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Thoughts on Jaguars WRs now? (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Jerry Porter -start
Troy Williamson - WR3
Reggie Williams - start
Dennis Northcutt - depth
Matt Jones - cut
John Broussard - who?
Mike Walker - I know this guy is everyones sleeper darling, but come on
Charles Sharon(PS) - ps next year
Troy Williamson - WR3
Reggie Williams - start
Dennis Northcutt - depth
Matt Jones - cut
John Broussard - who?
Mike Walker - I know this guy is everyones sleeper darling, but come on
Charles Sharon(PS) - ps next year
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I do think we need to see proof that Williamson can be more productive than Northcutt, who is a "Reche Caldwell" kind of a guy. Williamson COULD be an A but he hasn't shown it yet.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Congrats to the Jags on trading for a turd (Williamson) and signing a bucket of piss (Porter). They would have been better off retaining their free agents.
FavreCo
Footballguy
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Footballguy
:crossfingers: Would love to see this guy go somewhere else.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
They are just throwing darts at this point.
Who is calling the shots over there ?
Who is calling the shots over there ?
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Going into camp....
Reggie Williams- start
Jerry Porter- start
Dennis Northcut- traded/WR3
Troy Williamson- cut/WR3
John Broussard- Practice Squad
Matt Jones- traded
Mike Walker- PUP list
I still think that the Jaguars target a reciever in the mid rounds of the draft. I do not think they will carry 6 recievers this season and if Mike Walker isn't up to speed, we may see him on the IR once again. I don't think they'll take any chances with him, given their depth at the position.
Reggie Williams- start
Jerry Porter- start
Dennis Northcut- traded/WR3
Troy Williamson- cut/WR3
John Broussard- Practice Squad
Matt Jones- traded
Mike Walker- PUP list
I still think that the Jaguars target a reciever in the mid rounds of the draft. I do not think they will carry 6 recievers this season and if Mike Walker isn't up to speed, we may see him on the IR once again. I don't think they'll take any chances with him, given their depth at the position.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think you nailed it too.The people saying Mike Walker has the talent to be a WR#1 in the league sound an awful lot like the Matt Jones fans saying more or less the same thing before he had shown anything on the field that would lead anyone to believe it. Well except for the fact Walker was a third rounder and is coming off an injury and Jones was a first rounder. I think Walker has some work ahead of him to be the next Matt Jones... he's more like the next Tyrone Calico at this point.
jurb26
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with this sentiment, however I do think Jack at least improved their overall talent at the WR position by adding Porter and Williamson. So while I still see no clear front runners for any of the depth spots, I can't see these additions as a bad thing. My guess is that Porter will emerge as a starter. After that, I really haven't a clue. If Williamson puts it all together (catches the ball) he will be their best WR. Williams has at least proven reliable, though one dimensional. I agree with those saying Jones will be cut or dealt at this point. The fact that the team is pretty much giving the WR group a total make over doesn't speak well for his future. I think the same goes for Walker. If they were even half as impressed with him as the people on these boards I don't see why they make these moves. The proof is in the teams actions.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?
Reports are surfacing about Walker also having a micro fracture in his (tibia?) to go along with his ACL injury. My guess is that they're banking on him to not be ready for the season opener- hence the moves. It's not like anything major was done, sans the Porter deal, which makes Jones expendable. Williamson at this point doesn't have a great shot at even making the roster. He's going to be a project that if he pans out will help us immensely and if he does not, no skin off our noses. Hell, I think they may even go WR in one of the mid rounds if he is BPA.Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
jurb26
Footballguy
Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
FUBAR
Footballguy
what was the question?A) Who is going to destroy our countryB) Who is the anti-christC) Who's middle name is the source of stupid debateD) Hoosier Daddy?
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Matt Jones will land in Indy.
dirk diggler
Footballguy
Are there any facts to support this?
