Thomas Jones/Leon Washington To Share Time (1 Viewer)

[zamboni]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

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Jets | Jones and Washington to share time

Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

 

[TheFanatic]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I think this is just a sign of the times. The two RB attack is becoming more and more prevalent. I don't foresee a full blown RBBC, but something more like Rhodes/Addai last year.....

 

[Slinger]

From my most recent Sporting News magazine:

After acquiring Thomas Jones from the Bears the JETS will go with two-back combo of Jones and scatback Leon Washington. The stats say Jones is more effective when he gets about 15 carries a game. With his speed and big-play ability Washington is an ideal complement to the workmanlike Jones...

 

[Righetti]

Mangini will absolutely utilize both players, on top of that don't be surprised if you see stretches of Leon with TJ sitting on the bench, he loves using the no-huddle and there will be points where Leon will stay in the game (same this with TJ of course) where they won't be able to rotate out b/c of hte no-huddle, he has such quickness and elusiveness that they would be silly not to use him by getting him into space

 

[Banger]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

 

[NoCheese]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

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Jets | Jones and Washington to share time

Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I think this is just a sign of the times. The two RB attack is becoming more and more prevalent. I don't foresee a full blown RBBC, but something more like Rhodes/Addai last year.....

Isn't that the very definition of a RBBC? Addai had 226 carries, and Rhodes had 187 carries. Is there another tandem that shared more than they did?

 

[zamboni]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

Yeah, I'd have to think it's TJ, as he seems to have a solid nose for the end zone. Houston will probably be inactive for many games, but if TJ can't get it done, don't be surprised to see Houston take on the role.

 

[Ariakis]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

Yeah, I'd have to think it's TJ, as he seems to have a solid nose for the end zone. Houston will probably be inactive for many games, but if TJ can't get it done, don't be surprised to see Houston take on the role.

Most teams carry 3 RB's though and both TJ and LW can handle 3rd down duties so I can see a guy like Houston having a role and perhaps even taking GL duties. I would put TJ around 1200 total yards and 8 TD's and LW maybe around 600-3 and Houston picking up the rest.

 

[zamboni]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

Yeah, I'd have to think it's TJ, as he seems to have a solid nose for the end zone. Houston will probably be inactive for many games, but if TJ can't get it done, don't be surprised to see Houston take on the role.

Most teams carry 3 RB's though and both TJ and LW can handle 3rd down duties so I can see a guy like Houston having a role and perhaps even taking GL duties. I would put TJ around 1200 total yards and 8 TD's and LW maybe around 600-3 and Houston picking up the rest.

Mangini may choose to dress only 2 RBs though, as Brad Smith will also be there for selected plays. Same held for last year down the stretch, when it became a 2-man show, with Blaylock and Barlow inactive and Leon and Cedric in uniform. That could leave Houston primarily on the inactive list, unless an injury happens or he's needed to assume the GL role.

 

[billyjoe]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I think this is just a sign of the times. The two RB attack is becoming more and more prevalent. I don't foresee a full blown RBBC, but something more like Rhodes/Addai last year.....

Uh Rhodes/Addai is as RBBC as it gets. When you split the carries 50/50, that's usually called RBBC.And I agree, Leon will get his touches. They'll mix it up. TJ is probably looking at 240, with 160 for Leon.

 

[TheFanatic]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

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Jets | Jones and Washington to share time

Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I think this is just a sign of the times. The two RB attack is becoming more and more prevalent. I don't foresee a full blown RBBC, but something more like Rhodes/Addai last year.....

Isn't that the very definition of a RBBC? Addai had 226 carries, and Rhodes had 187 carries. Is there another tandem that shared more than they did?

I was looking more at the yards. Addai had over 1K yards rushing and Rhodes had about 600. I would expect something like 1200 to 600 ration in NY for Jones and Washington, respectively. About a 66/33 split. I see a RBBC more as a 55/45 or 50/50. I didn't realize that Rhodes and Addai were that close in carries. I guess that explains why Addai had more than .5 ypc more than Rhodes.....

 

[jwb]

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

Not making any comparison other than size, but Leon is about the same size as Westbrook, isn't he?You are indeed correct that Leon will get his touches - he had too good a year to just be a third down scat back.

