Thrown Game - drastic impact (1 Viewer)

[GOroute]

12 Team League. Best record after week 16 wins title. Top 3 win money.

Week 15- Team tied for 1st (2nd w/ tiebreaker) plays a team in 10th place who is completely out of it.

*side note* - there is no toilet bowl or playoff for teams not in it. Last year there was a side playoff but that was removed by commissioner this year.

Team in 10th was losing by 30+ points going into SNF. Both teams in that game had horrible week.

Team in 10th decided to bench S. Green & Crabtree for 2 injured players.

*side note* - the lower a team finishes in the standings the better chance they have to get a high draft pick next season. This team is motivated by improving team.

Seems evident owner threw the game.

There have been words on message board between this owner and a few other owners. Well after this happened, this owner got called names, cussed at and abused on a message board. This went on most of this past week.

Now just in the middle of the night last night (sat morn) the commissioner went back and changed the lineup. Sighting throwing games is shady, etc. he put Deangalo & Crabtree in. Deangalo was never in the game. Regardless if DeA or Green was put in that team would have won.

Now, the team that was tied for 1st that had game thrown against is now out of running. Team that was in overall 1st has locked up league.

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

So what is the right course of action here?

Many other details and history between some owners here. The peolle most upset were either in overall 1st or friends w/ guy in overall 1st. Commissikner helped stir pot during the week too.

Interested in what this board thinks here. Thx

 

[CA_7]

Team in 10th decided to bench S. Green & Crabtree for 2 injured players.

What two injured players were put in and when did the change happen? Just trying to understand all the details and facts

 

[GOroute]

Gronk for Crabb

Hunter i think for S.Green

This was done right before SNF game. His chances of winning seemed low but guess he wanted to make sure he would lose.

 

[kutta]

I think the commish did the right thing, though he did it too late.

The sandbagging owner should be kicked out of the league.

 

[Quibbler]

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

Is there really nothing about illegal lineups, or playing competitively? If there's nothing that could be construed as an anti-tanking provision, I don't think the commissioner has any authority to change the guy's lineup.Your league is set up in a way that rewards tanking (higher draft picks for the worst teams). If you don't have a rule in place against it, then I don't see how this owner can be blamed. He's just managing his team in the way that he thinks is best for it within the rules, even if that means playing for a higher draft pick next year rather than winning this year.

Personally, I think that's a bad way to set up a league, and I'd recommend changing the rules next year. But I don't see how you can meddle with the guy's lineup now. Under your current rules, what he did is perfectly legal.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Is there a concern that the better team said "let me win and I'll split the pot with you if I end up in first overall?" Or did the worse team on their own decide they might as well play for a better draft pick?

If a team is out of it and their only incentive is to improve their pick next year, it's not collusion and-- in a vacuum-- it makes sense that they'd tank a game in order to right the ship next season.

Problem is, league decisions don't exist in a vacuum. People get upset, it goes against the concept of always trying to win and friends end up angry at each other. You might win the battle, but you lose the war.

The commish should have acted faster, but they did the right thing. Rule or no rule...there's no rule that says you have to set the league on fire because you didn't cover every single item a rules-lawyer could discover.

You have to have common sense. It's clear that this "legal" decision caused an uproar in the league. Are you on the side of "technically it's not illegal so you have to allow it" or are you on the side of "We're not going to jeopardize the league over someone tanking a game?"

I'd go with the latter. Let the rules-lawyers quit and replace them with normal people.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm with the commish.

And this should be a clue to all out there that:

1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players

2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

 

[kegger]

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

Is there really nothing about illegal lineups, or playing competitively? If there's nothing that could be construed as an anti-tanking provision, I don't think the commissioner has any authority to change the guy's lineup.Your league is set up in a way that rewards tanking (higher draft picks for the worst teams). If you don't have a rule in place against it, then I don't see how this owner can be blamed. He's just managing his team in the way that he thinks is best for it within the rules, even if that means playing for a higher draft pick next year rather than winning this year.

Personally, I think that's a bad way to set up a league, and I'd recommend changing the rules next year. But I don't see how you can meddle with the guy's lineup now. Under your current rules, what he did is perfectly legal.

Completely correct, not only that but putting in a lineup for the guy (AFTER THE FACT)that knocks someone else out of the playoffs playing that guy is not right either, and you

don't know what the guy may have played an lost anyway, but now YOU MAKE HIM WIN. WRONG!

