Three Round Mock (1 Viewer)

[munchkin]

It's hard to argue with Hughes for the Pats at 22 but I think a case could be made for Odrick as well. After trading Seymour last year they got nothing out of the Right Defensive End position; the right side was a liability against the run. Banta Cain ended up with 10 sacks but he really is a situational player and Jarvis Green wasn't much help either. Finding a defensive end may be more of a priority though reaching for one and giving up on the opportunity to grab a player with better skills is not a desirable option either. The team has too many needs.

 

[Honda]

Okay, I admit I was being a bit silly with the Blount thing. But it was for two purposes. One, to highlight that I think this year's crop of RBs is weak and two, that I expect San Diego to do the unexpected when it comes to their pick.

Look at their last few drafts:

2009 16 Larry English DE Northern Illinois

2008 27 Antoine Cason CB Arizona

2007 30 Craig Davis WR Louisiana State

2006 19 Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State

2005 12 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland

2005 28 Luis Castillo DE Northwestern

Craig Davis was a reach. Cromartie had only started a few games and hadn't even played the season before. Castillo had substance "issues".

So while I don't really expect them to take Blount, there may be a collective "What?!" again when it comes to the Chargers pick. Maybe they like Cody although he's probably not a three down player. Maybe they reach for Cam Thomas in the first. They could also consider one of the WRs or fall in love with one of the safeties (they still don't have that position figured out). If they rid themselves of Cromartie, they need depth at CB.

Chargers are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

 

[Honda]

It's hard to argue with Hughes for the Pats at 22 but I think a case could be made for Odrick as well. After trading Seymour last year they got nothing out of the Right Defensive End position; the right side was a liability against the run. Banta Cain ended up with 10 sacks but he really is a situational player and Jarvis Green wasn't much help either. Finding a defensive end may be more of a priority though reaching for one and giving up on the opportunity to grab a player with better skills is not a desirable option either. The team has too many needs.

I could see them taking a d-lineman too. Lots of guys that seem like they could fit in their 3-4 like Odrick, Brian Price, and Tyson Alualu.

 

[BoltBacker]

I will be shocked if Blount is a first round pick. He's not that talented and he has character concerns. 3rd-4th round IMO.

1st, guy has huge character concerns. Punching a player at the end of the game is bad enough, but then trying to fight the crowd? 2nd, I am just not impressed with his skills. Poor blocking, not a great receiver, and not shifty enough. These were my thoughts after the Boise State game:Rushing AbilityBlount looked extremely slow this game. He did not display explosiveness, lateral movement, vision, or cutting ability. For a back so big, he also dissapointed as a power back. He was tackled easily, and when he lowered his shoulder he still was not able to move defenders. He took all of his snaps out of the shotgun formation, often lining up 8 yards behind the line. He doesn't look comfortable running between the tackles, and is way to slow to be a factor on the outside.Receiving AbilityBlount was not asked to run complicated routes during this game. He either swung out to the right or left, or stood in the middle of the field. He did not look comfortable running out in space. Did not catch the ball with his hands. His pass catching is marginal.BlockingConsitently did not show any interest in pass blocking. He never attacked the line of scrimmage. For example, on Oregon's 29th offensive possession, Blount took 2 steps forward and then stayed in place, instead of attacking the oncoming defender., This allowed the defender to push Blount back into the pocket. When asked to make key blocks in pass protection, Blount showed no interest. On Oregon's 29th offensive play, a Boise defender came up the middle. Blount barely put a shoulder on him which resulted in a qb hurry, and an incomplete pass. Blount did not look to hit anyone on pass protection or help a lineman out. Poor blocker.

I completely agree with both of you that he'd be a reach in the first round BUT I also think he's the type of guy that could sky rocket up draft boards because of the dreaded combine. He'll likely measure very well, be very strong, be very fast. If he dances well with little orange cones, jumps high and does shuttle runs faster than expected I can absolutely envision the fact he has holes in his football skill set being forgotten. Doesn't that happen every year after the combine for a handfull of players?On a side note, given the fact most of the NFL has gone to full blow RBBC do you think it's possible well rounded backs will be less sought after than guys that fill one role really well? For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

 

[Honda]

For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Who do you hope they target?