 

[Colin Dowling]

RBs getting 300 carries are going the way of the dodo. Getting a stable of 220 touch runners is becoming more and more the norm in FF>

 

[TheFanatic]

RBs getting 300 carries are going the way of the dodo. Getting a stable of 220 touch runners is becoming more and more the norm in FF>

It's sort of sad. Then again everything evolves. As the NFL evolves so will FFB. It will just make those that do their homework before the season even more successful than someone who checks the depth charts and sees a RB on top but doesn't realize that just because the RB gets 51% of the carries and is top on the depth chart does not mean he will be a good FFB RB

 

[Blackjacks]

I was looking more at the yards. Addai had over 1K yards rushing and Rhodes had about 600. I would expect something like 1200 to 600 ration in NY for Jones and Washington, respectively. About a 66/33 split. I see a RBBC more as a 55/45 or 50/50.

I didn't realize that Rhodes and Addai were that close in carries. I guess that explains why Addai had more than .5 ypc more than Rhodes.....

Jones had 1210 last year and alittle over 1300 the year before. Before those 2 years he had never ran for over 1,000 yards in a season. I think expecting 1200 out of him his first year with the Jets is definetly positive thinking by you Jones owners. I think you all would be giddy with 1,000 yards and 9 scores. Not a bad year but also not great.

 

[zamboni]

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

Not making any comparison other than size, but Leon is about the same size as Westbrook, isn't he?

Indeed, but Mangini has clearly determined that Leon is not a workhorse. And I guess he gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Ariakis]

I was looking more at the yards. Addai had over 1K yards rushing and Rhodes had about 600. I would expect something like 1200 to 600 ration in NY for Jones and Washington, respectively. About a 66/33 split. I see a RBBC more as a 55/45 or 50/50. I didn't realize that Rhodes and Addai were that close in carries. I guess that explains why Addai had more than .5 ypc more than Rhodes.....

Jones had 1210 last year and alittle over 1300 the year before. Before those 2 years he had never ran for over 1,000 yards in a season. I think expecting 1200 out of him his first year with the Jets is definetly positive thinking by you Jones owners. I think you all would be giddy with 1,000 yards and 9 scores. Not a bad year but also not great.

220 carries at 4.4 average is 968 plus about 240 receiving which is actually only 15 yards a game on average is certainly achievable. Much beyond that is pushing it I think I'm more concerned about the TD's ... the 1200 total yards seems safe.

 

[redman]

I guess my trade-up in the inaugural Red Dog dynasty draft to grab Houston doesn't seem so hot right now . . .

 

[TheFanatic]

Jones had 1210 last year and alittle over 1300 the year before. Before those 2 years he had never ran for over 1,000 yards in a season. I think expecting 1200 out of him his first year with the Jets is definetly positive thinking by you Jones owners. I think you all would be giddy with 1,000 yards and 9 scores. Not a bad year but also not great.

This is a RB, not a WR. Looks like you are just looking for a reason to argue with me after I tore you up on the Ronnie Brown issue. Grow up kid....

 

[Rovers]

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

Not making any comparison other than size, but Leon is about the same size as Westbrook, isn't he?

Indeed, but Mangini has clearly determined that Leon is not a workhorse. And I guess he gets the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he's determined anything of the sort. Both Mangini and Tannenbaum have stated many times, on many occassions that they feel the future is in RBBC in the NFL. I happen to agree for several reasons. Less injury risk, simply by the fact that RB's are involved in fewer plays. It also helps keep the RB's legs fresh. The running offense is not dependent on just one player. This sort or "rotational philosophy" is also apparent on the defense as well, the substitutions are not just situationally based, it also keeps players fresher late into games. It's an integral part of this regime's philosophy, using almost every player on the active roster. I could see carries go something like this:Jones-15Washington- 12Houston- 4Both Houston and Washington play special teams, which should keep all of them in uniform on Sundays. If they inactivate a player, it could be a WR, and using Washington occassionally as a WR.

 

[Z-Dog]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

Cedric Houston is still around, as others have mentioned, though he may not make the team - really depends on what happens in the draft. I think this situation is still too early to call.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.

Not making any comparison other than size, but Leon is about the same size as Westbrook, isn't he?

Indeed, but Mangini has clearly determined that Leon is not a workhorse. And I guess he gets the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he's determined anything of the sort. Both Mangini and Tannenbaum have stated many times, on many occassions that they feel the future is in RBBC in the NFL. I happen to agree for several reasons. Less injury risk, simply by the fact that RB's are involved in fewer plays. It also helps keep the RB's legs fresh. The running offense is not dependent on just one player. This sort or "rotational philosophy" is also apparent on the defense as well, the substitutions are not just situationally based, it also keeps players fresher late into games. It's an integral part of this regime's philosophy, using almost every player on the active roster. I could see carries go something like this:Jones-15Washington- 12Houston- 4Both Houston and Washington play special teams, which should keep all of them in uniform on Sundays. If they inactivate a player, it could be a WR, and using Washington occassionally as a WR.

