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thoughts on McNabb? (1 Viewer)

"Donovan is the unquestioned leader on the Eagles, "

"McNabb is the face of the Eagles, the unquestioned leader"

These are overstatements. My guess is that you do not live in Philadelphia. McNabb's leadership skills have been nothing but questioned in the past few years. He handled the whole TO incident poorly and has not stepped up as a leader. Waiting months after the season was over to make ridiculous statements about the T.O. thing as a "black on black crime".

Over the years, Hugh Douglas and Brian Dawkins stepped up to lead when the Eagles needed team leadership in the locker room. McNabb is often aloof making goofy statements, faces and smiling when his team is getting beat down.

That being said, McNabb is extremely talented and there are only a handful of QBs that I would replace him with..........however he has not been a leader for the Eagles.
:goodposting: as a philly resident, i found it amusing how Jon Runyan and Freddie Mitchell caught little or no slack for calling their 'leader' McNabb out on his puking & hyperventillating (spelling?) incident and putrid execution of the two minute offense in the super bowl, but when TO mentions something the whole world paints him as a troublemaker. Sure, TO's issues are cumulative and not the result of one single incident but saying that McNabb is the unquestioned leader is ridiculous. TO led by example with his nothing-short-of-amazing comeback and performance in the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 1/2 the leader he's painted to be by some in this post, he would have called TO directly or had a players only meeting once he came back to the team. it never would have escalated to the point it did. The 'black on black crime' thing is so ridiculous it doesnt even warrant commentary, but i'd find it hard to believe any of his teammates called him to voice their sympathy for him when they heard about it.

Most fans also forget that McNabb is the one who went out of his way to sell management, his teammates, fans and the coaching staff on TO despite his track record of being a troublemaker in SF. A lack of a big time WR was supposedly the only reason they lost to carolina in the conference finals. That first year he and TO did all kindsa interviews together where McPuke proclaimed that he had no concerns about Owens, how well they get along etc. Once things got a little sketchy he was nowhere to be found. Granted, TO never shoulda signed a contract if he knew it would be unfair 12 months later, but he did what he had to do to get out of baltimore and his downfall came when he wasnt willing to live with the consequences of his decision...but this post isnt about TO but Mcnabb...

Yeah - McNabb is talented but he'll be overdrafted in every league this year. He will be on the cover of some magazines and odds are that somebody will take him in the first two rounds while the rest of us nab a solid rb or wr and pick up much better value at qb later in the draft.

Eagles defensive struggles, Reid's reluctance to run the ball, lack of a tough yards rb, and the rest of the defenses in the division no longer being the cakewalk they were in 02, 03 and 04 all factor into his not being worth a top pick.
I wish you ungrateful Philly fans would have had your way and drafted Ricky Williams. You guys don't deserve a classy player like McNabb.
 
How much did they throw last year? I was under the impression they threw way more than 50% of the time. Can't imagine they'll maintain their high rate of last season.

 
McNabb is far more of a classic pocket passer than in 2000-2002.

He would look to his first 2 choices then run to make a play.

Now he would rather check two options, scramble to try and get a 3rd or 4th option, then run.

That difference leads to less of run production.

As far as his ability as a QB, he can make you scratch your head and tear your hair out all season. He has accuracy problems, many of which aren't really addressed or pointed out as much as they should be. Many throws, usually early in the game, bounce at the feet of open receivers or sail over their heads - and usually they are short passes (under 10 yards down field).

His completion % in this offense (a WCO variant) should be in the mid 60s. He struggles to approach 60%.

However, with the playcalling at 60%+ for passing with #5, I'd expect him in the Top 10 for certain this year even if it is Pinkston at the 2 opposite Reggie Brown.

 
just reviewing last year's stats, this was McNabb's pace over 9 games extrapolated to the whole season:

375/634 for 4457 yards.....wow

even with TO gone, I think the Eagles are still going to throw the ball A LOT. Don't have any real ADP to go off of yet, but I'm starting to think many are dropping McNabb too much in their rankings. I could still see him flirting with the top 5.

 
just reviewing last year's stats, this was McNabb's pace over 9 games extrapolated to the whole season:

375/634 for 4457 yards.....wow

even with TO gone, I think the Eagles are still going to throw the ball A LOT.  Don't have any real ADP to go off of yet, but I'm starting to think many are dropping McNabb too much in their rankings.  I could still see him flirting with the top 5.