 

[ChargersOH]

I completely agree with both of you that he'd be a reach in the first round BUT I also think he's the type of guy that could sky rocket up draft boards because of the dreaded combine. He'll likely measure very well, be very strong, be very fast. If he dances well with little orange cones, jumps high and does shuttle runs faster than expected I can absolutely envision the fact he has holes in his football skill set being forgotten. Doesn't that happen every year after the combine for a handfull of players?On a side note, given the fact most of the NFL has gone to full blow RBBC do you think it's possible well rounded backs will be less sought after than guys that fill one role really well? For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Skyrocket or not, it ain't been that long since Ryan Leaf. The Chargers won't be taking Blount.The Chargers will take a DL, LB, or OL I'd wager.

 

[Grahamburn]

I can't imagine a scenario where the Bucs pass on a WR with both of their picks in the second round if they have their choice of every WR in the draft after Dez Bryant.

Considering Tampa's current situation at the position I'd be pretty if this transpired. Freeman needs some quality targets to grow as a QB, and this offense could become fairly potent in the future with Winslow and a pair of athletes at WR.

 

[BoltBacker]

For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Who do you hope they target?

My hope would be RT, pass rushing 3-4 DE, NT, maybe even CB if there's something going on behind the scenes with Cromartie. I'd really like to see 2 of these positions addressed in the first two rounds.I wouldn't mind seeing them drafting 2 RB's on day 2 if they compliment each other. The best case scenario would probably be pairing a Gerhart/Blount type with a McNight/McLuster type, but I wouldn't take any of them in the second. If they get stuck with a Tate/Hardesty/Bell in the third I wouldn't really mind. There's usually a guy that's projected in the second round that drops, hard to guess who that would be. I expect there to be a LOT of FA movement at RB this year. Pick up a Larry Johnson/Willie Parker type early and wait for someone to get released late(TB? NYG? etc).The Chargers won 13 games last year averaging 3.3y/c last year. Let Tomlinson/Sproles test the FA market. Giving Rivers more time to utilize the receiving weapons in the SD offense is much more important than the backfield imo. I think a combination of day 2 pick(s) and FA's can equal or better 3.3y/c and won't come close to the salary cap $ their backfield cost them last season. With that extra $ look for OT/DE/NT/CB around the league that may get dumped due to the changed minimum salary. There's going to be several teams that dump salary this year imo.

 

[Honda]

I can't imagine a scenario where the Bucs pass on a WR with both of their picks in the second round if they have their choice of every WR in the draft after Dez Bryant.

Considering Tampa's current situation at the position I'd be pretty if this transpired. Freeman needs some quality targets to grow as a QB, and this offense could become fairly potent in the future with Winslow and a pair of athletes at WR.

You don't like Denario Alexander in the third?

 

[Grahamburn]

I can't imagine a scenario where the Bucs pass on a WR with both of their picks in the second round if they have their choice of every WR in the draft after Dez Bryant.

Considering Tampa's current situation at the position I'd be pretty if this transpired. Freeman needs some quality targets to grow as a QB, and this offense could become fairly potent in the future with Winslow and a pair of athletes at WR.

You don't like Denario Alexander in the third?

I definitely like Danario. He's a monster. Danario AlexanderI noticed that you had the Bucs taking Alexander in the third. That's why I mentioned the pair of athletes at WR.

I think Tampa needs two highly rated prospects at the position out of this draft. They're working with Maurice Stovall, Sammie Stroughter, and Michael Clayton right now. :icky:

I just don't see them passing on Benn/LaFell or other highly rated WR prospects with both of their second round picks.

Draft Benn or LaFell in the second AND take Danario in the third and the Bucs could be looking at a pretty potent passing attack in coming years.

And thank you for doing this. The speculation is the best part.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

Note: This is from FBG Andy Dufresne, not me.