If the commish did this to me, and I was the one that lost I would freakin stalk and kill him, STUPID.

If you have no rule on this I would be up in arms over the commish decision to determine outcome.

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[Mario Kart]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.

The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If the commish did this to me, and I was the one that lost I would freakin stalk and kill him, STUPID.

If you have no rule on this I would be up in arms over the commish decision to determine outcome.

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You sound like a rational guy.

 

[Jersey35]

People, just because a rule doesn't exist addressing a particular activity, does not mean that the commissioner has no choice but to allow that activity. These situations are exactly why you have a commissioner: to rule on' gray area' issues.

 

[Insein]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.

The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

This is the correct answer. The 10th place team did what they thought was best within the rules. For the commissioner to change it well after the fact for something that decides the champion of the league is ridiculous. You don't make rule changes during the year at least not without a vote which it doesn't sound like that was the case.

What happened happened and it should be left at that. Make the rule change in the offseason to clear up "spirit of fair play" language that you want in the rules. I would not play in this league anymore if a commissioner made such an irrational decision that decided the champion.

 

[kegger]

If the commish did this to me, and I was the one that lost I would freakin stalk and kill him, STUPID.

If you have no rule on this I would be up in arms over the commish decision to determine outcome.

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You sound like a rational guy.

Really irrational decisions deserve there irrational consequences. (yes the comment of kill is over exaggeration, just for dramatization)

 

[kegger]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.

The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

This is the correct answer. The 10th place team did what they thought was best within the rules. For the commissioner to change it well after the fact for something that decides the champion of the league is ridiculous. You don't make rule changes during the year at least not without a vote which it doesn't sound like that was the case.

What happened happened and it should be left at that. Make the rule change in the offseason to clear up "spirit of fair play" language that you want in the rules. I would not play in this league anymore if a commissioner made such an irrational decision that decided the champion.

 

[Andrew74]

Commish is wrong IMO.

 

[Mentos]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

 

[Donnybrook]

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

Is there really nothing about illegal lineups, or playing competitively? If there's nothing that could be construed as an anti-tanking provision, I don't think the commissioner has any authority to change the guy's lineup.Your league is set up in a way that rewards tanking (higher draft picks for the worst teams). If you don't have a rule in place against it, then I don't see how this owner can be blamed. He's just managing his team in the way that he thinks is best for it within the rules, even if that means playing for a higher draft pick next year rather than winning this year.

Personally, I think that's a bad way to set up a league, and I'd recommend changing the rules next year. But I don't see how you can meddle with the guy's lineup now. Under your current rules, what he did is perfectly legal.

What would an anti tanking rule look like? I am thinking that the owner should be bumped one place higher in the rookie draft order for every injured player he starts in a playoff round. Would a rule like that work? Would the owner just quit rather than suffer the consequences?

 

[Insein]

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

Is there really nothing about illegal lineups, or playing competitively? If there's nothing that could be construed as an anti-tanking provision, I don't think the commissioner has any authority to change the guy's lineup.Your league is set up in a way that rewards tanking (higher draft picks for the worst teams). If you don't have a rule in place against it, then I don't see how this owner can be blamed. He's just managing his team in the way that he thinks is best for it within the rules, even if that means playing for a higher draft pick next year rather than winning this year.

Personally, I think that's a bad way to set up a league, and I'd recommend changing the rules next year. But I don't see how you can meddle with the guy's lineup now. Under your current rules, what he did is perfectly legal.

What would an anti tanking rule look like? I am thinking that the owner should be bumped one place higher in the rookie draft order for every injured player he starts in a playoff round. Would a rule like that work? Would the owner just quit rather than suffer the consequences?

For re-draft, we have random lottery every year. We also just implemented weekly winners. High score each week gets $10. Not much but should get people to put a lineup out there each week. It's more about incentive than punishment. Punishment usually just leads to people leaving.

 

[jabarony]

There is no rule against throwing game and nothing there to protect against issue like this.

Of course throwing games isnt a classy move.

Is there really nothing about illegal lineups, or playing competitively? If there's nothing that could be construed as an anti-tanking provision, I don't think the commissioner has any authority to change the guy's lineup.Your league is set up in a way that rewards tanking (higher draft picks for the worst teams). If you don't have a rule in place against it, then I don't see how this owner can be blamed. He's just managing his team in the way that he thinks is best for it within the rules, even if that means playing for a higher draft pick next year rather than winning this year.

