thoughts on the jags-texans game (1 Viewer)

[pollardsvision]

i don't know how many of you saw this game, but i'm assuming it's a small %age, as the jags aren't a huge draw. but it was quite an interesting game.

the scoreboard didn't show it, but it was an absolute dogfight for the 1st 3 quarters.

an interesting and key moment was the 2nd quarter onsides kick.

the texans really domiated the 1st quarter in every way. the marched down the field on the 1st few drives of the game. the jags D held strong in the red-zone and kept the texans to a couple of field goals. the jags offense never got in a rythmn and made a few bad turnovers, it was ugly for a while. the 1st 3 drives ended with a missed FG and 2 fumbles.

then the jags put together a really long scoring drive (13 plays, 6 min.), with about 3:00 left in the half with the score at 7-6. this is when the onsides kick came and it was beautiful b/c the texans D was winded and it kept the texans from getting that all important end of half score that swings momentum.

the kick itself may prove revolutionary. karney just rolled it slowly on the ground, straight ahead. meanwhile, 6 jags went straight ahead, in front of karney and the ball, to block. karney just fell on it as soon as it passed 10 yards. it was incredibly simple and effective. i have a feeling we'll see more onsides kicks executed this way.

the jags only got a FG out of it, but given the timing and sway of the game at the time, i think it had a huge effect on the 2nd half, which was just pure jags domination.

to paraphrase gus johnson, the announcer. "the nfl is a big, physical league, but you haven't seen physical until you've watched these jacksonville jaguars"

just some thoughts from a game and a team that i don't think many people watch(ed).

 

[mrspree15]

i don't know how many of you saw this game, but i'm assuming it's a small %age, as the jags aren't a huge draw. but it was quite an interesting game.

the scoreboard didn't show it, but it was an absolute dogfight for the 1st 3 quarters.

an interesting and key moment was the 2nd quarter onsides kick.

the texans really domiated the 1st quarter in every way. the marched down the field on the 1st few drives of the game. the jags D held strong in the red-zone and kept the texans to a couple of field goals. the jags offense never got in a rythmn and made a few bad turnovers, it was ugly for a while. the 1st 3 drives ended with a missed FG and 2 fumbles.

then the jags put together a really long scoring drive (13 plays, 6 min.), with about 3:00 left in the half with the score at 7-6. this is when the onsides kick came and it was beautiful b/c the texans D was winded and it kept the texans from getting that all important end of half score that swings momentum.

the kick itself may prove revolutionary. karney just rolled it slowly on the ground, straight ahead. meanwhile, 6 jags went straight ahead, in front of karney and the ball, to block. karney just fell on it as soon as it passed 10 yards. it was incredibly simple and effective. i have a feeling we'll see more onsides kicks executed this way.

the jags only got a FG out of it, but given the timing and sway of the game at the time, i think it had a huge effect on the 2nd half, which was just pure jags domination.

to paraphrase gus johnson, the announcer. "the nfl is a big, physical league, but you haven't seen physical until you've watched these jacksonville jaguars"

just some thoughts from a game and a team that i don't think many people watch(ed).

Great American.

 

[porkins]

i don't know how many of you saw this game, but i'm assuming it's a small %age, as the jags aren't a huge draw. but it was quite an interesting game.the scoreboard didn't show it, but it was an absolute dogfight for the 1st 3 quarters.an interesting and key moment was the 2nd quarter onsides kick.the texans really domiated the 1st quarter in every way. the marched down the field on the 1st few drives of the game. the jags D held strong in the red-zone and kept the texans to a couple of field goals. the jags offense never got in a rythmn and made a few bad turnovers, it was ugly for a while. the 1st 3 drives ended with a missed FG and 2 fumbles.then the jags put together a really long scoring drive (13 plays, 6 min.), with about 3:00 left in the half with the score at 7-6. this is when the onsides kick came and it was beautiful b/c the texans D was winded and it kept the texans from getting that all important end of half score that swings momentum.the kick itself may prove revolutionary. karney just rolled it slowly on the ground, straight ahead. meanwhile, 6 jags went straight ahead, in front of karney and the ball, to block. karney just fell on it as soon as it passed 10 yards. it was incredibly simple and effective. i have a feeling we'll see more onsides kicks executed this way.the jags only got a FG out of it, but given the timing and sway of the game at the time, i think it had a huge effect on the 2nd half, which was just pure jags domination.to paraphrase gus johnson, the announcer. "the nfl is a big, physical league, but you haven't seen physical until you've watched these jacksonville jaguars"just some thoughts from a game and a team that i don't think many people watch(ed).

