This Year's LJ (1 Viewer)

[ipljeff]

Everytime I look at the situation in the Redskin backfield it reminds me of Cheifs of last year. You've got a previously injured stud RB who before this injury was probably going to give up carries to his backup. Now even when Portis comes back he will be sharing even more carries with Betts to keep him from taking a pounding. Could we be looking at a 2 series (Portis = Holmes) to 1 series (Betts = Johnson) rotation? Al Saunders is the same ofensive cooridinator who instituded this in KC and was praising Ledell even before Portis went down. Is Betts an injury away from RB 1 status, I doubt it, but he could emerge as a top 10 RB if Clinton gets dinged again. I think Betts is at least a must handcuff for any would be Portis owner.

Are there any other back-ups that could be an injury away from fantasy stardom? Brandon Jacobs maybe.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

N/A

 

[Colin Dowling]

No.

 

[aldelgreco]

No.

2nd.

 

[NoCheese]

It's an interesting question. Before last year started, everyone knew that if Priest went down, LJ had a great shot at being a Top 3 overall performer. In many drafts, owners were burning up 5th and 6th round picks on him as their handcuff or in the case of non-owners, as a high reward pick.

I don't believe any player this year is even close to the potential LJ represented last year. There are probably a few "poor man's LJ's" in DeAngelo Williams (Foster gets injured) and TJ Duckett (Dunn gets injured), who would be HUGE if they were the only feature back on the team, but not many others I can think of.

 

[nygiants56]

Michael Turner maybe, NOT Ladell Betts..

you're reaching there..

 

[Horses Mouth]

No.

i love this site for its meaty FF content.

 

[gocats]

No.

 

[wannabee]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

Maroney is another good candidate.

 

[David Yudkin]

No.

i love this site for its meaty FF content.

Also no from me. And I'll use more words than Colin.Look, Betts might do ok if Portis were to miss some time, but the numbers the Chiefs RBs have cranked out are staggering. Mind boggling is a better term. The Redskins are light years away from consistently producing 25-30 or more TDs a year from their RBs (to go with staggering total yardage numbers).So if you are asking if Betts could be a potnetial fantasy starter at RB . . . then yes, he could be worth starting. Will he take over and lap all other RBs in RB production . . . then no, not even close.

 

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No.

i love this site for its meaty FF content.

Also no from me. And I'll use more words than Colin.

 

[Cenobite]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

Maroney is another good candidate.

I think R. Bush if Deuce gets injured or vice versa.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

See above post. Just say no. No one will be this year's LJ unless it's someone from within the trifecta of uber RB production (KC, Den, or Sea). They at least have shown that they can produce uber elite RB production. Teams like Dal, Was, Car, NE, etc. have not shown that they are in the same class as those other teams RB production wise.

 

[BoulderBob]

Mo Morris

M. Bell / Dayne (another guy I'd love to see get 300 carries for once)

Betts

Chris Perry

D. Williams

Maroney

Benson

and my sleeper/RB I'm looking to keep as my number 7 - J. Norwood

IMO, these are the swing for the fences picks for this season.

I believe these guys are pretty good boom/bust RB's to pick in the late rounds/FA. I couldn't think of any other backs given what we know at this point.

Not too high on Jacobs(2.6 ypc/plus lack of wheels will do this), but if you draft Tiki, you better stash him away.

EDIT: I hope my leaguemates do not read this!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

Maroney is another good candidate.

and DeAngelo.If we're excluding rookies..... then who? Fisher?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

See above post. Just say no. No one will be this year's LJ unless it's someone from within the trifecta of uber RB production (KC, Den, or Sea). They at least have shown that they can produce uber elite RB production. Teams like Dal, Was, Car, NE, etc. have not shown that they are in the same class as those other teams RB production wise.

Adrian Peterson.

 

[BoulderBob]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

See above post. Just say no. No one will be this year's LJ unless it's someone from within the trifecta of uber RB production (KC, Den, or Sea). They at least have shown that they can produce uber elite RB production. Teams like Dal, Was, Car, NE, etc. have not shown that they are in the same class as those other teams RB production wise.

Adrian Peterson.

Nice, although as a Bears fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to this. Nevertheless, it would be fun to see the NCAA's all-time leading rusher get his season in the sun.

 

[ericttspikes]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

 

[wraith5]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

Maroney is another good candidate.

and DeAngelo.If we're excluding rookies..... then who? Fisher?

Why are we excluding rookies? No back-up RB is going to put up LJ numbers. There are several who could put up "good" numbers if given the opportunity on a game-by-game basis. I like DeAngelo, LenDale, and MBIII. Maybe Gado, but I don't have enough faith that the O-line is going to do anything in GB. Whoever gets the NYJ gig will have some worth as well (if you know who that is, please let me know!)