Personally, I think that's a bad way to set up a league, and I'd recommend changing the rules next year. But I don't see how you can meddle with the guy's lineup now. Under your current rules, what he did is perfectly legal.

What would an anti tanking rule look like? I am thinking that the owner should be bumped one place higher in the rookie draft order for every injured player he starts in a playoff round. Would a rule like that work? Would the owner just quit rather than suffer the consequences?

We have a draft lottery like the NBA for non-playoff teams. Tanking improves your odds of getting better picks, but not that much. Also we have weekly high cash prizes to keep everyone interested. Also, no one is a dbag.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

 

[Insein]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

One league I'm in has the toilet bowl play for draft order. Winner gets #1 pick and so on down.

 

[Mentos]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

Good ideas except if a horrible 2-win team is legitimately trying to do good but then has to pick 9th in the rookie draft because it got destroyed in the consolation bracket.

 

[stugnut]

Inserting a player into a lineup after you already know what he scored is the very definition of cheating, no matter how good the intentions. The commish screwed up twice, once when he cheated and once when he didn't have the foresight to have a rule that covered that type of situation. The commish needs a Code Red.

 

[flc735]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

Good ideas except if a horrible 2-win team is legitimately trying to do good but then has to pick 9th in the rookie draft because it got destroyed in the consolation bracket.

loosers bracket. winner gets 1.1 pick and so onthat still gives the 2 win team a chance to get better than the 1.6 pickor you can do a weighted random selection like the nba does

 

[GregR]

Commish did good. Many things are understood to be unethical and unacceptable whether it is explicitly typed into the rules or not. Throwing games is one of them. Previous topic on this, what was it, 85% of people in the poll said it was shady or worse? That's pretty clearcut you should expect it's not allowed unless the rules say otherwise.

Only thing is he should have restored the lineup to the original players assuming they were active, rather than making it Deangelo. Sounds like same result though.

And thank the 10th place owner for participating and wish him well in finding a new league for next year.

 

[Birdie048]

While I think the commish did the right thing, there is a problem with there being no rules covering this point. Unless there is something about throwing a game or illegal lineups, Commish over stepped his authority. If there is a history of "Commissioner activity without clear governing rules", then I would say it was OK. Placing the Team #10 on notice for next year about being permitted to return would be a minimum. Team #1 can p!ss & moan all they want... they should not be able to benefit/gain/advance from illegal/immoral/inapproapriate lineup shenanagins.

As for a solution....

Our 12 team Keeper league..... 6 make playoffs, divisions winners get 1st round bye (week 14)

Remaining 6 compete in Toilet Bowl week 14....3 sets of H2H to advance. Then highest score of remaining 3 gets 1.01 pick.

Highest "losing" score from week 14 gets 1.04 pick. Even a 2 win team can do no worse then 1.06 draft slot.

It solved MANY of the above issues.... but not as much as having clear rules & by laws in place!

 

[Mentos]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

Good ideas except if a horrible 2-win team is legitimately trying to do good but then has to pick 9th in the rookie draft because it got destroyed in the consolation bracket.

loosers bracket. winner gets 1.1 pick and so onthat still gives the 2 win team a chance to get better than the 1.6 pickor you can do a weighted random selection like the nba does

Problem is I play in a 10-team league at Yahoo with four playoff spots. The consolation bracket only consists of four teams.

 

[ratbast]

On all leagues I play the Commish is given the responsibility of maintaining the integrity of the league.

In the end he did his job.

 

[Insein]

On all leagues I play the Commish is given the responsibility of maintaining the integrity of the league.In the end he did his job.

You maintain the integrity of the league by following the rules as they are written. He did not. I'd ask for my money back if I was the 2nd place guy.

 

[Abraham]

I ruined a dynasty league with a bunch of football guys about 7 years ago by not submitting a lineup the last week. Truthfully, I had lost interest and honestly forgot. But I'm sure there are still a couple people around here that loathe me for it. And it is well deserved.

 

[GOroute]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.

1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.

2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOW

I almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

 

[GregR]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOWI almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

If other team behaves ethically, Team in 1st wins league. So correct result obtained. Pass the kudos along to your commish for doing his duty to the entire league and protecting the integrity of fair play.

 

[Mario Kart]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

The commish owes the guy some money. The second place team (the actual winner) had how much money stolen from him by these actions?

