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I think in Dynasty this is a little different as the WRs are a little overvalued due to the longevity of their career compared to a RB though.
that's a completely different format
Eh. Of course I do this. I am not asking what round to take players in.
Add Nicks to that list and obviously this is for the 12/13 turn your 3rd WR isn't going to have any of those names.
Best on avg won't make it the 4th round.Andre won't make it to pick 12 in any draft so forgot that.Austin won't make it to pick 36.Where you getting this info from ?
What do you mean when you say "RBBC scares me this year?"Just for me personally, I do see a big trend towards RBBC around the league, but that actually makes me lean more towards RB early as opposed to away from it. Frank Gore for example isn't going to end up in RBBC. There are 10-15 guys that I feel are pretty safe from committees and I kind of feel like that makes the play this year trying to grab a couple of those guys early and then loading up on WRs later. If you pass on RBs early, I think it means you're going to be counting on guys like Grant/Starks, Wells/Williams, the New England RB mess, etc. I'd personally rather have McFadden/Gore early and then grab Tampa Mike, Holmes, Collie, Manningham, Julio, AJ Green, etc. as opposed to the other way around.
Ok color me confused he said "If I am picking at the end of a 12 team league" (To me this means 12/13)Also how do you know this is non PPR league the person creating this post never stated either way.
DMAC is in rbbc and op is discussing drafting at end round.....
with less experienced people, drafting on the corner you can control the change of positions to a degree as many people wait as long as they can and your selection is their cue. This is but one reason why if you're at the end I say go RB then WR. One is a different feel for the other drafters than you taking two WRs in the last 4-5 picks. Many people draft on a rhythm they think they feel and again, you are giving them a headsup that things are changing. If you grab two WRs the next corner, you will have satisfied the three that you need and who cares if they go on a WR run.
Had our main 10 team draft yesterday: 2QB, 3WR, 3RBs, TE, K, DEF -- our league historically is QB-heavy. Also, we're Non-PPR league so generally WRs are targeted later. I drafted from the 7th spot:1.07 Chris Johnson - 3 QBs went early before me, and apparently the holdout is scaring folks off.
You could of easily passed on VD and grabbed a back like Blount, D. Williams of F. Jones. Great QB and D grabs.
end of twelve team league
1.5 PPR for TE's I wanted a stud TE and how many passes is Blount going to catch ? Not enough for me to want to take him at 4.01. I am done with Carolina RB's burned me the last 2 years in a row.Also for the person who said WR-WR-WR won't work vs experienced drafters I have done this many times in a high stakes league.In 2003 in the Fantasy Jungle I took it one step further I went WR-WR-WR-WR...out of 72 teams (6 leagues of 12 teams) 70 teams took at least 1 RB in the 1st 2 picks. 1 team went WR-WR-RB. My team was the only team out of 72 to go WR-WR-WR let alone WR-WR-WR-WR to start. I was being called "dead money" on the forum but when all the dust settled I was 1 play away from walking away from being the Champion of the entire thing. I finished 2nd in the regular season and 3rd in the playoffs missing 2nd by .4 and 1st by 6 pts. Those 2 teams scored on the final drive of the GB/Oak game on Monday night that year. If GB doesn't score that final drive I would have won the whole ball and wax out of 72 teams.So my answer is it depends on which WR's you can get. You can't reach you have to make calculated picks you have to have some luck fall to you (In 2003 I picked up Dominick Davis off of waivers that was huge).Any strategy can work if you take the players that produce. In 2007 I had a team start WR-WR-TE-WR and I won the league by 200 pts. (high stakes league with experienced drafters) In 2008 I had a team start off WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-QB took my 1st RB at the end of round 7...came in 2nd place.Just saying any strategy can work if you find value, get a little luck and find good waiver wire pickups and RB is usually the easiest position to get a nice pick up from the waiver wire if you can find that player before the other teams that is.