 

[LawFitz]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

Portis never had the Al Saunders offense before. I can easily see by midseason either Betts or Portis putting up huge ppg stats as the offense starts to click with the new system. It might take a few weeks before they get up and running though.I look at the 2nd half of Priest's first season with the Chiefs as a possible baseline.

 

[intrinsic]

If Duckett gets moved to the Jets he could be in for a huge season.

 

[redman]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

Portis never had the Al Saunders offense before. I can easily see by midseason either Betts or Portis putting up huge ppg stats as the offense starts to click with the new system. It might take a few weeks before they get up and running though.I look at the 2nd half of Priest's first season with the Chiefs as a possible baseline.

Maybe, but what jumps out at me is that Betts just isn't the RB that LJ is. LJ was a high first round pick; Betts was a 2nd rounder who many thought was drafted a round or two too early. I think Betts has justified his draft position, but I just don't see him turning into the monster that LJ was last year even if Portis was totally unable to play.

 

[switz]

Everytime I look at the situation in the Redskin backfield it reminds me of Cheifs of last year. You've got a previously injured stud RB who before this injury was probably going to give up carries to his backup. Now even when Portis comes back he will be sharing even more carries with Betts to keep him from taking a pounding. Could we be looking at a 2 series (Portis = Holmes) to 1 series (Betts = Johnson) rotation? Al Saunders is the same ofensive cooridinator who instituded this in KC and was praising Ledell even before Portis went down. Is Betts an injury away from RB 1 status, I doubt it, but he could emerge as a top 10 RB if Clinton gets dinged again. I think Betts is at least a must handcuff for any would be Portis owner.

A hip is not a shoulder.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

See above post. Just say no. No one will be this year's LJ unless it's someone from within the trifecta of uber RB production (KC, Den, or Sea). They at least have shown that they can produce uber elite RB production. Teams like Dal, Was, Car, NE, etc. have not shown that they are in the same class as those other teams RB production wise.

Adrian Peterson.

 

[Kit Fisto]

If Duckett gets moved to the Jets he could be in for a huge season.

Betts... no.Duckett a huge season? Walter Payton couldn't have a huge season for the Jets this year.

 

[netnalp]

If Betts take over, I'd predict his best possible production to be similar to Antowain Smith in NE 982 yds 8td.

 

[compreal]

Everytime I look at the situation in the Redskin backfield it reminds me of Cheifs of last year. You've got a previously injured stud RB who before this injury was probably going to give up carries to his backup. Now even when Portis comes back he will be sharing even more carries with Betts to keep him from taking a pounding. Could we be looking at a 2 series (Portis = Holmes) to 1 series (Betts = Johnson) rotation? Al Saunders is the same ofensive cooridinator who instituded this in KC and was praising Ledell even before Portis went down. Is Betts an injury away from RB 1 status, I doubt it, but he could emerge as a top 10 RB if Clinton gets dinged again. I think Betts is at least a must handcuff for any would be Portis owner.Are there any other back-ups that could be an injury away from fantasy stardom? Brandon Jacobs maybe.

 

[LawFitz]

If Betts take over, I'd predict his best possible production to be similar to Antowain Smith in NE 982 yds 8td.

I dunno dude, I'd think any decent back featured in an Al Saunders offense is good for better stats than Fatwon.This offense makes decent backs good and good backs great. And don't forget about the receiving stats.

 

[Todem]

Everytime I look at the situation in the Redskin backfield it reminds me of Cheifs of last year. You've got a previously injured stud RB who before this injury was probably going to give up carries to his backup. Now even when Portis comes back he will be sharing even more carries with Betts to keep him from taking a pounding. Could we be looking at a 2 series (Portis = Holmes) to 1 series (Betts = Johnson) rotation? Al Saunders is the same ofensive cooridinator who instituded this in KC and was praising Ledell even before Portis went down. Is Betts an injury away from RB 1 status, I doubt it, but he could emerge as a top 10 RB if Clinton gets dinged again. I think Betts is at least a must handcuff for any would be Portis owner.Are there any other back-ups that could be an injury away from fantasy stardom? Brandon Jacobs maybe.

uhhhhhh No.

 

[Bears_Man2]

If I had to guess on 'this year's LJ' (and realize I believe none of them could put up what Johnson did), I'd guess Benson, Turner or Perry & the latter isn't healthy.

I'm not a real big (or as big as some) Betts fan. He's got a better shot of starting than Maurice Morris did (many thought he had a shot), but I still don't believe anyone is going to give Betts a starting job anytime in his career.

