.  I have to go to doctors' appointments to get the advice and medicine that keeps me alive.  It's not a choice.  Why should I have to take pto to take care of a life-threatening illness while others can get free time off just for banging?  

There should be some sort of sabbatical system than anyone can use.  Hiring companies can then look at your vacation record and make a decision about what kind of employee they think you would be.
Click to expand...
Like one commenter on Amazon said, "you'll be thankful in 40 years that I took the time off to raise my kids when their taxes are paying for YOUR medicare".

 
Last edited by a moderator:
technicaldifficulties said:
As a non-breeder, I find the idea of maternity leave ridiculous.  Why should the government or a company be forced to give you time off for decisions you made with your genitals in your free time?  I'm a type I diabetic.  I have to go to doctors' appointments to get the advice and medicine that keeps me alive.  It's not a choice.  Why should I have to take pto to take care of a life-threatening illness while others can get free time off just for banging?  

There should be some sort of sabbatical system than anyone can use.  Hiring companies can then look at your vacation record and make a decision about what kind of employee they think you would be.
Click to expand...
AAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaammmmmmmmmen!

 
technicaldifficulties said:
As a non-breeder, I find the idea of maternity leave ridiculous.  Why should the government or a company be forced to give you time off for decisions you made with your genitals in your free time?  I'm a type I diabetic.  I have to go to doctors' appointments to get the advice and medicine that keeps me alive.  It's not a choice.  Why should I have to take pto to take care of a life-threatening illness while others can get free time off just for banging?  

There should be some sort of sabbatical system than anyone can use.  Hiring companies can then look at your vacation record and make a decision about what kind of employee they think you would be.
Click to expand...
You realize (likely not based on your post and lack of intellectual undersranding...sorry for the multiple syllable words)..here's the thing.  Women take disability when they take maternity leave.  They have to normally use all of their PTO, vacation, etc. first then they get paid a fraction of a percent that they earned.  You know the real reward they get? An "equivalent" position when they return.  Not THE positions, but an equivalent.

So, thanks for playing, but you don't know ####.  Tell us why YOU have diabetes.  If its genetic or a medical issue outside of your control, then that sucks and I'm sorry, however, based on your post you suck.

 
xulf said:
You realize (likely not based on your post and lack of intellectual undersranding...sorry for the multiple syllable words)..here's the thing.  Women take disability when they take maternity leave.  They have to normally use all of their PTO, vacation, etc. first then they get paid a fraction of a percent that they earned.  You know the real reward they get? An "equivalent" position when they return.  Not THE positions, but an equivalent.

So, thanks for playing, but you don't know ####.  Tell us why YOU have diabetes.  If its genetic or a medical issue outside of your control, then that sucks and I'm sorry, however, based on your post you suck.
Click to expand...
It's type I.  I've had it since freshman year in college.  My mom and sister have it, too.  Recently, I got diagnosed with diabetic gastroperesis.  Basically, my stomach doesn't process food quickly enough so I get random, week-long puking episodes. Just went to the ER yesterday.  Check with whoknew, if you think I'm joking.  How's your health going?

I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to take time off.  I'm saying that there should be a system where everyone can take time off for health care reasons.  Why is this added benefit only open to people who decide to breed?  

 
technicaldifficulties said:
It's type I.  I've had it since freshman year in college.  My mom and sister have it, too.  Recently, I got diagnosed with diabetic gastroperesis.  Basically, my stomach doesn't process food quickly enough so I get random, week-long puking episodes. Just went to the ER yesterday.  Check with whoknew, if you think I'm joking.  How's your health going?

I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to take time off.  I'm saying that there should be a system where everyone can take time off for health care reasons.  Why is this added benefit only open to people who decide to breed?  
Click to expand...
There's a federal law that protects your right to take time off due to your own serious health condition. This includes diabetes and diabetic gastroperesis. Ironically, it's the exact same federal law that protects the right of women to take maternity leave - the Famliy Medical Leave Act. Here are a couple relevant excerpts from the Department of Labor guidance on FMLA rights that are relevant to your situation.  Best of luck to you in dealing with your condition.

The Family and Medical Leave Act ("FMLA") provides certain employees with up to 12 workweeks of unpaid, job-protected leave a year, and requires group health benefits to be maintained during the leave as if employees continued to work instead of taking leave.

Leave Entitlement

A covered employer must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave in a 12 month period for one or more of the following reasons: 

- for the birth of a son or daughter, and to care for the newborn child; 

- for the placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care, and to care for the newly placed child; 

- to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent — but not a parent "in-law") with a serious health condition; and 

- when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.

The FMLA permits employees to take leave on an intermittent basis or to work a reduced schedule under certain circumstances.

- Intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be taken when medically necessary to care for a seriously ill family member, or because of the employee's serious health condition.

- Intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be taken to care for a newborn or newly placed adopted or foster care child only with the employer's approval. 

Only the amount of leave actually taken while on intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be charged as FMLA leave. Employees may not be required to take more FMLA leave than necessary to address the circumstances that cause the need for leave. Employers may account for FMLA leave in the shortest period of time that their payroll systems use, provided it is one hour or less.