I see what you are saying but the point of the strategy is to get two top 5 WRs. These are the core of your team and with the other WR you are going to take you are planning on outscoring other teams WR corp more than they outscore your RB corp. Now if you draft two WRs and that causes some sort of WR run that is all the better for you because somebody will be doing some reaching. Remember what we are discussing is a mandatory start 3 WR league. Being able to start 3 top 20 WRs in such a league is a very big advantage. If you hit with two top ten WRs and have a top 15 or 20 as your third WR all the better. My argument is the three WR draft strategy is the best way to get a team that can score enough points to seperate yourself from the crowd.'Bri said:
This looks to be a very nice team and proves any strategy can be changed if the value is not there. I suppose the strategy should be called pick two stud WRs with an eye on another in the 3rd but reevaluate the situation.
yeah and your third WR would be mush because you started the run
Absolute "Genius" answer.. couldn't have said it better myself... if you do this strategy you will make the Playoffs 90% of the time.. and making the playoffs is all you have to do to get to the "BIG DANCE"
based on what, you are a little vague here. Most others are offering more detailed insight
Possibly but if the WRs are mush than the the RB pool is going to be nearly the same as the one you had at the end of the first. I am not sure where you consider the WRs becoming mush but there are only 35 spots before your 3rd and 4th round picks. Lets say in a typical league 2 QBs get picked in those 35, although some leagues could be 3 or 4, but let's say 2. WRs becominig mush has to be somewhere in the 15 plus WR range so let's say you got 15 WRs taken. That means only 18 RBs have been taken. If this is the case I might take the best RB option and the top ranked TE. But if you stuck doggedly to the plan and took the 16th WR off the board your 3rd WR is going to be a player that someone was counting on as a solid Number 2 WR and he is your third behind say Fitz and CJ. You probably have a 10 to 15 point advantage a game over virtually every other WR corp in the league at that point. Paired with a good TE and QB that WR corp can carry the substandard RB corp. In this example you get the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs, the 16th WR, and the 19th ranked RB. That means starting CJ, Fitz or Roddy White or Nicks etc. take your pick, and say a Steve Johnson, Marshall, Holmes, etc. with a potential top ten RB in Hillis, Felix Jones, Micheal Turner, Blunt, or Bradshaw as your number 1 RB. If 20 WRs are taken, about where I would consider things mushy, that means only 13 RBs have been taken. At that point you are certainly drafting in the same tier as you would have taking one or two RBs in your first two picks. If everyone else goes traditional and does two RBs that means there are only 13 spots left to take QBs and WRs. It is conceivable in that case you get CJ, Fitz, and maybe a Desean Jackson, Reggie Wayne, Austin Miles type for your 3rd WR, but only the 10th or 11th WR taken. Barring bust or injury that WR corp is going to be able to carry the long shots you draft at RB a long ways.
The danger here is you may well see more than normal numbers of RBs taken in the first 3 rounds. Some one is going to be stuck in the "always start a RBin your flex spot mode" and take 3 RBs. If you get two or three people doing that you might find yourself on the end of a nasty RB run in the first three rounds. Of course it makes your 3rd WR choice even better but if you end up with 3 WRs and only 1 RB in this type of league by the time you are looking to draft a starting RB in the 5th and 6th rounds there is a good chance there will be 30 plus RBs gone. At that point you are counting on some back half of RBBCs and wishes. In 3 WR leagues you still find the bottom end starting RBs in the 5th round, say someone in the 25 to 30 range in ranking, my experience has been in the Flex leagues like this pressure hits the RBs harder. Ecspecially in a .5 PPR league the top 25 RBs are going to evaporate quickly and you are most likely going to be facing some RB Whores as opponents. The much safer play in this type of league is a RB and WR combo pick to start.
And finally since I have to go to bed, the making of this type of strategy implies that we have already gone thru the value calculations and done mocks either on line or just mentally. I am convinced that in a league where you start 3 WR the draft two studs WR at the end of the 1st round start of the second round is where the value is. The key then becomes to determine which of the stud WRs really will be studs this year, and which of the lower ranked RBs in the 18 to 28 range are the ones with shots of over performing their ranking. After that the best value for your 3rd and 4th pick will probably be another wr and a rb, thus the WR WR WR strategy. Anyone dumb enough to blindly draft a strategy deserves to lose, although they may still win if the conditions for the strategy is fulfilled in the draft they are taking part in at that moment. If you can't recognize when the conditions of the draft you are in call for a change in strategy you simply aren't a good fantasy player and quite frankly it shouldn't have to be said that before every pick you make in a draft you should make a scan of your lists for extraordinary value.
In one of my big leagues with PPR I did a few years back. I did 1-Fitz, 2-A. Johnson, 3-Calvin Johnson... but then had (Forte, C. Johnson, S. Slaton all as rookies).I ended up winning that year big. However might be tough to find that type of running back production in rounds 5+ this year.
It happens every year.