Did they line up for it, or was it a surprise?

 

[Modog814]

I believe Jacksonville is one of the most underrated teams (if not the most). They're not flashy and don't have the fan base so they don't get the coverage teams like NE, Dallas, Indy and Pittsburg get, but they are quietly shutting down teams. They remind me a lot of the Raven's team that won the superbowl a copule years ago. The defense goes out and shuts the other teams down (and holds them to FG's instead of TD's when in the RZ) and the offense does just enough to get the win.

Should be a good MNF game next week, as Jackonville has played the Colts tough the last couple years (3-4 vs Indy last 7 games.)

 

[TommyGilmore]

the kick itself may prove revolutionary.

I've seen it done before, and I've heard announcers say "Why don't teams do this more often?" Send 10 guys in front of you to take out 4-5 guys on the opposition's front line. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[pollardsvision]

some other thoughts from the game, that may help with fantasy

-schaub is a very good QB. the game ultimately got away from him, but he has incredible poise in the pocket. he stayed focused even under incredible pressure. he bailed the texans out with some great throws. he also had an andre davis TD taken away when davis fumbled about 1 inch from the goal-line

-all of the jags WRs, except northcutt, still make bonehead mistakes and drops. williams and jones came through on a few plays, but both had some bad drops and bonehead mistakes. garrard, who's playing great, would be putting up huge stats if he had more than 1 reliable WR.

-they tried the garrard to jones fade in the endzone very often, but it wasn't effective. garrard doesn't have the throw down very well and it doesn't appear that jones would be that great at if the throw was right anyway.

-MJD is getting more involved in the passing game

-MJD got going by doing some more running on off-tackle and stretch-type plays

-f. taylor ran very hard, but i don't think he was on the field in the 2nd half (thus MJD's huge 2nd half). i assume it was his hammy hurting.

-schaub made the jags secondary look pretty bad pretty often during the 1st half.

 

[pollardsvision]

i don't know how many of you saw this game, but i'm assuming it's a small %age, as the jags aren't a huge draw. but it was quite an interesting game.the scoreboard didn't show it, but it was an absolute dogfight for the 1st 3 quarters.an interesting and key moment was the 2nd quarter onsides kick.the texans really domiated the 1st quarter in every way. the marched down the field on the 1st few drives of the game. the jags D held strong in the red-zone and kept the texans to a couple of field goals. the jags offense never got in a rythmn and made a few bad turnovers, it was ugly for a while. the 1st 3 drives ended with a missed FG and 2 fumbles.then the jags put together a really long scoring drive (13 plays, 6 min.), with about 3:00 left in the half with the score at 7-6. this is when the onsides kick came and it was beautiful b/c the texans D was winded and it kept the texans from getting that all important end of half score that swings momentum.the kick itself may prove revolutionary. karney just rolled it slowly on the ground, straight ahead. meanwhile, 6 jags went straight ahead, in front of karney and the ball, to block. karney just fell on it as soon as it passed 10 yards. it was incredibly simple and effective. i have a feeling we'll see more onsides kicks executed this way.the jags only got a FG out of it, but given the timing and sway of the game at the time, i think it had a huge effect on the 2nd half, which was just pure jags domination.to paraphrase gus johnson, the announcer. "the nfl is a big, physical league, but you haven't seen physical until you've watched these jacksonville jaguars"just some thoughts from a game and a team that i don't think many people watch(ed).

Did they line up for it, or was it a surprise?

it was a complete surprise. lined up just like a regular kick, which made sense as it was only the 2nd quarter and they had the lead.karney went slowly to the ball, but other than that, there was no sign until he actually touched the ball.

 

[TommyGilmore]

-all of the jags WRs, except northcutt, still make bonehead mistakes and drops.

Northcutt may never be a star, but he's the kind of solid veteran (Engram, Stokley, Jurevicius) every team should have.

 

[pollardsvision]

-all of the jags WRs, except northcutt, still make bonehead mistakes and drops.

Northcutt may never be a star, but he's the kind of solid veteran (Engram, Stokley, Jurevicius) every team should have.

northcutt is perfect for the jags, he's obviously the only WR that garrard can fully trust.he sort of embodies the jags as a team. an effective veteran that most of the football world doesn't even notice. i hope like hell that jones and williams can get it going, but it seems like it's just taking too long. until/if that happens, northcutt is simply invaluable to this team. a great acquisition that went completely unnoticed.

 

[ready5]

the kick itself may prove revolutionary.