"Serious health condition" means an illness, injury, impairment, or physical or mental condition that involves:

- any period of incapacity or treatment connected with inpatient care (i.e., an overnight stay) in a hospital, hospice, or residential medical care facility; or 

- a period of incapacity requiring absence of more than three calendar days from work, school, or other regular daily activities that also involves continuing treatment by (or under the supervision of) a health care provider; or 

- any period of incapacity due to pregnancy, or for prenatal care; or 

- any period of incapacity (or treatment therefore) due to a chronic serious health condition (e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.); or 

- a period of incapacity that is permanent or long-term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective (e.g., Alzheimer's, stroke, terminal diseases, etc.); or, 

- any absences to receive multiple treatments (including any period of recovery therefrom) by, or on referral by, a health care provider for a condition that likely would result in incapacity of more than three consecutive days if left untreated (e.g., chemotherapy, physical therapy, dialysis, etc.).
Click to expand...
Given what you describe, I would think that necessary leave due to your diabetes would be protected leave under federal law.  Of course, both you and your employer would need to meet the eligibility requirements for coverage (e.g., number of employees, how long you've worked for the company), but that would similarly apply to the question of whether maternity leave would be legally protected.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
bigbottom said:
There's a federal law that protects your right to take time off due to your own serious health condition. This includes diabetes and diabetic gastroperesis. Ironically, it's the exact same federal law that protects the right of women to take maternity leave - the Famliy Medical Leave Act. Here are a couple relevant excerpts from the Department of Labor guidance on FMLA rights that are relevant to your situation.  Best of luck to you in dealing with your condition.

Given what you describe, I would think that necessary leave due to your diabetes would be protected leave under federal law.  Of course, both you and your employer would need to meet the eligibility requirements for coverage (e.g., number of employees, how long you've worked for the company), but that would similarly apply to the question of whether maternity leave would be legally protected.
Click to expand...
I don't think he is questioning his legal right to go to the doctor on unpaid time. He is questioning paid leave policies.

At lots of places you don't get paid leave until the 6th consecutive day. So 3 months of maternity leave compared to going to the doctor once or twice a month isn't the same thing.

 
Lock of the century - Should this moron ever decide to have kids she'll be the first one telling everyone without kids what a champion she is for being a mother and how now she understands. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
I don't think he is questioning his legal right to go to the doctor on unpaid time. He is questioning paid leave policies.

At lots of places you don't get paid leave until the 6th consecutive day. So 3 months of maternity leave compared to going to the doctor once or twice a month isn't the same thing.
Click to expand...
Well, I guess I'm not clear on the complaint. Plenty of businesses don't provide paid maternity leave (to the extent there are any paid benefits, it falls under applicable short term disability policies - and pregnancy disability is typically capped at six weeks, not three months).  If his employer does provide paid maternity leave benefits his problem is with his company's individual benefits package, not the "system," which is the word he used, when he said the following:

 I'm saying that there should be a system where everyone can take time off for health care reasons.
Click to expand...


The "system" protects him in the same way that it protects new mothers.  Put another way, if an employer offers separate sick leave and vacation pay (many do), one could complain about why he gets to take paid sick leave for his diabetes while others don't get to use that paid leave for things that affect them personally (but don't qualify for "sick leave," which for them ends up going unused). The complaint there isn't with the "system," it's with the way that particular company has chosen to structure its benefit plan. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
bigbottom said:
Well, I guess I'm not clear on the complaint. Plenty of businesses don't provide paid maternity leave (to the extent there are any paid benefits, it falls under applicable short term disability policies - and pregnancy disability is typically capped at six weeks, not three months).  If his employer does provide paid maternity leave benefits his problem is with his company's individual benefits package, not the "system," which is the word he used, when he said the following:
Click to expand...
I am guessing as well as to what his complaint was. My interpretation was that he felt his issue wasn't a choice whereas having a baby is and that he has to use PTO to take off for his issue and women that just had babies get a bunch of time off for maternity leave. I figured it was paid time off otherwise I didnt understand the point of his complaint. 

I am a parent, so I of course sympathize with parents more than a "non-breeder." I can't even imagine if my ex-wife would have had to go back to work before 12 weeks. She was still a mess even at 12.

I can at least see the other side though where if you worked with a woman in your dept. that had 4 kids in 4 years and your company had 3 months paid maternity leave in addition to say, 5 weeks PTO. At some companies she could have potentially missed over 5 months out of the year 4 years in a row and still get paid in full. 

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

GordonGekko
What Do You Plan And Hope To Do After You Retire? (21/30)
2
Replies
85
Views
5K
Senor Schmutzig
Senor Schmutzig
GordonGekko
FBG Parents: Is There A Growing Post-Pandemic Youth Mental Health Crisis ? (10/30)
Replies
21
Views
2K
GordonGekko
GordonGekko
Mr. Know-It-All
PSA - Undiagnosed Bipolar Disorder
Replies
28
Views
2K
Mr. Know-It-All
Mr. Know-It-All

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top