 

[Insein]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

The commish owes the guy some money. The second place team (the actual winner) had how much money stolen from him by these actions?

Wonder what kind of legal actions he can take.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Your commissioner made lineup changes after players locked according to no rule whatsoever. He didn't even revert the team back to its original lineup, he created an original lineup.

That in itself is a threat to league integrity and a horrible precedent. Now your commissioner has claimed the authority to not only make lineup changes for other teams after players lock, but to do so in a way that is completely up to his discretion. Since he gets to pick the players to put in, I don't even need to spell out how this could be abused. He gets to pick the players after he knows what they scored! Absurd.

I agree completely that commissioners can, in drastic cases, do things not specified in the rules to account for unanticipated problems. But that is not a green light to do whatever you want.

1)Your rules as they exist are bad.

2)Your rules have serious omissions.

3)Your commissioner waited way too long to do anything.

4)Your commissioner then did an absolutely prohibited thing.

If you want to prohibit this in the future and you like what the commish did, write a rule like "If a team intentionally tanks a game then the commissioner will revise his lineup according to the following formula." Then specify a clear formula, e.g., he will start the players predicted by ESPN to score the most points that week.

I would simply write a rule stating that if you start an incomplete lineup, the first time you are fined, the second time you are kicked out.

 

[SWC]

what a buncha pantsy nancies in your leage if yuo do not have a rule against it then guess what he was playing within the rules and the crybabies who have to find some way to make there friends win are a bunch of jagabagaronis and if i was the team tied for first that this cost a chance to win i would quit this league and get everyone else i kniow to quit and basically make like hell for the cheating commish and his buddies take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOWI almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

If other team behaves ethically, Team in 1st wins league. So correct result obtained. Pass the kudos along to your commish for doing his duty to the entire league and protecting the integrity of fair play.

greg that is a nice thought but there is no quote ethics of fantasy football there are rules and if you play within them then you are all right trying to divine what you think is the right outcome and force it on the leage is bunk and you know it you make the rules and you play inside them you do not make the rules and then have a commish just do whatever he wants because he thinks that is fair is christmas today brohan and there is only one god nad the commish is not him take that to the bank joe bromagio

 

[renesauz]

Clear tanking like this is illegal in every league I'm a part of...and it SHOULD be illegal in every league.

If there's absolutely nothing in the rules, than the commisioners hands should be tied, but people should be pissed at the scumbag tanking, not the commish for trying (rightly or wrongly) to fix it. The guy who would have tied for first has no real dog in this fight...he absolutely should have lost and deserved to lose.

Fix your rules...bad rules and hothead slimy league mates make for bad situations.

 

[SWC]

Clear tanking like this is illegal in every league I'm a part of...and it SHOULD be illegal in every league.If there's absolutely nothing in the rules, than the commisioners hands should be tied, but people should be pissed at the scumbag tanking, not the commish for trying (rightly or wrongly) to fix it.

this is my point if it is not illegal it is not illegal a lot of people do not like people that drive priuses but they are not illegal and you do not get to just blast them off of the road because you do not like them it is the exact same thing here just because you do not like the outcome if the guy was in the rules then it stands and the commish is a jboy for changing things to just make the sally winer pants larooshes happy bam right there another riddle solved by the old swcer

 

[GregR]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOWI almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

If other team behaves ethically, Team in 1st wins league. So correct result obtained. Pass the kudos along to your commish for doing his duty to the entire league and protecting the integrity of fair play.

greg that is a nice thought but there is no quote ethics of fantasy football there are rules and if you play within them then you are all right trying to divine what you think is the right outcome and force it on the leage is bunk and you know it you make the rules and you play inside them you do not make the rules and then have a commish just do whatever he wants because he thinks that is fair is christmas today brohan and there is only one god nad the commish is not him take that to the bank joe bromagio

really no ethics at all so if there is no specific typed out rule saying otherwise then it is ok for your bro to hack into your account and change your lineup or for one owner to pay another to throw a game or for a commish to look at everyone else's blind bid waiver bids but of course it isn't its stupid to think that there are not understood actions that are unethical and in sports and gaming throwing games is certainly one such unethical act you can definitely take that to the bank and put away in your safety deposit box after it reopens post-Christmas my brohan[babblefish© used for English->SWC translation]

 

[SWC]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOWI almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