Round 1

Pittsburgh - Mike Iupati OG Idaho 6-5 325

Atlanta - Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 6-6 265

Houston - Dan Williams DT Tennessee 6-2 329

Round 2

Pittsburgh - Jason Fox OT Miami 6-6 314

New England - Jahvid Best RB California 5-10 195

Cincinnati - Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona 6-6 265

Philadelphia - Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma 6-0 192

Green Bay - Devin McCourty CB Rutgers 5-11 186

Baltimore - Damian Williams WR Southern California 6-1 195

Arizona - Syd'Quan Thompson CB California 5-09 182

Dallas - Myron Rolle S Florida St 6-2 218

San Diego - Cam Thomas DT North Carolina 6-4 331

New York Jets - Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati 6-0 179

Minnesota - Maurkice Pouncey C Florida 6-5 318

New Orleans - Nate Allen FS South Florida 6-1 205

Indianapolis - Morgan Burnett FS Georgia Tech 6-1 210

Round 3

Pittsburgh - Amari Spievey CB Iowa 6-0 190

Atlanta - Javier Arenas CB Alabama 5-09 195

Cincinnati - Dexter McCluster WR Mississippi 5-08 165

Oakland - George Selvie DE South Florida 6-5 247

Green Bay - Rodger Saffold OT Indiana 6-5 312

Philadelphia - Joe McKnight RB Southern California 6-0 190

Baltimore - Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6-5 284

As much as I like Iupati, I think it would be really difficult for the Steelers War Room to pass on Dan Williams @ 18. Personally, I don't think Williams gets past Parcells @ 12, but that's neither here nor there. I also don't think any team wants to draft a guard that high in the draft. IF an OL prospect is not suited to at least compete at LT with a fall back position @ RT, he shouldn't be going that high.With Pouncey sitting there in RD2, you can get a guy to play OG for 1 yr and then move to OC.

And in RD3, I see PIT reaching for Carrington (assuming no other 3-4 team grabs him earlier).

 

[EBF]

I completely agree with both of you that he'd be a reach in the first round BUT I also think he's the type of guy that could sky rocket up draft boards because of the dreaded combine. He'll likely measure very well, be very strong, be very fast. If he dances well with little orange cones, jumps high and does shuttle runs faster than expected I can absolutely envision the fact he has holes in his football skill set being forgotten. Doesn't that happen every year after the combine for a handfull of players?On a side note, given the fact most of the NFL has gone to full blow RBBC do you think it's possible well rounded backs will be less sought after than guys that fill one role really well? For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Getting picked in the third round would qualify as "skyrocketing" up the boards for Blount. He can't catch. He can't cut. He's a thug. He has no chance of being a top 50 pick. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None. This is not a weak RB class. Spiller, Dwyer, and Mathews are first round RB prospects. Best is a high 2nd round talent. Gerhart, Dixon, Johnson, Tate, and Hardesty have similar potential to Blount without the character red flags. Joe McKnight will most likely be picked ahead of him. Teams might even prefer guys like James Starks and Joique Bell. Blount could very easily fall out of the top 100 picks.It's very hard to get picked in the first round as a RB. You either have to have elite burst/explosiveness or you have to be an extremely well-rounded bell cow with a 215+ pound frame. Unless you are a big play threat or a can't-miss featured back prospect, you don't offer anything special to NFL teams. Even guys like Steven Jackson, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Johnson, Deuce McAllister, DeAngelo Williams, Beanie Wells, and Shaun Alexander fell to the late first simply because there's not that much demand for RBs. Unless a team near the top of the draft has an acute need at the position, it's common to see elite RB prospects slip into the 20s where a team finally picks them simply because the value is too huge. Blount in the first round is a joke.

 

[Bruno2]

I completely agree with both of you that he'd be a reach in the first round BUT I also think he's the type of guy that could sky rocket up draft boards because of the dreaded combine. He'll likely measure very well, be very strong, be very fast. If he dances well with little orange cones, jumps high and does shuttle runs faster than expected I can absolutely envision the fact he has holes in his football skill set being forgotten. Doesn't that happen every year after the combine for a handfull of players?On a side note, given the fact most of the NFL has gone to full blow RBBC do you think it's possible well rounded backs will be less sought after than guys that fill one role really well? For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Getting picked in the third round would qualify as "skyrocketing" up the boards for Blount. He can't catch. He can't cut. He's a thug. He has no chance of being a top 50 pick. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None. This is not a weak RB class. Spiller, Dwyer, and Mathews are first round RB prospects. Best is a high 2nd round talent. Gerhart, Dixon, Johnson, Tate, and Hardesty have similar potential to Blount without the character red flags. Joe McKnight will most likely be picked ahead of him. Teams might even prefer guys like James Starks and Joique Bell. Blount could very easily fall out of the top 100 picks.It's very hard to get picked in the first round as a RB. You either have to have elite burst/explosiveness or you have to be an extremely well-rounded bell cow with a 215+ pound frame. Unless you are a big play threat or a can't-miss featured back prospect, you don't offer anything special to NFL teams. Even guys like Steven Jackson, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Johnson, Deuce McAllister, DeAngelo Williams, Beanie Wells, and Shaun Alexander fell to the late first simply because there's not that much demand for RBs. Unless a team near the top of the draft has an acute need at the position, it's common to see elite RB prospects slip into the 20s where a team finally picks them simply because the value is too huge. Blount in the first round is a joke.