I've seen it done before, and I've heard announcers say "Why don't teams do this more often?" Send 10 guys in front of you to take out 4-5 guys on the opposition's front line. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

most of the successful NFL onside kicks that i've seen have been this type...

 

[Club Leftwich]

The percentages on surprise onside kicks are actually pretty good. I don't know that the Jags approach would work that great in an obvious situation.

 

[Lupe]

The percentages on surprise onside kicks are actually pretty good. I don't know that the Jags approach would work that great in an obvious situation.

The announcers said the kicking team recovers 80% of surprise onside kicks. Its a great strategy if they don't know its coming, you got 4 or 5 guys to block out the 2 or 3 guys on the other team who are already backpedalling when the ball is about to be kicked off. Carney (jacksonvill kicker?) got the ball EASILY, with noone 5 yds near him. Of course the Texans were lined up 12-15 yds back and were backpedalling about 5 yds before the ball was kicked.

 

[pollardsvision]

The percentages on surprise onside kicks are actually pretty good. I don't know that the Jags approach would work that great in an obvious situation.

obviously, it would work far less in an obvious situationthere are 2 ways this could have an impact if teams did it more1-even in an obvious situation, i think it would work better than the typical "big-bounce" onside kick. the big bounce allows for all kinds of unpredictablility and luck. the recieving team can even use blockers themselves to shield someone to catch it after the bounce. this "roll and block" type seems to rely on the ability of the kicking team's blockers (the kick seems simple to execute). less can go wrong and more teams should do it this way. i guess the downside is that if someone on the recieving team breaks the wall, they may have an easy TD b/c the only person left is the kicker.2-i could see more teams doing this in surprise situations, given that it's easy to disguise.especially playing against teams with dominant offenses that can kill the clock, this would be a way to do what all coaches say you must do to stop manning and brady: keep them off the field.

 

[swirvenirvin]

the kick itself may prove revolutionary.

I've seen it done before, and I've heard announcers say "Why don't teams do this more often?" Send 10 guys in front of you to take out 4-5 guys on the opposition's front line. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Agreed they showed a highlight last night of the Saints doing it to the Cowboys from last year. There are only what 5 guys up front there, and they start running backwards as soon as the ball is kicked. I dont think I have ever seen this not work actually?

 

[pollardsvision]

in a copycat league, i could actually see this thing getting exploited so much that the nfl is forced to make a rule to prevent it.

maybe making a rule that everyone on the kicking team must stay behind the ball until it passes 10 yards, thus hampering the blockers.

maybe it's a crazy notion, but what if a team got so dominant in executing this thing that they could play 'make it-take it' all game long? obviously, they'd have to keep scoring to pull that off, but a few extra possessions each game are nfl gold.

 

[swirvenirvin]

in a copycat league, i could actually see this thing getting exploited so much that the nfl is forced to make a rule to prevent it.maybe making a rule that everyone on the kicking team must stay behind the ball until it passes 10 yards, thus hampering the blockers. maybe it's a crazy notion, but what if a team got so dominant in executing this thing that they could play 'make it-take it' all game long? obviously, they'd have to keep scoring to pull that off, but a few extra possessions each game are nfl gold.

Wouldn't it be awesome to see this tried on back to back kickoffs?

 

[mrspree15]

in a copycat league, i could actually see this thing getting exploited so much that the nfl is forced to make a rule to prevent it.maybe making a rule that everyone on the kicking team must stay behind the ball until it passes 10 yards, thus hampering the blockers. maybe it's a crazy notion, but what if a team got so dominant in executing this thing that they could play 'make it-take it' all game long? obviously, they'd have to keep scoring to pull that off, but a few extra possessions each game are nfl gold.

I think that rule would really hurt the conventional onside kick as well.Also, if a team kept running it, I believe their kicker might start taking a beating from an angry opposing special teams.

 

[pollardsvision]

in a copycat league, i could actually see this thing getting exploited so much that the nfl is forced to make a rule to prevent it.maybe making a rule that everyone on the kicking team must stay behind the ball until it passes 10 yards, thus hampering the blockers. maybe it's a crazy notion, but what if a team got so dominant in executing this thing that they could play 'make it-take it' all game long? obviously, they'd have to keep scoring to pull that off, but a few extra possessions each game are nfl gold.

I think that rule would really hurt the conventional onside kick as well.Also, if a team kept running it, I believe their kicker might start taking a beating from an angry opposing special teams.

true. and that could lead to nfl teams carrying 2 kickers, which isn't good for anybody. i'd hate to think of 250lb. linebackers out there that are out of a job b/c teams need to carry 2 kickers in case one gets creamed.