thoughts on long term value (1 Viewer)

[Jackal]

what are your thoughts on his long term future? qb issues are a problem. he is still relatively young. i can't seem to settle on how i feel about him

 

[cscmtp]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I like the fact that Brooks essentially throws the same "deep ball" as Culpepper. The high arch allows Moss to use his leaping ability and speed to separate from the defender.

 

[pgreenfan]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I understand the concerns but have a very hard time putting him outside of the top 5 for dynasty leagues. 1. Fitzgerald

2. Chad Johnson

3. Steve Smiff

4. Randy Moss

5. Torry Holt

 

[Blackjacks]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I understand the concerns but have a very hard time putting him outside of the top 5 for dynasty leagues. 1. Fitzgerald

2. Chad Johnson

3. Steve Smiff

4. Randy Moss

5. Torry Holt

I agree with your five but a different orderHolt

Fitz

Moss

Johnson

Smith

 

[Weiner Dog]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I understand the concerns but have a very hard time putting him outside of the top 5 for dynasty leagues. 1. Fitzgerald

2. Chad Johnson

3. Steve Smiff

4. Randy Moss

5. Torry Holt

I agree with your five but a different orderHolt

Fitz

Moss

Johnson

Smith

I also believe it's nearly impossible to leave Holt out of the Top-3. The guy posted 102-1331-9 last year despite playing on a gimp knee and missing two games. He also will not be 30 for another few months.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think Moss will be fine. He has a new QB and a new system. Norv Turner had never really been known for a passing game and he was hurt and he was still top 15. I think there a very few wr's in the league that could be on a run first team and be injured and still put up good #'s. It really does depend on how Shell decides to use him. Injuries are unfortunetly just a thing that happens. Now if Moss had missed half of season due to conduct (TO) then there might be a reason to drop him down but it did look like at the end of the season he was getting things going and Brooks does usually lock onto his #1 wr. I think as long as he gets these minor injuries out of his head (and legs) you'll see Randy be a normal top 5 guy like he had been prior to the last 2 years for the next 5 to 6 years.

 

[Blackjacks]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I understand the concerns but have a very hard time putting him outside of the top 5 for dynasty leagues. 1. Fitzgerald

2. Chad Johnson

3. Steve Smiff

4. Randy Moss

5. Torry Holt

I agree with your five but a different orderHolt

Fitz

Moss

Johnson

Smith

I also believe it's nearly impossible to leave Holt out of the Top-3. The guy posted 102-1331-9 last year despite playing on a gimp knee and missing two games. He also will not be 30 for another few months.

What does Randy Moss and Chris Chambers have in common?They had their career years with Linnehan as their OC.

Welcome to Stl Mr. Linnehan.

Welcome Torry to the #1 spot.

 

[cscmtp]

i hope Moss does well. I just think when you look at his injuries, and how poor his team is, you could make a case for-

CJ

Holt

S.Smith

Fitz

Boldin

Wayne

And dare i say it...Chambers?

 

[Blackjacks]

i hope Moss does well. I just think when you look at his injuries, and how poor his team is, you could make a case for-

CJ

Holt

S.Smith

Fitz

Boldin

Wayne

And dare i say it...Chambers?

Let me ask you a ? If you were drafting right now, would you draft Chambers or Wayne in front of Moss? I can make a case for the other 4 guys but if you were drafting for a redraft or a dynasty I think Moss will be picked in the top 5. If you would draft one of those guys good for you but I wouldn't. I like to rank players where I would pick them and I know Moss wouldn't get past 5 for me.

 

[Baracuda]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss. A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there. I think he'll rebound next year.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss. A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there. I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

 

[cscmtp]

i hope you guys are right! I have Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Boldin, and Walker in one dynasty league. I'd love to have a healthy Randy Moss back!

 

[datonn]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss. A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there. I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

 

[Jackal]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss.  A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there.  I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

i have been offered two first rounders for moss. a 3 overall this year and his #1 next year. i already hold the number 2 this year, which i hope will be the rb in indy. if denver happens to take someone high i might have to think about taking that offer.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss. A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there. I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

i have been offered two first rounders for moss. a 3 overall this year and his #1 next year. i already hold the number 2 this year, which i hope will be the rb in indy. if denver happens to take someone high i might have to think about taking that offer.

that's tough to say no to, who are you other wr's?

 

[H.K.]

What does Randy Moss and Chris Chambers have in common?

They had their career years with Linnehan as their OC.

Welcome to Stl Mr. Linnehan.

Welcome Torry to the #1 spot.

Keep this kind of stuff to yourself, now everyone will know!BTW,

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

What does Randy Moss and Chris Chambers have in common?

They had their career years with Linnehan as their OC.

Welcome to Stl Mr. Linnehan.

Welcome Torry to the #1 spot.