I agree, have preached the RBBC way of the future many times and think that while some worry it will wreck FF, I think it just makes it more challenging.Like someone else said, everythign evolves.If you 're in a Dynasty, best be on the cusp of the wave, not in the whitewash.

 

[jwb]

It's an integral part of this regime's philosophy, using almost every player on the active roster. I could see carries go something like this:Jones-15Washington- 12Houston- 4

Totally agree. I remember last year when Kevan Barlow toughed out about 75 yards and a TD in the New England mud, and then got perhaps 4 carries the next week. Mangini is not going with a feature back. If he was coaching San Diego, he'd probably do 60/40

 

[Blackjacks]

Jones had 1210 last year and alittle over 1300 the year before. Before those 2 years he had never ran for over 1,000 yards in a season. I think expecting 1200 out of him his first year with the Jets is definetly positive thinking by you Jones owners. I think you all would be giddy with 1,000 yards and 9 scores. Not a bad year but also not great.

This is a RB, not a WR. Looks like you are just looking for a reason to argue with me after I tore you up on the Ronnie Brown issue. Grow up kid....

Tore me up with Brown, huh, keep thinking that. I'm still waiting for your point in those long ridiculious rants you go on. Give me some proof somewhere, like why you think Jones will be better than Brown let's say. How about you actually have some facts instead of basically saying "Cause I say so".

 

[Routilla]

Great thread concerning RBBC. Does anyone think that WRs may be gaining more value in FF?

 

[OldMilwaukee]

regarding TJ....

I have heard before...

 

[Bizkiteer]

Hey TJ...different place, same ol story. TJ was smart he'd spike the Leon's and anyone else in the RB corps gatorade. POOF...RB b gone!

 

[Riffraff]

This was obvious when you look at the stats (not many do):

NY Jets were #7 in rush attempts in 2006 with 491.

If anyone thought TJ was going to get 400+ rushes, they were gravely over-estimating his talent.

300+ is logical as he had 296 last year while sharing with Benson.

Even a 66% clip from last year's total is 300+ rushes.

Jets may not be considered an offensive juggernaut, but they do run the ball quite a bit.

 

[Routilla]

This was obvious when you look at the stats (not many do):NY Jets were #7 in rush attempts in 2006 with 491.If anyone thought TJ was going to get 400+ rushes, they were gravely over-estimating his talent.300+ is logical as he had 296 last year while sharing with Benson. Even a 66% clip from last year's total is 300+ rushes.Jets may not be considered an offensive juggernaut, but they do run the ball quite a bit.

Pennington may be able to provide TJ with some decent receiving numbers as well.

 

[NorrisB]

TJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington

 

[TitusIII]

TJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington

Really? The stats and my eyes lead me to believe that there isn't a significant difference between the two. I'm not a big fan of either due to their running styles, but the combo has the ability to be fairly dangerous behind the Jets line. I think a 65/35 split is in the cards, and I don't see either as the goal-line back.

 

[pigskin pimp]

The big question will be who gets the goal line love. I'd bet on TJ.

agreed

 

[nygiants56]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

purely coachspeak, IMO..TJ will be a top 10 back in 2007..will probably get 300+ carries..Mangini watched Dillon run wild in NE, and OC Brian Shottenheimer watched LT's one-man show in SD.expct 20-25 carries/week for TJ. they're going to rely on the run much more in 2007...Just the fact that they acquired TJ tells you where this offense is headed. a young, strong o-line that is just starting to come together as a unit..

 

[rabidfireweasel]

purely coachspeak, IMO..TJ will be a top 10 back in 2007..will probably get 300+ carries..Mangini watched Dillon run wild in NE, and OC Brian Shottenheimer watched LT's one-man show in SD.expct 20-25 carries/week for TJ. they're going to rely on the run much more in 2007...Just the fact that they acquired TJ tells you where this offense is headed. a young, strong o-line that is just starting to come together as a unit..

20-25 carries = roughly 22.5 average= roughly 360 carries350 is an enormous amount of carries and when guys run that much, they often miss time the next year or see decreased productivity.I simply do not see that many carries and I think your analogies are off base. Dillon never got more than 345 in NE and that was with a hurt Faulk (11 games) and Patrick Pass backing him up. The next year he broke down and got less than 225 carries. Mangini witnessed that breakdown as well. LT is consideed by the staff in San Diego to be the best running back ever and he has broken 350 carries once in 6 years.Washington is not an every down player yet and Jones is a more complete back. However, Washington is a talented playmaker who will see the field in at least limited duty. I think expecting more than 315 carries is unrealistic.

