Throwing Games In Week 14 To Prepare For Week 15 (1 Viewer)

[FarFromHome]

I read that too fast and thought you said two thumbs on his left hand. Thought maybe the aggrieved team is awarded the amputated digit.

That's just silly. Ha ha

 

[JohnnyU]

@JohnnyU

Teams can subtle tank and there is nothing you can do about it,

This is not what I expected you to say. I always see you saying "it's like porn, you know it when you see it", which to me implies that there is a clear line. Which I always find odd. But this statement makes it make more sense.

Sorry you didn't see what I meant initially by the porn, you know it when you see it statement. I can see where subtle tanking might not be considered. Yes, I was referring to obvious stuff like benching Bijan for Shipley sort of thing.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have never played in a dynasty league. Don't teams that have no chance at making the playoffs trade away their good players for draft picks and lottery tickets? Isn't that essentially intentionally losing? How is that different than sitting your best players in hopes of losing to better your chances in future years?

That's the correct strategy in dynasty, you want to be top 3 ($$$) or bottom 3 (high picks), getting stuck in the middle gets you nowhere.

I used to agree with this, but not now. It is always my philosophy to try and win every year and at the same time move toward being younger. It's doable if you are smart trading for other team picks and you are drafting well in the later rounds. So no, I disagree with your statement of having to be in the top 3 or bottom 3.

 

[Lehigh98]

I have never played in a dynasty league. Don't teams that have no chance at making the playoffs trade away their good players for draft picks and lottery tickets? Isn't that essentially intentionally losing? How is that different than sitting your best players in hopes of losing to better your chances in future years?

That's the correct strategy in dynasty, you want to be top 3 ($$$) or bottom 3 (high picks), getting stuck in the middle gets you nowhere.

I used to agree with this, but not now. It is always my philosophy to try and win every year and at the same time move toward being younger. It's doable if you are smart trading for other team picks and you are trading well in the later rounds. So no, I disagree with your statement of having to be in the top 3 or bottom 3.

If at a certain point, you can't make the playoffs, you still try to win and lose on draft position for no reason?

 

[JohnnyU]

I have never played in a dynasty league. Don't teams that have no chance at making the playoffs trade away their good players for draft picks and lottery tickets? Isn't that essentially intentionally losing? How is that different than sitting your best players in hopes of losing to better your chances in future years?

That's the correct strategy in dynasty, you want to be top 3 ($$$) or bottom 3 (high picks), getting stuck in the middle gets you nowhere.

I used to agree with this, but not now. It is always my philosophy to try and win every year and at the same time move toward being younger. It's doable if you are smart trading for other team picks and you are trading well in the later rounds. So no, I disagree with your statement of having to be in the top 3 or bottom 3.

If at a certain point, you can't make the playoffs, you still try to win and lose on draft position for no reason?

My leagues expect everyone to play their best lineup. I mentioned subtle tanking as something I've seen teams do and nothing can be done about that. Like starting a player that isn't obvous tanking, but may feel he will score less than another player, but not benching obvious studs. Like the Bijan porn example I mentioned earlier.

 

[eighsse2]

I have never played in a dynasty league. Don't teams that have no chance at making the playoffs trade away their good players for draft picks and lottery tickets? Isn't that essentially intentionally losing? How is that different than sitting your best players in hopes of losing to better your chances in future years?

That's the correct strategy in dynasty, you want to be top 3 ($$$) or bottom 3 (high picks), getting stuck in the middle gets you nowhere.

I used to agree with this, but not now. It is always my philosophy to try and win every year and at the same time move toward being younger. It's doable if you are smart trading for other team picks and you are trading well in the later rounds. So no, I disagree with your statement of having to be in the top 3 or bottom 3.

If at a certain point, you can't make the playoffs, you still try to win and lose on draft position for no reason?

Game-theory-wise, no way in heck. You'd do anything within whatever rules you're working with to increase your chances at losing. But to a lot of people, it becomes an ethical or moral situation.

ETA: Personally I don't really consider it an ethical or moral thing. I would be fine with tanking. But there are usually rules against it.

 

[Gally]

I have never played in a dynasty league. Don't teams that have no chance at making the playoffs trade away their good players for draft picks and lottery tickets? Isn't that essentially intentionally losing? How is that different than sitting your best players in hopes of losing to better your chances in future years?

That's the correct strategy in dynasty, you want to be top 3 ($$$) or bottom 3 (high picks), getting stuck in the middle gets you nowhere.

I used to agree with this, but not now. It is always my philosophy to try and win every year and at the same time move toward being younger. It's doable if you are smart trading for other team picks and you are trading well in the later rounds. So no, I disagree with your statement of having to be in the top 3 or bottom 3.

This is the way I play as well. I have never gone full rebuild and I am always trying to get younger while trying to win this year.

I also evaluate in 2 yr increments which is typically a smaller window than most dynasty players. The reason I do this is because older players can be had cheap and are usually still very serviceable which help keep you competitive in current years. And those guys are always available.

 

[Gally]

Like starting a player that isn't obvous tanking, but may feel he will score less than another player,

This goes to the intent aspect that can be cancerous to a league. It happens and is frustrating as a commish. You can see lineup patterns and all of a sudden they are starting a guy they never had in the lineup all year. It's not an obvious lineup tank but you know it's not the player they really think will score the most.

As you said, you can't really do anything because it can be argued the owner has a hunch or whatever but you know it's disingenuous.

 

[JohnnyU]

Like starting a player that isn't obvous tanking, but may feel he will score less than another player,

This goes to the intent aspect that can be cancerous to a league. It happens and is frustrating as a commish. You can see lineup patterns and all of a sudden they are starting a guy they never had in the lineup all year. It's not an obvious lineup tank but you know it's not the player they really think will score the most.

As you said, you can't really do anything because it can be argued the owner has a hunch or whatever but you know it's disingenuous.

It's the level of disingenuous that reigns supreme. If it becomes an issue it's just as easy to find another owner. I can find one that looks just like him / her, but doesn't act like him / her.