If other team behaves ethically, Team in 1st wins league. So correct result obtained. Pass the kudos along to your commish for doing his duty to the entire league and protecting the integrity of fair play.

greg that is a nice thought but there is no quote ethics of fantasy football there are rules and if you play within them then you are all right trying to divine what you think is the right outcome and force it on the leage is bunk and you know it you make the rules and you play inside them you do not make the rules and then have a commish just do whatever he wants because he thinks that is fair is christmas today brohan and there is only one god nad the commish is not him take that to the bank joe bromagio

really no ethics at all so if there is no specific typed out rule saying otherwise then it is ok for your bro to hack into your account and change your lineup or for one owner to pay another to throw a game or for a commish to look at everyone else's blind bid waiver bids but of course it isn't its stupid to think that there are not understood actions that are unethical and in sports and gaming throwing games is certainly one such unethical act you can definitely take that to the bank and put away in your safety deposit box after it reopens post-Christmas my brohan[babblefish© used for English->SWC translation]

hey brohan i know you are the head muchacho around here so i am not trying to get in to trouble but the babble fish thing was uncool i just do not do the typing thing like in years past my bad on that but anyhow on the hacking thing you can not do that because the terms of service for your ff site say you can not so that is a bad example and the paying people to throw a game i guess i see your point in our leagues we have rules that say outside of teh ff login transactions are illegal but again i think that is a bad example because here the guy who rested players only did it to help his own team next year in a draft pick situation agin i agree that is a dumb rule but it is the rule that they have and if he wants to do it then he can i just do not get why you have rules if the commish can say well here is what should have really happened does not make sense to me but hey take it to the bank brohan and have a good christmas with your family and friends and sorry for teh bad typing again

 

[GregR]

Few notes here as I originally posted this.1- I agree completely w/ fact there must be a toilet bowl or some variation to keep motivation. In my opinion this is where the Commish made mistake #1. Yes you can't protect all potential problems but this one is a no brainer.2- An update to standings. Team in 1st lost this week. Team in 2nd won. If commish doesn't change lineup manually then Team in 2nd wins league. However, commish changed lineup so team in 1st wins league. WOWI almost think a lawyer should look at this. Pretty bad all around. A thought for the league is 1 vs 2 in week 17. Any other ideas?

If other team behaves ethically, Team in 1st wins league. So correct result obtained. Pass the kudos along to your commish for doing his duty to the entire league and protecting the integrity of fair play.

greg that is a nice thought but there is no quote ethics of fantasy football there are rules and if you play within them then you are all right trying to divine what you think is the right outcome and force it on the leage is bunk and you know it you make the rules and you play inside them you do not make the rules and then have a commish just do whatever he wants because he thinks that is fair is christmas today brohan and there is only one god nad the commish is not him take that to the bank joe bromagio

really no ethics at all so if there is no specific typed out rule saying otherwise then it is ok for your bro to hack into your account and change your lineup or for one owner to pay another to throw a game or for a commish to look at everyone else's blind bid waiver bids but of course it isn't its stupid to think that there are not understood actions that are unethical and in sports and gaming throwing games is certainly one such unethical act you can definitely take that to the bank and put away in your safety deposit box after it reopens post-Christmas my brohan[babblefish© used for English->SWC translation]

hey brohan i know you are the head muchacho around here so i am not trying to get in to trouble but the babble fish thing was uncool i just do not do the typing thing like in years past my bad on that but anyhow on the hacking thing you can not do that because the terms of service for your ff site say you can not so that is a bad example and the paying people to throw a game i guess i see your point in our leagues we have rules that say outside of teh ff login transactions are illegal but again i think that is a bad example because here the guy who rested players only did it to help his own team next year in a draft pick situation agin i agree that is a dumb rule but it is the rule that they have and if he wants to do it then he can i just do not get why you have rules if the commish can say well here is what should have really happened does not make sense to me but hey take it to the bank brohan and have a good christmas with your family and friends and sorry for teh bad typing again