Nice bit of info there, thanks.

 

[UnknownCoach]

I think he has a better QB situation than he did. Only thing that would hurt would be if they drafted Vince Young. He should get more receptions and more TDs with Brooks there. So his short term value is as good as ever. Long term value just depends on if they are going to throw some young QB like Young in there in the next year or two. That would put a temporary hit on his value once it happened.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think he has a better QB situation than he did. Only thing that would hurt would be if they drafted Vince Young. He should get more receptions and more TDs with Brooks there. So his short term value is as good as ever. Long term value just depends on if they are going to throw some young QB like Young in there in the next year or two. That would put a temporary hit on his value once it happened.

Also to remember they draft Andrew Walter last year who would have been a first round pick had he not got injuried. Andrew throws a great deep ball and it actually a really good qb. This is the reason I believe you won't see Vince Young in black and silver.

 

[Jackal]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss.  A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there.  I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

i have been offered two first rounders for moss. a 3 overall this year and his #1 next year. i already hold the number 2 this year, which i hope will be the rb in indy. if denver happens to take someone high i might have to think about taking that offer.

that's tough to say no to, who are you other wr's?

roy williamsmike williams

andre johnson

antonio bryant

donte stallworth

braylon edwards

 

[ericttspikes]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I keep seeing this comment that Randy doesn't train. I read a Sports Illustrated and article on him and saw a couple of in depth interviews last year that was really contrary to that perception. He seemed like he was really working hard in the off season on his own. Maybe his body is giving out, maybe it's just bad luck or maybe all the working out might be the problem but I don't buy that Randy Moss didn't train hard last year. I do think he will be a decent risk/reward pick, especially for teams in distance scoring leagues. When he is 90% he has proven he can do damage with the long ball.

 

[CA_7]

i think unless he learns how to stretch and train better, he's going to be a "relative" bust for the amount of talent and brilliance he's shown us in the past. But this is 2 straight years that he has had significant injuries. I own him in a dynasty league, and hope he bounces back. But i can think of 5-7 WRs i like better now.

I keep seeing this comment that Randy doesn't train. I read a Sports Illustrated and article on him and saw a couple of in depth interviews last year that was really contrary to that perception. He seemed like he was really working hard in the off season on his own. Maybe his body is giving out, maybe it's just bad luck or maybe all the working out might be the problem but I don't buy that Randy Moss didn't train hard last year. I do think he will be a decent risk/reward pick, especially for teams in distance scoring leagues. When he is 90% he has proven he can do damage with the long ball.

Thank you. I was going to post the exact same response

 

[Blackjacks]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss. A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there. I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

i have been offered two first rounders for moss. a 3 overall this year and his #1 next year. i already hold the number 2 this year, which i hope will be the rb in indy. if denver happens to take someone high i might have to think about taking that offer.

that's tough to say no to, who are you other wr's?

roy williamsmike williams

andre johnson

antonio bryant

donte stallworth

braylon edwards

I'd keep Randy

 

[SoloMatisse]

I dont think Randy Moss has the mentality to be built for the long haul like someone like Jerry Rice, Tim Brown or Steve Largent. I dont think he maintains the same drive, discipline and focus that guys like that possess. More natural ability, but far less intangible ability. Now he's playing on a really bad team...easily the worst in that West division with absolutely NO clear direction. I think it will wear on him and he'll be just another great player playing for a paycheck. Get him cheap if you want....I wouldnt want him.

 

[BlueOnion]

what are your thoughts on his long term future? qb issues are a problem. he is still relatively young. i can't seem to settle on how i feel about him

Done. Stick a fork in him. Warm up the fat lady because the greatest weapon in the history of the league is done.I love the cat, during his years in Minnesota and still in Oakland, but he has some issues.

1) His foot. He acquired this injury after his rookie year (1998) and it has never fully healed. It never healed when he was 22, 23, 24, 25 or 26. I don't think it will heal now that he is 28. (guessing at ages).

2) His Back. He started having back problems in 2001 and it has never really healed. For those of us with back problems, expecting them to heal is a little foolish.

3) His hamstring. Over his last two seasons with the Vikings, it is all I heard; hamstring this, hamstring that. I was not shocked to see his first year in Oakland was hampered by....the hamstring.

The guy has to be pushing 29. He has a history of injuries and an inability to heal from injuries. I was blown away by his speed in 1998 (Thanksgiving, Dallas, 3 catches, 150 yards 3 touchdowns), but that #18 in silver and black is a shadow of the player I use to love to watch play the game.

 

[Buttmonkey]

what are your thoughts on his long term future? qb issues are a problem. he is still relatively young. i can't seem to settle on how i feel about him

Done. Stick a fork in him. Warm up the fat lady because the greatest weapon in the history of the league is done.I love the cat, during his years in Minnesota and still in Oakland, but he has some issues.