 

[prefontaine]

purely coachspeak, IMO..TJ will be a top 10 back in 2007..will probably get 300+ carries..Mangini watched Dillon run wild in NE, and OC Brian Shottenheimer watched LT's one-man show in SD.expct 20-25 carries/week for TJ. they're going to rely on the run much more in 2007...Just the fact that they acquired TJ tells you where this offense is headed. a young, strong o-line that is just starting to come together as a unit..

20-25 carries = roughly 22.5 average= roughly 360 carries350 is an enormous amount of carries and when guys run that much, they often miss time the next year or see decreased productivity.I simply do not see that many carries and I think your analogies are off base. Dillon never got more than 345 in NE and that was with a hurt Faulk (11 games) and Patrick Pass backing him up. The next year he broke down and got less than 225 carries. Mangini witnessed that breakdown as well. LT is consideed by the staff in San Diego to be the best running back ever and he has broken 350 carries once in 6 years.Washington is not an every down player yet and Jones is a more complete back. However, Washington is a talented playmaker who will see the field in at least limited duty. I think expecting more than 315 carries is unrealistic.

280-300 is probably reasonable given the propensity of the Jets to run. At a 4.2-4.4 YPC that would put him in the 1200-1300 yards rushing range. Add in another 200 or so receiving, maybe 10 TDs, and you have yourself a marginal top 10 back. I don't think anyone is thinking TJ is a top 5 guy, but don't sleep on him because he will likely fall somewhere between 8-16 in the RB rankings. And unlike the last couple of years, he likely is not looking at the downside of losing his job.

 

[Byron_nyc]

As a Jets homer, I love Mangenius, but as a fantasyphile, this guy is as unpredictable in his backfield choices as Shanahan, as tight-lipped about his plans and injuries and unpredictable in his game-planning as His Bellichekness. No one in fantasy got too worked up about it last year, but no one could predict week to week who would get how many carries, or how many carries there would be total. In this backfield, stay away. You will only get your heart broken, from a fantasy perspective, with any of these guys.

 

[jwb]

As a Jets homer, I love Mangenius, but as a fantasyphile, this guy is as unpredictable in his backfield choices as Shanahan, as tight-lipped about his plans and injuries and unpredictable in his game-planning as His Bellichekness.

Jets homer here, too. I have to agree with you. I remember last year starting Barlow after the New England game, thinking "ok, now he's the guy", and he got something like 4 carries the next game. Very, very unpredictable from a fantasy perspective.That said, I drafted Washington (round 9, I think) in a startup earlier this year. I think he has a chance to be a special player in a few years.

 

[Liquid Tension]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

 

[sheerterror]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( :( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

x 10If you are going to bash a trade, at least know what the trade involved. The Jets and Bears swapped 2nd rounders in exchange for Jones, they didn't completely give up a second rounder. That knocks your credibility down a notch right off the bat - and the rest is gone after you say that Jones = Droughns.

 

[Rovers]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

Don't go gettin yerself all bunged up over anything this jackass idiot ever writes. He recently siad how Jones will make the Jets run attack much better, mentioning how the Jets stuck with a mis-direction blocking/outside running attack..... while completely ignoring WHY. The Jets O line can't run block worth a dern.... and even a 27 year old Curtis Martin couldn't fix that. A different RB won't change the fact that this undersized O line can't generate any push, and will continue to use smoke and mirrors in the running attack blocking scheme. Cimini is a complete tool, and easilly the worst Jets beat reporter that ever pounded a keyboard. But.... Jones=Droughns? Yer as clueless as Cimini is if you believe that. Jones is servicable.... Droughns is not.

 

[NorrisB]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

x 10If you are going to bash a trade, at least know what the trade involved. The Jets and Bears swapped 2nd rounders in exchange for Jones, they didn't completely give up a second rounder. That knocks your credibility down a notch right off the bat - and the rest is gone after you say that Jones = Droughns.

 

[zamboni]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

:( x 10If you are going to bash a trade, at least know what the trade involved. The Jets and Bears swapped 2nd rounders in exchange for Jones, they didn't completely give up a second rounder. That knocks your credibility down a notch right off the bat - and the rest is gone after you say that Jones = Droughns.

Beat me to it. It was a swap, not an outright trade. Just like the trade a few years for Doug Jolley, where many still think that the Jets gave up a 1st for him rather than swap picks.