 

[redman]

If Betts take over, I'd predict his best possible production to be similar to Antowain Smith in NE 982 yds 8td.

He's better than Antowain, and that line is better than NE's line that season. In addition, I think Saunders' offense is more run-oriented than was Weiss's, but I'm somewhat less sure about that.

 

[dgreen]

If Betts was the FT back for Washington this year:

300-1300-9

40-350-2

Nothing close to LJ, but also much better than A. Smith.

 

[Joe T]

Everytime I look at the situation in the Redskin backfield it reminds me of Cheifs of last year. You've got a previously injured stud RB who before this injury was probably going to give up carries to his backup. Now even when Portis comes back he will be sharing even more carries with Betts to keep him from taking a pounding. Could we be looking at a 2 series (Portis = Holmes) to 1 series (Betts = Johnson) rotation? Al Saunders is the same ofensive cooridinator who instituded this in KC and was praising Ledell even before Portis went down. Is Betts an injury away from RB 1 status, I doubt it, but he could emerge as a top 10 RB if Clinton gets dinged again. I think Betts is at least a must handcuff for any would be Portis owner.Are there any other back-ups that could be an injury away from fantasy stardom? Brandon Jacobs maybe.

 

[MLBrandow]

If Betts was the FT back for Washington this year:300-1300-940-350-2Nothing close to LJ, but also much better than A. Smith.

I agree with these numbers.You'll see a drop-off for sure from Portis, but you'll still get RB1 numbers.That said, Betts won't see nearly the amount of playing time LJ did last year before Holmes went down.LJ complimented Holmes because he outweighed Holmes by about 20lbs. IIRC, Betts is smaller than Portis. What you have in Betts is just a COP back while Portis is healthy, not a guy going to force RBBC.People are overreacting on Portis's shoulder injury. If he had to play next weekend, he could. There's no damage and it was just a simple partial dislocation. You can bet the house he'll be there for the opener, and toting the rock as much as the next elite RB.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think most view MB3 as that guy this year

See above post. Just say no. No one will be this year's LJ unless it's someone from within the trifecta of uber RB production (KC, Den, or Sea). They at least have shown that they can produce uber elite RB production. Teams like Dal, Was, Car, NE, etc. have not shown that they are in the same class as those other teams RB production wise.

Adrian Peterson.

Nevermind - I get it.

 

[redman]

If Betts was the FT back for Washington this year:300-1300-940-350-2Nothing close to LJ, but also much better than A. Smith.

The only thing that might be questionable to me would be the ypc average, which may be a tad high.

 

[OneEastRiver]

Adrian Peterson.

Nice, although as a Bears fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to this. Nevertheless, it would be fun to see the NCAA's all-time leading rusher get his season in the sun.

NCAA all-time leading rushers

Running back, school / Yds.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145

 

[LawFitz]

LJ complimented Holmes because he outweighed Holmes by about 20lbs. IIRC, Betts is smaller than Portis. What you have in Betts is just a COP back while Portis is healthy, not a guy going to force RBBC.

Betts is definitely bigger than CP. Maybe not 20 lbs, but I'd guess 10-15. Plus he is shorter, so he would actually make a solid compliment to CP.That being said, if CP is close to 100%, I see a 75/20/5 split between Portis/Betts/everyone else. Betts has improved every year he's been in the league and looks like he would be a solid starter now in the right offense, but CP is electrfying when at the top of his game. There are very few RBs in his class from a pure talent standponit.

 

[BoulderBob]

Adrian Peterson.

Nice, although as a Bears fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to this. Nevertheless, it would be fun to see the NCAA's all-time leading rusher get his season in the sun.

NCAA all-time leading rushers

Running back, school / Yds.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145

I should have specified, NCAA division 1-AA. Record-Setting Georgia Southern RB Adrian Peterson In Senior Bowl

Senior Bowl Sports Information

Star who rushed for more yards than any other player in NCAA Division I or I-AA history will run for the South in the 2002 Senior Bowl.

MOBILE, Ala. -- College football's all-time rushing leader will display his talents in the 2002 Senior Bowl.

Georgia Southern's Adrian Peterson, whose 6,559 career rushing yards stands as the highest total ever recorded by a runner in NCAA Division I or I-AA history, is the latest addition to the roster for Mobile's annual showcase of collegiate football stars and top draft prospects, game officials announced on Friday.

 

[dgreen]

If Betts was the FT back for Washington this year:300-1300-940-350-2Nothing close to LJ, but also much better than A. Smith.

The only thing that might be questionable to me would be the ypc average, which may be a tad high.