1) His foot. He acquired this injury after his rookie year (1998) and it has never fully healed. It never healed when he was 22, 23, 24, 25 or 26. I don't think it will heal now that he is 28. (guessing at ages).

2) His Back. He started having back problems in 2001 and it has never really healed. For those of us with back problems, expecting them to heal is a little foolish.

3) His hamstring. Over his last two seasons with the Vikings, it is all I heard; hamstring this, hamstring that. I was not shocked to see his first year in Oakland was hampered by....the hamstring.

The guy has to be pushing 29. He has a history of injuries and an inability to heal from injuries. I was blown away by his speed in 1998 (Thanksgiving, Dallas, 3 catches, 150 yards 3 touchdowns), but that #18 in silver and black is a shadow of the player I use to love to watch play the game.

So done you mean "not the best in the league by far?" Here's my problem with your analogy - we are used to expecting so much from Moss that anything less is a huge disappointment. You make a good point in addressing the injury issues he's had over the years, but even last year Randy put up 1000 yards and 8 TDs - not spectacular, but I would have to assume that with a better QB (and Brooks is better than Collins - at least fantasy wise), and if he is somewhat healthy (you spoke of the foot issue, but did it really affect him in 2001, 2002, 2003 - NO; and the fact that he does maintain a strong off-season workout regiment, Randy is good for 1200-1400 yards and 10-14 TDs. A lot of people don't like Moss and it clouds their judgement on his performance projections. Always speculate based on fact, not your dislike for the guy. To say he is done is pretty rediculous.

Oh, and nice

 

[UnknownCoach]

1) His foot. He acquired this injury after his rookie year (1998) and it has never fully healed. It never healed when he was 22, 23, 24, 25 or 26. I don't think it will heal now that he is 28. (guessing at ages).

2) His Back. He started having back problems in 2001 and it has never really healed. For those of us with back problems, expecting them to heal is a little foolish.

3) His hamstring. Over his last two seasons with the Vikings, it is all I heard; hamstring this, hamstring that. I was not shocked to see his first year in Oakland was hampered by....the hamstring.

1. foot - Unless its degenerating why is it even an issue?2. Back - Back injuries are preventable and somewhat reversable. Moss has more than enough expertise available to him to overcome a back problem. It does take a lot of committment on his part though.

3. Hamstrings - The bane of every wide receiver. Fully recoverable. Fairly preventable with proper workout habits and pregame stretching. Many receivers have had 2 or 3 in a row never to have problems again. The past in no way equals the future when it comes to hamstring injuries.

Moss is starting to get older and as an older man, needs to devote a greater and greater amount of attention to maintain his body and prevent injuries. Players who listen to the experts and dedicate themselves are much more able to do that. I'm sure Moss's body is giving him that message. After a dissappointing season, he should be plenty motivated to do so.

 

[Traders2001]

I just traded for him but the guy i was targeting in the trade is McGahee.

I gave Fitz and Chester Taylor

for Moss and Mcgahee.

Dynasty league.

I think i did alright if you figure i lost a bit Fitz for Moss but i gained a lot Taylor for Mcgahee.

 

[BlueOnion]

A lot of people don't like Moss and it clouds their judgement on his performance projections. Always speculate based on fact, not your dislike for the guy. To say he is done is pretty rediculous.

Oh, and nice

Fair enough, but keep in mind I hold Randy Moss in the highest regards, I still think he was the greatest weapon ever to step on the field.I was amibigious when I said Moss was done, I simply meant he is clearly not the same player he once was. He'll still put up numbers in games he plays.

On the record, I did say after Minnesota traded Moss that the Raiders would be lucky to get 1 more 16 game season out of Moss; this season may be the last chance.

 

[Spike]

I think NOW is the time to trade for Randy Moss.  A couple of down years due to injury and changing offenses, but the talent is still there.  I think he'll rebound next year.

I think your a smart man. You don't buy a stock when it's at it's max, do you?

That's the same thing I thought when NWAC was sitting at $9.41...VERY low compared to historical trends. Dropped $100 on the stock, then proceeded to watch it free-fall all the way down to around $0.50. As a Moss owner in a dynasty league, I am worried about him....a LOT. He's struggled staying healthy the past few years, and I think a lot of that is his work ethic and training/conditioning. His #1 weapon has been his speed, and he's gonna be turning 30 next year. Those factors, coupled with what I mentioned previously, has me about him.....thinking I should probably try to move him this summer while the getting (value) is good.

i have been offered two first rounders for moss. a 3 overall this year and his #1 next year. i already hold the number 2 this year, which i hope will be the rb in indy. if denver happens to take someone high i might have to think about taking that offer.

In one league I've shopped him in, I've not gotten nearly as good an offer as this.