 

[OoOBaby]

RBs getting 300 carries are going the way of the dodo. Getting a stable of 220 touch runners is becoming more and more the norm in FF>

Besides the fact this is 100% incorrect, good post. RBs with 300 carries2000 - 92001 - 102002 - 92003 - 132004 - 92005 - 102006 - 10 (Droughns w/ 297, so you could bump this to 11)

 

[DaTruth]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

haahhahhaha........I love it when people bash trades and don't even know the actual parameter of the deal. hahhhaahah. man, thanks for letting me know that you have absolutely no credibility at all. DaTruth

 

[glock]

Not too much bein' excellent to each other goin' on in here...

 

[Liquid Tension]

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise given Mangini's style, but worth noting for those that may have rather high expectations for Jones. To be fair, it's coming from a beat writer, but Cimini is usually pretty plugged in.I still expect Jones to get the lion's share of carries (including at the stripe), but Leon showed last year that he's too good to keep off the field. He's just not big enough to carry the ball an inordinate number of times.----------------------------Jets | Jones and Washington to share timeWed, 14 Mar 2007 21:49:32 -0700Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reporting for the Sporting News, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini is unlikely to turn the backfield into a one-man show. The Jets, who stole RB Thomas Jones from the Chicago Bears ( ), plan to use Jones with second-year RB Leon Washington. Statistics show that Jones is more effective when he carries the ball about 15 times per game, not 20 to 25.

I would like to know how the Jets "STOLE" Thomas Jones from the Bears. They are paying a poor starting running back 5+ mil a year and they gave up a 2nd round pick for him (I believe that is correct). I really don't see Thomas Jones being better (or at least not much) than Droughns. I think they are very similar RB's. The Giants got the steal.THOMAS JONES IS ONE OF THE WORST STARTING 10 RB'S IN THE NFL.

x 10If you are going to bash a trade, at least know what the trade involved. The Jets and Bears swapped 2nd rounders in exchange for Jones, they didn't completely give up a second rounder. That knocks your credibility down a notch right off the bat - and the rest is gone after you say that Jones = Droughns.

Beat me to it. It was a swap, not an outright trade. Just like the trade a few years for Doug Jolley, where many still think that the Jets gave up a 1st for him rather than swap picks.

Ahh people so quick to judge First, I did say "I think", and what I should have written was a 3rd round because that was the equivalent supposedly of the drop down. People are so quick to judge, but see belowNow for the important part. The Jets paid starting money for a guy who has never been real good. The Bears are a good run blocking team and Jones was pedestrian AGAIN. Now let's see if my comparison of Droughns and Thomas Jones was so crazy. The last 3 years (Remember Thomas Jones was on a better team)

Age		   Height 	  Weight	Rush Yards	YPC	Receiving yards	YPR	  Total TD'sThomas Jones	 28	 5' 10"		 220		 3493		 4.1		 724		   6.1		 22Ruben Droughns	28	5' 11"		 220		 3230		 4.0		 779		   7.9		 19

I mean how can I say these guys are close when you look at the below? Crazy me

 

[Tag]

I dont see what the big to do is on this thread. Obviously the Jets needed a feature back and went out and got a very good one in Tjones. Sure he will lose some carries to Washington but I dont think he will lose as many think. I think he easily gets 18-22 carries a game plus a few dump offs.

 

[brednbuddah]

I dont see what the big to do is on this thread. Obviously the Jets needed a feature back and went out and got a very good one in Tjones. Sure he will lose some carries to Washington but I dont think he will lose as many think. I think he easily gets 18-22 carries a game plus a few dump offs.

the low end of your scale works out to 288 carries over the season. I don't think Jones gets that many, not that he isn't capable, it's just that Washington will probably see about 180 touches. As a result, Jones will probably see around 260 touches.I also see both RBs being inconsistent fantasy producers as Mangini will game plan for whichever back has the better advantage against a given opponent.

 

[NorrisB]

TJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington

Really? The stats and my eyes lead me to believe that there isn't a significant difference between the two. I'm not a big fan of either due to their running styles, but the combo has the ability to be fairly dangerous behind the Jets line. I think a 65/35 split is in the cards, and I don't see either as the goal-line back.

why dont you elaborate on that

 

[Liquid Tension]

TJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington

Really? The stats and my eyes lead me to believe that there isn't a significant difference between the two. I'm not a big fan of either due to their running styles, but the combo has the ability to be fairly dangerous behind the Jets line. I think a 65/35 split is in the cards, and I don't see either as the goal-line back.

why dont you elaborate on that

NorrisB, you thought it was good posting by Zamboni and Sheer Terror; how about after looking At the similarities of Droughns and TJ?