DWidmar
Footballguy
Reggie Williams = Starter, WR#1 (at this point Garrard trusts him the most)Jerry Porter = Starter, WR #2Troy Williamson = Slot WR WR #3 (I followed this guy in college, if they use him like Wes Welker, short dump off passes, across middle, he can be effective and start gaining more confidence)Northcutt = depthWalker = depth (has to overcome injury concerns from college and so far in the pro's, has shown flashes, in college, of being dominant)Sharon = depth with potentialMatt Jones = cut (paid too much money not to be a starter)Broussard = ??? got to think cut (IIRC is a smaller speedy guy, young and showed a little last preseason but too many wr's ahead of him)
Well, Jones is different. Converted QB, tremendous tremendous athletic ability. So much so that, I wonder why they haven't used him at another position. Can he play CB? How about in spots against tall WRs?(that's a pressing need for alot of teams) Safety? Return kicks? I've always wonderred why the Jags couldn't find a role for him (that he worked well in) yet used a 1st rounder to grab him. All that physical ability and what seems to be a decent head on his shoulders where he's willing to learn.....waste IMO.The Jags were a terrible WR corps by any coaching/coaches standards, outside of DelRio. Route running, blocking, you name it, they didn't do them well. Charles Sharon spent a year on the PS learning and working on technique. Walker was well schooled in college. So last summer, for a period, those two and Northcutt who is a polished veteran, all appeared to be the best. It was a process that needed to happen. Reggie, Wilford, Matt...they all started to pay attention to "the little things" that really aren't so little. Then the WR depth seemed to fall back in line with how everyone thought it'd originally be.I think if you go back thru the Ask Vic columns/Q&As or the news archive at jags.com you can see that transition last summer for yourself.Walker is(or was depending on recovery) just a good young prospect now that the WR corps has woken up and done everything a WR should do.For FF, I hated DelRio for doing that and had Sharon or Walker in every league but it was genius and ballsy IMO. Alot of people believed Walker and/or Sharon were playing in 07, and thus assumed one of their main 3 was left out.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Showed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?Reports are surfacing about Walker also having a micro fracture in his (tibia?) to go along with his ACL injury. My guess is that they're banking on him to not be ready for the season opener- hence the moves. It's not like anything major was done, sans the Porter deal, which makes Jones expendable. Williamson at this point doesn't have a great shot at even making the roster. He's going to be a project that if he pans out will help us immensely and if he does not, no skin off our noses. Hell, I think they may even go WR in one of the mid rounds if he is BPA.
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Just wishful thinking.I sincerely believe he would add a new dimension (tall, redzone threat) to their arsenal.
jurb26
Footballguy
So one TC has cemented this perception...Showed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Meh, you were probably a David Boston skeptic too. That guy was a FORCE in training camp last year and look how...So one TC has cemented this perception...Showed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?Reports are surfacing about Walker also having a micro fracture in his (tibia?) to go along with his ACL injury. My guess is that they're banking on him to not be ready for the season opener- hence the moves. It's not like anything major was done, sans the Porter deal, which makes Jones expendable. Williamson at this point doesn't have a great shot at even making the roster. He's going to be a project that if he pans out will help us immensely and if he does not, no skin off our noses. Hell, I think they may even go WR in one of the mid rounds if he is BPA.
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm really torn on this one. Porter isn't as bad as people around here label him. Did you know he's converted better than 56% of his targets over his career? Compare that to Bernard "$42mm" Berrian and his 51% rate; among the worst for projected starters in 2008. Porter has great size, and to those saying he's slow, it's hard to ignore the fact he averaged 16.0 yards per catch this season with WHO EXACTLY throwing him the ball?
I'm not saying Porter is a brilliant signing or that he'll burst onto the scene as a 1,000-yard, Pro Bowl caliber player for Jacksonville. But I do think he's a solid player with not only a more well rounded game than Berrian, but a more proven ability to score from anywhere on the field.
Now the Williamson trade makes less sense to me; although they aren't taking a big risk in bringing him aboard. If he's at all capable of stretching the field for the bigger Williams/Porter and the rushing attack, it's a gamble worth making.
I'm not saying Porter is a brilliant signing or that he'll burst onto the scene as a 1,000-yard, Pro Bowl caliber player for Jacksonville. But I do think he's a solid player with not only a more well rounded game than Berrian, but a more proven ability to score from anywhere on the field.
Now the Williamson trade makes less sense to me; although they aren't taking a big risk in bringing him aboard. If he's at all capable of stretching the field for the bigger Williams/Porter and the rushing attack, it's a gamble worth making.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
There are reasons people are overly down on Porter now...- He was a malcontent off the field. I give him props for having the nad to park in Al Davis's parking spot in an attempt to get released/traded. Now that's just classic. - He was SOOO overhyped for so long. There were raider fans saying Porter was going to step in and replace Tim Brown without skipping a beat. Pretty lofty expectations by the FF community for a guy that's never had 1k yard season.- Porter will be 30 this season and Berrian 27. Berrian has progressively gotten better each season while Porter seems to have peaked four years ago(just about the age Barrian is now).
AllVolUT
Footballguy
Not disagreeing with your overall post, but who doesn't become a malcontent after that debacle of the franchise Al Davis is running...?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
kellumsboys
Footballguy
wasn't the question, "which democrat will raise your taxes the most ? "still not sure of the answer.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Neither has berrian.
Given the deals they both signed, I think the Porter signing is a better value. Both are upgrades over Wilford, but I trust Porter's hands over Berrian's twice on Sunday. The Jags have long struggled with drops and Porter fills a niche role on the Jags better than Berrian. I agree with Jason here; I'm not saying he'll be a superstar player in this offense, but I have no doubts he will be effective. I think he will surprise a lot of folks. Aside from Mike Walker, he's the most dynamic of all Jags' recievers.