Thanks for letting the wind out of my sails EBF. No really, you're the only one who can come up with a good argument against Blount other than saying he sucks, or pointing to one bad game. Your assessment is accurate IMO, the thing that concerns me the most about Blount is what you said in an earlier post about him not even being the best RB on the Ducks, which I believe to be true. Along with the fact (which you also pointed out) he only had 159 carries in his college career. On the other hand.....If Blount impresses at the combine and couple that with his Senior Bowl performance, its very possible a team will bite, late 1st may be a little much, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes in the 2nd. Now I may be higher on him than you (and most people around here) but I think there is a role for him in the NFL for the right team.

 

[Honda]

I completely agree with both of you that he'd be a reach in the first round BUT I also think he's the type of guy that could sky rocket up draft boards because of the dreaded combine. He'll likely measure very well, be very strong, be very fast. If he dances well with little orange cones, jumps high and does shuttle runs faster than expected I can absolutely envision the fact he has holes in his football skill set being forgotten. Doesn't that happen every year after the combine for a handfull of players?On a side note, given the fact most of the NFL has gone to full blow RBBC do you think it's possible well rounded backs will be less sought after than guys that fill one role really well? For what it's worth I absolutely hope SD does NOT draft a RB in the first round.

Getting picked in the third round would qualify as "skyrocketing" up the boards for Blount. He can't catch. He can't cut. He's a thug. He has no chance of being a top 50 pick. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None. This is not a weak RB class. Spiller, Dwyer, and Mathews are first round RB prospects. Best is a high 2nd round talent. Gerhart, Dixon, Johnson, Tate, and Hardesty have similar potential to Blount without the character red flags. Joe McKnight will most likely be picked ahead of him. Teams might even prefer guys like James Starks and Joique Bell. Blount could very easily fall out of the top 100 picks.It's very hard to get picked in the first round as a RB. You either have to have elite burst/explosiveness or you have to be an extremely well-rounded bell cow with a 215+ pound frame. Unless you are a big play threat or a can't-miss featured back prospect, you don't offer anything special to NFL teams. Even guys like Steven Jackson, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Johnson, Deuce McAllister, DeAngelo Williams, Beanie Wells, and Shaun Alexander fell to the late first simply because there's not that much demand for RBs. Unless a team near the top of the draft has an acute need at the position, it's common to see elite RB prospects slip into the 20s where a team finally picks them simply because the value is too huge. Blount in the first round is a joke.

Dude. Take your Ritalin.It was one pick where I was bored seeing Dwyer go there. If I'd known it was going to give you an aneurysm I'd have played it safer.

 

[Donnybrook]

Getting picked in the third round would qualify as "skyrocketing" up the boards for Blount. He can't catch. He can't cut. He's a thug. He has no chance of being a top 50 pick. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

Do remember a running back by the name of Chris Henry drafted at #50 by the Titans? All Blount has do is blow up at the combine like Henry did.

 

[lynx4ben]

OK, maybe i'm going to end up answering my own question here. But I don't understand why I keep seeing Spiller to San Fran. I've heard the 'luxury pick' reasoning a few times. But seriously why spend a a top 15 pick on a RB when you have gore and just drafted coffee last year?

I'm not going to pretend I know San Fran's needs. But it would seem to me that when you have a defensive minded coach a 'luxury' pick would be spent on the defense. With those picks San Fran can get a top propsect at OL and a top prospect at DE/CB.

