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Bingo. This is what I've been trying to say in this thread. It's obvious the Packers have a high level of belief in Green. People can say what they want or infer what they want but there's no denying the usage on the field. 20+ touches in all three games tells us all we need to know.'SameSongNDance said:
I meant his blocking.'packersfan said:
I agree with all of this, but do you think there's a point where they will stop being high on him? I mean how many shoddy performances can you have before a team will look at other options? I don't know if GB will do it, maybe they will simply stick with Green until Benson comes back, but I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Starks or White a shot at least to see if one of them can fare better.
Ahh sorry. My bad.
I can't predict the future but at this time the Packers clearly have shown no interest in giving Starks a sizeable role so other than RotoWorld touting him for reasons unknown and a smattering of Starks owners trying to make his role into something it's not I can't see it happening. As I said before I think if Kuhn returns this week White will go back to being inactive. I think he's emergency depth only at this point. I don't know how long of a leash Green has. I do know the Packers like him a lot which is what I've been emphasizing in this thread. Given that, I'd be surprised if they yanked him after only a few games, especially with the team continuing to win.
Kuhn hasn't practiced all week and probably won't play. Of course Starks is getting more reps this week. I generally like the info RotoWorld provides but there are times when their bias gets so far out of control it results in providing misinformation. Wasn't there a thread about that here at one point? This would fit in well there.
That, and most importantly, he's keeping Aaron upright.
Thanks for the info!
I hope you are right about this. If the Pack plays like they did agains Jacksonville they will be lucky to win. Jennings-out, Nelson & Kuhn doubtful, the line moving backwards Oi. I could see more of the same 2 ypc faceplant into Bulaga's left shoe unless he breaks one off which he is more than capable of doing. I'm going with Jamal Charles over him even tho DD has Green higher. I know, cool story bro
"James Starks is expected to get "his share of touches at halfback" this week due to Alex Green's struggles in the lead back role.Starks was headed for an increased role at Jacksonville last week, only to lose out when a stomach flu caused him to miss key practices for game-planning. Starks confirmed that he's seen extra reps this week, a sign that Green's carries are on the wane. Starks should be owned in all 12-team leagues this week. Related: Alex GreenSource: Green Bay Press-Gazette"'Eminence said:
If you were a Green owner, would you roster Starks now (with very little roster space)?
Nope. Even if it does become a timeshare then neither RB will have much value. The only upside I see for Starks is if Green suffers a season-ending injury. Again, I can't predict the future but here are the facts as we sit here today:1. After Green's first start, McCarthy made it clear Green was the starter and there was no competition. After the Jaguars game, McCarthy once again issued his full support to Green and made it clear he's their starter. This week two stories were written by Tom Silverstein, one of the best beat writers in the country, saying Green was the guy and outlining the reasons why the team prefers Green over Starks.2. Green has received 20+ touches in every start he's made. He has overwhelmingly dominated the RB touches in that time.3. Starks saw garbage time action in Green's first start, did not play in the second and finally got a chance to play last week when Kuhn was hurt. When Kuhn was healthy, he was the No. 2 RB behind Green, not Starks. Kuhn's absence is a significant factor here that RotoWorld, in particular, continues to ignore when assessing things. If Kuhn was healthy would Starks be in the mix? Maybe, but based on the Texans and Rams games, you could make a compelling argument he wouldn't.4. Green has done well in pass protection. This is obviously huge for the Packers who are a pass-first offense.These are the facts. Could things change going forward? Absolutely. But as we sit here today there's nothing in terms of what the coaches have said and, more importantly, done in the games which should lead anyone to think they've lost confidence in Green. Do they want him and the running game to improve? Without a doubt. Could Starks be more involved? Sure, especially with Kuhn still hurt. But I don't think anything has happened that has lessened Green's value going into this week's game. I don't see Starks as a significant option at the present time and based on what the coaching staff has done with Green since he became the starter they don't apparently view him as one either.I strongly disagree with RotoWorld's take that Starks should be owned in all 12-team leagues. Obviously it comes down to who else is available but he's not someone I'd be looking to acquire unless Green suffers a season-ending injury. Like I said before even if Starks somehow turned this into a timeshare Green's not going away. The coaching staff is way too high on him for them to just dump him on the curb and forget about him. Just my two cents.
You are right. Actions speak louder than words do.There will come a time where they may change their mind, but right now it does appear Green Bay is committed to this kid. Whether any of us agree with their assessment is irrelevant. Until they start to give significant work to Starks or one of the other RB's on the roster I would not even entertain the thought that they will bench him.
There's a good article in the GB Press Gazette that analyzes why we haven't seen much of Starks lately -- his lack of PT doesn't just boil down to commitment to Green and lack of faith.Here's an excerpt:
Here's the link to the full piece: Is Starks ready to carry more of the load?
Green has been a solid RB3 in PPR leagues since taking over. I think it's safe to say Green owners would like more but he's been far from worthless in PPR formats.I agree the Packers miss Benson and said as much when he got hurt. Benson was a huge RB upgrade for the team and he has been missed. That was a great pickup by Thompson.
An Alex Green thread driven by Alex Green owners? No way!
Starks got more work after I posted this. Looks like a timeshare.im not watching but they both have equal rushes
I've watched a ton of Green Bay games both last year and this, and stand by my statement. Owning a GB back is a waste of time when their offense is clicking, they want to throw every score. Benson was the exception for a couple weeks, only because the Pack offense was struggling.
obviously. this is what everyone said all along. why would the packers use green in the red zone and take the ball out of their best players hand?I've watched a ton of Green Bay games both last year and this, and stand by my statement. Owning a GB back is a waste of time when their offense is clicking, they want to throw every score. Benson was the exception for a couple weeks, only because the Pack offense was struggling.
There's something to be said for having a balanced attack when the going gets tough, in the playoffs for instance.The Pats were guilty of this in years past, but are doing a great job of it this year.obviously. this is what everyone said all along. why would the packers use green in the red zone and take the ball out of their best players hand?I've watched a ton of Green Bay games both last year and this, and stand by my statement. Owning a GB back is a waste of time when their offense is clicking, they want to throw every score. Benson was the exception for a couple weeks, only because the Pack offense was struggling.
I think he's definitely worth picking up. Nothing definitive yet that he will return but current signs are promising.With regard to Starks and Green, reports from Green Bay support what I posted after the Cardinals game - Starks' role will grow and he'll be the early-down RB with Kuhn returning to the third-down role when he's healthy (which is expected to be in Week 11). Green has basically been demoted. Green will likely share some carries with Starks but how many is uncertain. The split was close against the Cardinals because Starks fumbled and was benched for a large segment of the game. It's fair to assume the split may have been heavily in Starks' favor if he hadn't fumbled. In larger leagues I think Green is still worth holding onto because Starks is hardly a lock to keep the job long-term and whether Benson returns is still uncertain at this time. So Green could get another chance to start at some point. But in smaller leagues or ones with tight roster limits I think he can be dropped if there are more productive or potentially more productive options available on the WW. At this point, published reports all suggest that Starks will start and handle the majority of the early down work with Kuhn handling the third-down snaps and likely what few goal-line rushing attempts the team attempts. Green's on the outside looking in. The Packers still like Green a lot but for now they appeared to prefer the more physical Starks and hope he can provide the sustaining element in the ground game they're looking for.
So what exactly is Starks then going forward assuming he's handling the majority of early down work and losing 3rd GL work to Kuhn? With Rodgers throwing it or running it in around the GL too, what is he? A RB3? RB4?
Thanks for the reply. Assuming Benson returns in week 14, do you think they'll hand him the keys to the running game going forward?