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The numbers your extrapolating were McNabb with Terrell Owens except for 2 games.TO 2005

Terrell Owens career stats | 2005 Philadelphia Eagles |

+----------+--------+-------------+----+

| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC  YD  | TD |

+----------+--------+-------------+----+

|  1  atl  |    0  |    7  112  |  0 |

|  2  sfo  |    0  |    5  143  |  2 |

|  3  oak  |    0  |    9    80  |  1 |

|  4  kan  |    0  |  11  171  |  1 |

|  5  dal  |    0  |    5    50  |  0 |

|  7  sdg  |    0  |    7    53  |  1 |

|  8  den  |    2  |    3  154  |  1 |

+----------+--------+-------------+----+

|  TOTAL  |    2  |  47  763  |  6 |

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
I don't see anyone on the Eagles roster that is going to replace production like this.McNabb is not the runner he once was either. I expect his passing numbers to return to where they were before TO joined the Eagles:

              +---------------------------------------+-----------------+

                |              Passing                  |    Rushing    |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year  TM |  G |  Comp  Att  PCT    YD  Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 1999 phi |  12 |  106  216  49.1  948  4.4  8  7 |    47  313  0 |

| 2000 phi |  16 |  330  569  58.0  3365  5.9  21  13 |    86  629  6 |

| 2001 phi |  16 |  285  493  57.8  3233  6.6  25  12 |    82  482  2 |

| 2002 phi |  10 |  211  361  58.4  2289  6.3  17  6 |    63  460  6 |

| 2003 phi |  16 |  275  478  57.5  3216  6.7  16  11 |    71  355  3 |

| 2004 phi |  15 |  300  469  64.0  3875  8.3  31  8 |    41  220  3 |

| 2005 phi |  9 |  211  357  59.1  2507  7.0  16  9 |    25    55  1 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

|  TOTAL  |  94 |  1718  2943  58.4 19433  6.6 134  66 |  415  2514  21 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
3,200 yards and 20 some TDs is not that bad but won't crack top 10 much less top 5 unless you see him running the ball like he did preinjury.
 
just reviewing last year's stats, this was McNabb's pace over 9 games extrapolated to the whole season:

375/634 for 4457 yards.....wow

[SIZE=14pt]even with TO gone[/SIZE], I think the Eagles are still going to throw the ball A LOT.  Don't have any real ADP to go off of yet, but I'm starting to think many are dropping McNabb too much in their rankings.  I could still see him flirting with the top 5.

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The numbers your extrapolating were McNabb with Terrell Owens except for 2 games.
believe it or not, I was aware
3,200 yards and 20 some TDs is not that bad but won't crack top 10 much less top 5 unless you see him running the ball like he did preinjury.
3200 yds at 7 YPA is 457 attempts. I don't see the number of attempts dropping from 634 (pace) to 457 unless the running game improves significantly, and I don't see any evidence to show that it will.Obviously his numbers go down with TO gone, but his PPG was #1 last year (21.3).

 
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569 pass attempts are the highest he has had so far. If he can improve his completion percentage then perhaps convert more 3rd downs that could boost the total number of attempts.

I think your projection is high.

PPG last year was primarily with TO also so I do see where these 2 things meet.

 
just reviewing last year's stats, this was McNabb's pace over 9 games extrapolated to the whole season:

375/634 for 4457 yards.....wow

even with TO gone, I think the Eagles are still going to throw the ball A LOT.  Don't have any real ADP to go off of yet, but I'm starting to think many are dropping McNabb too much in their rankings.  I could still see him flirting with the top 5.

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:goodposting: This is what I have been telling people since the end of last year.

The Eagles threw the ball so much last year that if McNabb had stayed healthy he would have had a fantastic year. (FF wise). This year the Eagles will be throwing the ball a ton

and McNabb will be in the top 5 and maybe higher.

 

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