Is Spiller that clear cut as the BPA around 17 that the 49s would go that route? To me while Spiller seems like he has elite speed I just don't see him head and shoulders above the other players around that pick to the point that you would select a player in the first round that doesn't fill any sort of need.

Also, I'm NOT trying to criticize this mock at all. I've just seen this pick in a lot of mocks and to me it doesn't make sense at all. So what if you have two first round picks? It doesn't mean one of them is all the sudden a 'luxury'. Especially for a team that still doesn't have all the tools needed to realistically compete with the playoff teams.

Edit: Maybe I'm just a Gore fan sitting on 1.1

 

[EBF]

Getting picked in the third round would qualify as "skyrocketing" up the boards for Blount. He can't catch. He can't cut. He's a thug. He has no chance of being a top 50 pick. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

Do remember a running back by the name of Chris Henry drafted at #50 by the Titans? All Blount has do is blow up at the combine like Henry did.

Do you think the fact that he's a thuggish JC transfer who missed most of the past season because he punched another player in the face won't have a negative effect on his stock? I'm not going to spend any more time explaining the myriad reasons why Blount has no chance of being a top 50 pick. He's a classic 3rd-5th round pick that some team will roll the dice on once the quality talent has been removed from the draft pool.

 

[Honda]

OK, maybe i'm going to end up answering my own question here. But I don't understand why I keep seeing Spiller to San Fran. I've heard the 'luxury pick' reasoning a few times. But seriously why spend a a top 15 pick on a RB when you have gore and just drafted coffee last year?I'm not going to pretend I know San Fran's needs. But it would seem to me that when you have a defensive minded coach a 'luxury' pick would be spent on the defense. With those picks San Fran can get a top propsect at OL and a top prospect at DE/CB.Is Spiller that clear cut as the BPA around 17 that the 49s would go that route? To me while Spiller seems like he has elite speed I just don't see him head and shoulders above the other players around that pick to the point that you would select a player in the first round that doesn't fill any sort of need.Also, I'm NOT trying to criticize this mock at all. I've just seen this pick in a lot of mocks and to me it doesn't make sense at all. So what if you have two first round picks? It doesn't mean one of them is all the sudden a 'luxury'. Especially for a team that still doesn't have all the tools needed to realistically compete with the playoff teams.Edit: Maybe I'm just a Gore fan sitting on 1.1

Because RBBC is the soup du jour in the NFL right now. Coffee disappointed this year. Spiller would add a level of explosiveness to the 49ers offense that it doesn't have anywhere on it's roster right now. I think it makes a ton of sense given the trends in the NFL and team needs. Why did the Cowboys draft Felix Jones when they had Barber?

 

[Saints-Man]

Also just wanted to add props on the 3 round mock. I have a hard enough time trying to pin down the pick of my favorite team much less assess the needs and targets of all 32.

 

[daveR]

Complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns, IMO. They need a mauling RT, a franchise QB, a killer safety, and shutdown CB, not necessarily in that order. Going WR/RB in 1 & 2 would signal disaster inasmuch as it would mean the "czar" is clueless!

 

[daveR]

BTW, they are well stocked at LB, too!

 

[Honda]

Complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns, IMO. They need a mauling RT, a franchise QB, a killer safety, and shutdown CB, not necessarily in that order. Going WR/RB in 1 & 2 would signal disaster inasmuch as it would mean the "czar" is clueless!

Yes. They need those too.But they ranked 29th in points ans 32nd in total AND passing yards. I can't see them taking a RT with even a high 2nd round pick. And what franchise QB would you be talking about? (Although I did have them taking Clausen in one iteration.)

I did have them taking Berry in a different scenario too.

 

[daveR]

Complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns, IMO. They need a mauling RT, a franchise QB, a killer safety, and shutdown CB, not necessarily in that order. Going WR/RB in 1 & 2 would signal disaster inasmuch as it would mean the "czar" is clueless!

Yes. They need those too.But they ranked 29th in points ans 32nd in total AND passing yards. I can't see them taking a RT with even a high 2nd round pick. And what franchise QB would you be talking about? (Although I did have them taking Clausen in one iteration.)