You're saying the commish didn't follow a dumb rule, as if the rules actually state anything that deals with this situation.They don't. That's the whole reason it was a problem. If they said, "Teams are allowed to throw games for any reason" or "teams are allowed to throw games to improve draft position" then it would be clear what is allowed, and what the commish did would have broken the rules if done with such a rule.But the OP has not said there is such a rule. As you acknowledged in your response, there are things that are understood to be not allowed. Even if your website was lax about putting a "do not hack" provision in their terms of service it doesn't mean you would allow an owner to hack and change another's lineup. The same applies here, just because the fantasy league was lax in spelling out every unethical act doesn't suddenly make it legal.The commish is not "breaking a rule". He is having to deal with a situation the rules give no guidance on. To do a fair job of that, he should consider that things should be allowed that do not otherwise break the understood spirit of games and competition and the fantasy set up. That includes things like not throwing games, no collusion, no roster sharing, no using add-drop on players to block waiver moves. As mentioned, in the last thread on this that had a poll, 85% of people considered tanking to be shady or worse. That's a pretty clear mandate it is extremely widely understood to be unethical. Thus the commish's judgment the situation should be viewed as inherently understood to be unethical is entirely appropriate.So I stand by my comment. Good job by the commish. A league is not required to list every single douchey move an owner can make in order to expect and enforce ethical behavior. It helps by shutting up unethical people who want to rules lawyer if you do so, but it's not required. He made a mistake in not returning it to the exact original lineup that seemed to have been submitted ethically and should correct that, but the OP said the game result was the same.

 

[SWC]

well i get your point but we just disagree so that is that i suppose anyhow take it easy man and have a good one

 

[GregR]

well i get your point but we just disagree so that is that i suppose anyhow take it easy man and have a good one

You too. Have a good holidays. And the Babblefish comment of course was intended in humor.

 

[gsmayes]

yet another thread for the "there's no rule against being a d*ck, so I can be a d*ck" types!

no, wrong, flush, goodbye, #######.

 

[kegger]

Commish screwed up an that's basically all there is to it.

(fix the league next year if you feel is was wrong to do)

 

[DropKick]

The commish is in the wrong especially if he was stirring the pot. The guilty party is the 10th place team but the commish nor the league can/should change anything.The rules given here state this was not illegal therefore the commish nor the league can change that now. If I'm the team that is now out of it... I'd leave the league and tell everyone to go #### themselves.

The commish owes the guy some money. The second place team (the actual winner) had how much money stolen from him by these actions?

None?

 

[Insein]

yet another thread for the "there's no rule against being a d*ck, so I can be a d*ck" types!no, wrong, flush, goodbye, #######.

How is improving your draft position for next season based on the way the rules are lined up being a ####? He's doing what's best for his team. If draft order wasn't predicated on previous year's record, you could say he's being a ####. However, there was nothing in the rules that said you cannot start injured players. He did. Got the better draft order. The commish pulled a blatant abuse of power after 4 days of whining from a few others in the league and now we have chaos. Rules that are not written, are not rules.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

One way to avoid this situation is establish a rules committee (for lack of a better term). We established a 3 man rules commitee for just this type of scenario and it is in effect for the entire season. If the commish thinks that there is a shady deal or shady gamesmanship, the commitee is called. If a person on the commitee is involved in the dela or the shady lineup move his vote is not counted and the commitee votes on the rule (majority vote rules). Commish has deciding vote if the commitee results in a tie.

This commitee is elected at the draft. It has been called on once in 20 years and in that case the team that was "caught" wound up forfeiting the game and was removed from the league after that season. The worst part was that the ruling came during the championship game and the team would have won without cheating but had to forfeit - which led to the only 1-0 game in the history of our league.

 

[flc735]

I'm with the commish.And this should be a clue to all out there that: 1) There should be a "Spirit of fair play" rule in place that says that the commish can change lineups if he feels a team is tanking on purpose by starting injured players 2) Basing next year's draft order based on this year's records is a TERRIBLE idea. That kind of rule basically encourages tanking.

Re: 2 Agreed but what are other options?

1. Randomize the order of the non-playoff teams. 2. Have the draft order of the non-playoff teams be according to record, but from best to worst: non-playoff team with the best record picks 1st, non-playoff team with the 2nd best record picks 2nd, etc.

Good ideas except if a horrible 2-win team is legitimately trying to do good but then has to pick 9th in the rookie draft because it got destroyed in the consolation bracket.

loosers bracket. winner gets 1.1 pick and so onthat still gives the 2 win team a chance to get better than the 1.6 pickor you can do a weighted random selection like the nba does

Problem is I play in a 10-team league at Yahoo with four playoff spots. The consolation bracket only consists of four teams.

than make your own consolation bracket. its very very easy to do by hand.