Career stats: 321-1271-3.96Games < 10 carries: 104-352-3.38Games with 10+ carries: 217-919-4.24I don't think 4.33 yds/att is a stretch in this offense.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Adrian Peterson.

Nice, although as a Bears fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to this. Nevertheless, it would be fun to see the NCAA's all-time leading rusher get his season in the sun.

NCAA all-time leading rushers

Running back, school / Yds.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145

You list is Div 1A. I think he is the Div 2 and overall leader. Georgia Southern, IIRC.Edit - Beat to the punch. Div 1AA.

 

[OneEastRiver]

Adrian Peterson.

Nice, although as a Bears fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to this. Nevertheless, it would be fun to see the NCAA's all-time leading rusher get his season in the sun.

NCAA all-time leading rushers

Running back, school / Yds.

1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397

2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279

3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082

4.Charles White, USC / 5,598

5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596

6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540

7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263

8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259

9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177

10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145

I should have specified, NCAA division 1-AA. Record-Setting Georgia Southern RB Adrian Peterson In Senior Bowl

Senior Bowl Sports Information

Star who rushed for more yards than any other player in NCAA Division I or I-AA history will run for the South in the 2002 Senior Bowl.

MOBILE, Ala. -- College football's all-time rushing leader will display his talents in the 2002 Senior Bowl.

Georgia Southern's Adrian Peterson, whose 6,559 career rushing yards stands as the highest total ever recorded by a runner in NCAA Division I or I-AA history, is the latest addition to the roster for Mobile's annual showcase of collegiate football stars and top draft prospects, game officials announced on Friday.

Got it. Thanks

 

[redman]

If Betts was the FT back for Washington this year:300-1300-940-350-2Nothing close to LJ, but also much better than A. Smith.

The only thing that might be questionable to me would be the ypc average, which may be a tad high.

Career stats: 321-1271-3.96Games < 10 carries: 104-352-3.38Games with 10+ carries: 217-919-4.24I don't think 4.33 yds/att is a stretch in this offense.

I'm not saying it's ridiculous, and he may be able to exceed that ypc average in this offense, but those career stats are from spot starting and 3rd down duty, the latter tending to inflate ypc in my experience (Exhibit A being Brian Mitchell). I was thinking more along the lines of 4.1 to 4.2 ypc.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

Portis never had the Al Saunders offense before. I can easily see by midseason either Betts or Portis putting up huge ppg stats as the offense starts to click with the new system. It might take a few weeks before they get up and running though.I look at the 2nd half of Priest's first season with the Chiefs as a possible baseline.

I missed the news where Al Saunders brought the Chief's offensive line with him to Washington.Link???

 

[LawFitz]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

Portis never had the Al Saunders offense before. I can easily see by midseason either Betts or Portis putting up huge ppg stats as the offense starts to click with the new system. It might take a few weeks before they get up and running though.I look at the 2nd half of Priest's first season with the Chiefs as a possible baseline.

I missed the news where Al Saunders brought the Chief's offensive line with him to Washington.Link???

You act like the Redskins Oline is garbage. They're not the Chiefs, but they're pretty good.I don't anticipate huge stats early, but as the offense begins to click, they could really to well later. For me the biggest question mark besides health issues is Brunell/Campbell.

 

[redman]

Betts couldn't hold LJ's diapers. Betts could be productive, but no way he produces the eye popping stats Johnson did last year. Portis doesn't even do that.

Portis never had the Al Saunders offense before. I can easily see by midseason either Betts or Portis putting up huge ppg stats as the offense starts to click with the new system. It might take a few weeks before they get up and running though.I look at the 2nd half of Priest's first season with the Chiefs as a possible baseline.

I missed the news where Al Saunders brought the Chief's offensive line with him to Washington.Link???

You act like the Redskins Oline is garbage. They're not the Chiefs, but they're pretty good.I don't anticipate huge stats early, but as the offense begins to click, they could really to well later. For me the biggest question mark besides health issues is Brunell/Campbell.

Agreed. With the exception of C Rabach, this will be their 4th season together (Rabach's 2nd), and they figure to get better given the injuries that nagged them last year, especially Jansen with his two broken thumbs and recovery from an Achilles injury.

 

[CalBear]

Ladell Betts' chance of being this year's LJ is about the same as his chance of being this year's Miss America. Here are Betts' career numbers:

321 carries

1271 yards

4.0 ypc

5 TD

You know what that looks like? An absolute ceiling for Betts if he were the full-year starter. In 2005 he did even more poorly, just 3.8 ypc and 1 TD on 89 carries.

Larry Johnson, before 2005, had:

140 carries

666 yards

4.8 ypc

10 TD

Neither the situation nor the talent level are comparable in any way.