I did have them taking Berry in a different scenario too.

Not that Dez Bryant is chopped liver, but having added several WRs last year, I'd prefer to take a flyer in rnd 4. Haden would be my pick if Berry weren't available. If both were gone, I might go QB or I might trade down. (My preference at QB would be to add a veteran & give Quinn another go.) It also looks like there should be a quality OL around in rnd 2.The team worked through many issues last year and established an identity late. They, like Mangini's previous team, are a "run-first, play-defense" squad. The passing yardage stat reflects a lot of factors, including: a lack of a top-notch QB, poor weather conditions, and an offense oriented toward the ground game. The TE they picked up in the off season, Royal, drops too many catchable balls and Heiden was injured.

They could also use Julius Peppers.

 

[cheese]

Complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns, IMO. They need a mauling RT, a franchise QB, a killer safety, and shutdown CB, not necessarily in that order. Going WR/RB in 1 & 2 would signal disaster inasmuch as it would mean the "czar" is clueless!

I tend to agree with you, but its going to be hard for this draft to fall that way for the Browns. The guy they really need badly is Berry, but I don't think he's getting to them and I don't see any other can't miss secondary players in this draft. In this particular draft, they missed out on a couple of guys who could probably fix your RT problem. The way it fell, would you prefer they go Clausen? I think Bryant was ok here.I don't mean to bash the Browns, but even if the needs you describe are the most important ones for them, you can hardly deny they are still desperate for playmakers on offense.With all that said, I didn't like their 2nd round pick either. I wonder if they'd be interested in a guy like Myron Rolle there. They need some "face of the franchise" type guys to build around and this guys character/clubhouse ratings are well documented. And he just happens to be a very solid player at a position you need.

 

[lynx4ben]

OK, maybe i'm going to end up answering my own question here. But I don't understand why I keep seeing Spiller to San Fran. I've heard the 'luxury pick' reasoning a few times. But seriously why spend a a top 15 pick on a RB when you have gore and just drafted coffee last year?I'm not going to pretend I know San Fran's needs. But it would seem to me that when you have a defensive minded coach a 'luxury' pick would be spent on the defense. With those picks San Fran can get a top propsect at OL and a top prospect at DE/CB.Is Spiller that clear cut as the BPA around 17 that the 49s would go that route? To me while Spiller seems like he has elite speed I just don't see him head and shoulders above the other players around that pick to the point that you would select a player in the first round that doesn't fill any sort of need.Also, I'm NOT trying to criticize this mock at all. I've just seen this pick in a lot of mocks and to me it doesn't make sense at all. So what if you have two first round picks? It doesn't mean one of them is all the sudden a 'luxury'. Especially for a team that still doesn't have all the tools needed to realistically compete with the playoff teams.Edit: Maybe I'm just a Gore fan sitting on 1.1

Because RBBC is the soup du jour in the NFL right now. Coffee disappointed this year. The more I think about it a Gelhart or Blount makes more sense for them.Spiller would add a level of explosiveness to the 49ers offense that it doesn't have anywhere on it's roster right now. I think it makes a ton of sense given the trends in the NFL and team needs. Why did the Cowboys draft Felix Jones when they had Barber?

Yeah I got that. I think Spiller would be a nice addition to the return game. However, Gore took a few very long runs to the house last year. He seems plenty explosive as a lead back. Also, with Coffee; his YPC was terrible in relief of gore. He looked alright on passing downs. I just think they would bring in a vet or draft a rookie in rounds 3-5 before going to Spiller.There are plenty of good backs that can be had after the first round. This would give them someone to push Coffee and let the better man win.I would be extremely surprised if the drafted Spiller. To the point that I'm definitely betting against it in my annual draft party. I think a lot of mockers don't want to see Spiller dropping but are having a hard time plugging him into the top 15/20. Maybe I'm wrong and the Chris Johnson effect has everyone going gaga from speed.The more I think about it a Gelhart or Blount makes more sense for them.

 

[Honda]

I would be extremely surprised if the drafted Spiller. To the point that I'm definitely betting against it in my annual draft party. I think a lot of mockers don't want to see Spiller dropping but are having a hard time plugging him into the top 15/20. Maybe I'm wrong and the Chris Johnson effect has everyone going gaga from speed.