FUBAR
Footballguy
funny, I would have said "New England" if Moss isn't re-signed.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Tyrion
Footballguy
I thought that was George W. Bush.
duece2626
Footballguy
8/2/2005: Signed a five-year, $8.45 million contract. The deal includes $6.07 million in guarantees. 2008: $625,000, 2009: $565,000, 2010: Free Agent
2005 230000.00 2006 350000.00 2007 575000.00 2008 625000.00 2009 565000.00 from nflpa site
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
mmmm okShowed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
Max Power
Footballguy
At least that is trade-able
azngangster
Footballguy
It is amazing to me that a team can sign two free agent wrs and still not look that much better at the wr position.
FUBAR
Footballguy
oh, come on now, all rookies who look good in TC make it into the HOF.mmmm okShowed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?Reports are surfacing about Walker also having a micro fracture in his (tibia?) to go along with his ACL injury. My guess is that they're banking on him to not be ready for the season opener- hence the moves. It's not like anything major was done, sans the Porter deal, which makes Jones expendable. Williamson at this point doesn't have a great shot at even making the roster. He's going to be a project that if he pans out will help us immensely and if he does not, no skin off our noses. Hell, I think they may even go WR in one of the mid rounds if he is BPA.
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Thanks for contributing. I love all the kneejerk reactions to the addition of Williamson in particular.oh, come on now, all rookies who look good in TC make it into the HOF.mmmm okShowed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
and hopeful that former Hog Matt Jones gets a new opportunity. His perceived lackadaisacal attitude did not mesh at all with Del Rio.
FUBAR
Footballguy
My comment has nothing to do with Williamson, who I don't consider a legitimate factor anyway. I actually like Walker, but the "future of the franchise"? Walker is probably the 3rd WR right now. He might eventually become the #1, but the term is grossly overused.Thanks for contributing. I love all the kneejerk reactions to the addition of Williamson in particular.oh, come on now, all rookies who look good in TC make it into the HOF.mmmm okShowed a multi-dimensional game that nobody currently on the roster has. Has the best hands, runs the best routes, has the best leaping ability. I'd say thats enough to go on thus far. During TC last year, he was easily the best WR on the roster, and it wasn't even close.Exactly what has Walker done to prove that he is the "future of this franchise?"He was just able to start running very recently. I've sounded like a broken record on this topic, but his injuries may be worse than they feared. Why aren't people noting this?Reports are surfacing about Walker also having a micro fracture in his (tibia?) to go along with his ACL injury. My guess is that they're banking on him to not be ready for the season opener- hence the moves. It's not like anything major was done, sans the Porter deal, which makes Jones expendable. Williamson at this point doesn't have a great shot at even making the roster. He's going to be a project that if he pans out will help us immensely and if he does not, no skin off our noses. Hell, I think they may even go WR in one of the mid rounds if he is BPA.
Let's not jump to forgone conclusions just yet. Walker is the future of this franchise if/once he recovers fully from the injury.
massraider
Footballguy
That 56% target number is surprisingly impressive, and the 16.0 average is certainly nice. Which might lead a Jags fan to think they have a chain mover on their hands, and a deep threat to boot. Just goes to show that Mark Twain's line about statistics was dead on.Porter's attitude isn't going to be a problem in Jax. He saw the 2006 nightmare happening, and was essentially blackballed for mouthing off. He could have been a good soldier, but he didn't. In a nutshell, he's a wide receiver. Prima donna, with a little cocker spaniel mixed in. I think his teammates will like him, he's a gregarious guy. He is slow. I don't care what he averages per catch. He gets caught from behind, and never separates on the deep routes. The guy is not a burner. He used to have some speed, but he has lost a step. I think it coincided with his sudden fascination with weight training. Jags fans, he is gonna show up in August totally shredded. You'll be posting training camp pics of him with his shirt off, marveling at what a hard worker he is. Those muscles don't make him any faster. I actually think they make him stiff. Just my guess. And he wasn't a burner in the first place. Check his per catch average in years other than 2007.12.415.612.913.511.6My biggest problem with the Jags signing Porter is, don't they already have a better version of this exact same guy?? Porter and Williams together you can sag the zones, because no one is worried about them getting deep.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Ben wants a tall WR
schooner44
Footballguy
My thoughts on Jax WRs now: Jax just spent money to bring in 2 more very talented, very under-achieving WRs and now they have a giant mess on their hands. I suspect Williams will be cut by middle of training camp and Jones could follow soon after. What Jax should have done was thrown a ton of money at Moss and let his ability to draw double and triple teams allow the current WRs to really blossom. They need experience and not under archivers. Moulds might even be a good fit to teach some of these young guys the ropes--both Lee Evans and Peerless Price benefited from his tutelage.
duece2626
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Do you mean Williamson to be cut in training camp? No way will they cut Williams. And I doubt they cut Jones either. He is on his rookie contract and is inexpensive.
redman
Footballguy
Doesn't Roy Hall fit that description?