I'm thinking more of a Percy Harvin or a rich man's Reggie Bush effect with Spiller.

 

[CaptainHook]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

 

[Honda]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

And they never draft a WR in the first either...until they did with Jeremy Maclin.

 

[Buffaloes]

lol at the absolutes being thrown around "will never happen" etc...

Nice mock, and although I'm sure McClain will be a beast in the middle, I think Denver would be better served taking a NT like Dan Williams in the 1st. The DL got very little push toward the end of the year and the ILBs were sifting through the trash to get to the RB. There are a few guys who can fit the bill at NT and I think Denver would be making a mistake passing on them this year. I am glad you didn't go the route of WR for Denver though.

 

[CaptainHook]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

:( And they never draft a WR in the first either...until they did with Jeremy Maclin.

they did it with freddie mitchell too???LB is by far the position they least care about. these guys will NEVER spend a first round pick on a linebacker

 

[Honda]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

And they never draft a WR in the first either...until they did with Jeremy Maclin.

they did it with freddie mitchell too???LB is by far the position they least care about. these guys will NEVER spend a first round pick on a linebacker

Neither would New England, for the same reasons...until they took Jerod Mayo.You can just never say never when it comes to teams drafting.

 

[Honda]

BTW - Dwyer has lost 17 lbs since mid-January. That's interesting. Dwyer

 

[lynx4ben]

I would be extremely surprised if the drafted Spiller. To the point that I'm definitely betting against it in my annual draft party. I think a lot of mockers don't want to see Spiller dropping but are having a hard time plugging him into the top 15/20. Maybe I'm wrong and the Chris Johnson effect has everyone going gaga from speed.

I'm thinking more of a Percy Harvin or a rich man's Reggie Bush effect with Spiller.

Interesting take. In that respect I guess I could see it. Spiller was a fantastic receiver at Clemson. And not just screen plays, he ran a lot of deep routes. I guess if you could get both him and gore on the field at the same time then yes I think it does make some sense.

 

[Honda]

Complete "swing and a miss" on the Browns, IMO. They need a mauling RT, a franchise QB, a killer safety, and shutdown CB, not necessarily in that order. Going WR/RB in 1 & 2 would signal disaster inasmuch as it would mean the "czar" is clueless!

Yes. They need those too.But they ranked 29th in points ans 32nd in total AND passing yards. I can't see them taking a RT with even a high 2nd round pick. And what franchise QB would you be talking about? (Although I did have them taking Clausen in one iteration.)

I did have them taking Berry in a different scenario too.

Not that Dez Bryant is chopped liver, but having added several WRs last year, I'd prefer to take a flyer in rnd 4. Haden would be my pick if Berry weren't available. If both were gone, I might go QB or I might trade down. (My preference at QB would be to add a veteran & give Quinn another go.) It also looks like there should be a quality OL around in rnd 2.The team worked through many issues last year and established an identity late. They, like Mangini's previous team, are a "run-first, play-defense" squad. The passing yardage stat reflects a lot of factors, including: a lack of a top-notch QB, poor weather conditions, and an offense oriented toward the ground game. The TE they picked up in the off season, Royal, drops too many catchable balls and Heiden was injured.

They could also use Julius Peppers.

Interesting blurb on Ben Maller's page today:

The new name to watch for the Browns’ pick at No. 7 in the first round of the draft: wide receiver Dez Bryant of Oklahoma State. NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock thinks Bryant should join Florida cornerback Joe Haden in the discussion of the Browns’ first draft choice. “The way I look at it, I think they’ve got to deal with wide receiver and cornerback,” Mayock said on a national conference call on Tuesday. “Sitting there at No. 7, a Dez Bryant and a Joe Haden, I think, are the two logical guys. “If Dez Bryant slides down to No. 7, I think you’ve got to take him. Braylon Edwards is gone. (Bryant’s) a big, physical wideout that instantly makes those quarterbacks better. I would look at that position first because cornerback is so deep I think you can come back later and get a quality corner.” — Cleveland Plain Dealer

 

[daveR]

I can see it happening (BPA). Hope it doesn't.

Like I posted in another thread, I hope the Rams/Bucs trade goes down, then the Rams call the Browns so we can add Berry!

 

[Nagle2998]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

I agree that the Eagles won't draft a LB in round one but I think IF they took someone like Sapp they would use him as a 3rd down pass rusher more then a OLB. Also my biggest problem with this mock is the Eagles taking two CB in the first three rounds when they have Samuel, Brown, Hobbs, Hanson and even Patterson who looked decent at times. Not saying they shouldn't draft a CB to take over for Brown very soon but why two and this early.

 

[Honda]

i wish these mock draft people would stop suggesting the eagles are going to draft a lb in the first round it will simply never happen.

I agree that the Eagles won't draft a LB in round one but I think IF they took someone like Sapp they would use him as a 3rd down pass rusher more then a OLB. Also my biggest problem with this mock is the Eagles taking two CB in the first three rounds when they have Samuel, Brown, Hobbs, Hanson and even Patterson who looked decent at times. Not saying they shouldn't draft a CB to take over for Brown very soon but why two and this early.

Because I didn't even realise I did it. I think I had them drafting an o-lineman (Pouncy I think) in the 2nd before I changed my mind to have them take a CB. Then I didn't redo the third round pici.Still, weren't Samuel and Brown both relatively disappointing this year?

 

[TheFanatic]

As a Ram's homer, I think that you see the Rams go Suh with the first and then take either McCoy in the 2nd or Pike in the third. I don't see those guys getting past the Rams and I think it's a long shot that the Rams take Vick or sign/trade for another QB. The FA QB's are a dismal lot and not many good ones can be had in trades. I think the Rams go with the big DL and then address QB with one of the next two picks. And if mocks like this keep showing McCoy falling into the second, I think those odds go up that they take him...

 

[scrumptrulescent]

A note to pass along to future mockers. And I say this to be helpful, not critical. Don't count on the Packers spending a first rounder on the 6th best OT on the board. If the draft unfolds in the manner above, the more likely pick at #23 would be a guy like Wilson, Odrick, or Mays. The Packers won't reach for need. Especially not on the O-Line. The Packers have needed to improve the O-Line since Ted Thompson arrived and he's never even considered using a first rounder there. The only way you see Green Bay come out of the 1st round with an O-Lineman is if they trade up a few spots to grab one of the top guys who has inexplicably fallen towards them or if one falls all the way to 23 and is too good to pass up ala Aaron Rodgers.The Packers know going in that if they wanted to address OT via the draft they'd be staring at taking the 5th , 6th, or 7th best guy. They still have the option of bringing back Clifton and Tauscher and having Lang and a 2nd tier free agent to back them up as insurance policies.That said, in the mock above I'd have them taking Kyle Wilson.

I picked Brown for Green Bay in the board draft as well. I didn't like the pick much and considered Odrick myself there, but I hesitate to slot Brown 6th yet for the OT's. What if he shows up to the Combine weighing in at over 300 lbs? Then what happens? No one questions his athleticism and because of that he's mentioned as more of a lock at LT than RT. I didn't like making the pick and could easily see a move up or down by Thompson, but I'm not positive. Brown's stock could rise because the biggest knock on him I've read was his weight, or lack thereof.

Update....

Charles Brown, OT, USC Charles Brown's weight was a big concern going into the Combine. Brown was around 290 during the 2009 season, and sub-300-pound tackles just don't go in the first round. Fortunately, Brown weighed in at 303 pounds, while his arms measured 35 1/4 inches. Brown is now a sure first-rounder and a possible candidate at No. 14 for Seattle.

This is exactly what I was talking about. This guy's gone from 285-290 to 303 now. He's added the pounds that caused questions about him. With arms that long, solid output on the field, and his athleticism, he may be a bargain for Green Bay at 23.

 

[Honda]

D'Brickashaw Ferguson had the same concerns about his being undersized, IIRC.

He's panned out pretty well I think.

 

[Honda]

Obviously, EBF is correct that Blount is not going to be a first rounder.

If I were to do it over again, I'd have the Chargers reach for Cam Thomas in the first and then maybe take a RB in the 2nd. Gerhart or Hardesty?

Maybe I should have found room for Ben Tate in the first three rounds? Sounds like he's the one cut type runner the Texans might be looking for.