tiebreaker (1 Viewer)

[wally82]

What does your league use as a division tiebreaker?

I feel like I got a royal screw job. I tied another owner with the same record, but I outscored his team by over 300 points. He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head. To make things worse, if I would made the playoffs I would have won the whole thing.ugh

 

[riggidy]

Overall record

Division record

Total points scored

 

[Sarnoff]

1) buy a shirt

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[gotexansgo]

division record

head to head record

points in the head to head meeting

total points

thats how my league does it.

 

[Wildcat]

This should be a pole. He beat you twice. I think head-to-head should be the tie breaker. I am in three leagues. In two, it is head-to-head. In the other, it is total points but we are going to vote to change that to head-to-head for next year. Seems like everyone thinks head-to-head is the most fair.

 

[DangerMonkey]

Overall Win-Loss-Tie Percentage

Total Number of Wins

Head to Head Record

Head to Head Average Net Point Margin

Conference Win-Loss-Tie Percentage

Conference Wins

Conference Net Point Margin

Total Points Scored

Overall Net Point Margin

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

i personally think TP's, but I can see the opposing view. In a bizarro world there is a post that reads

I feel like I got a royal screw job. I tied another owner with the same record. I beat him team both times we played. He got the playoff bid because he had more points. To make things worse, if I would made the playoffs I would have won the whole thing.ugh

 

[Wildcat]

Really, your tiebreaker rule is pointless. The fact is you have a rule. You cant argue to change the rules at the end of the season just because it didn't work out in your favor. Now if the commish just made up the tie-breaker at the last minute, then you would have something to argue about.

 

[wally82]

Thanks for the feedback. I am just looking to see how many leagues use head to head over total points. We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row this happened. We may just extend our playoffs from 4 teams to 6 teams. We are just looking to make our league better.I

 

[DangerMonkey]

Thanks for the feedback. I am just looking to see how many leagues use head to head over total points. We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row this happened. We may just extend our playoffs from 4 teams to 6 teams. We are just looking to make our league better.I

H2H leagues are about Wins not Points. Just ask the NFLNFL Divisional Tie-Breaking Procedure

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

 

[Organized Chaos]

Yeah, most leagues I play in do the following.

Overall Record

H2H

Total Points

Sucks, but from my experience, it's pretty normal.

 

[notdarkyet]

If you have a rule, it doesnt matter how stupid it is, it doesnt matter what other leagues do. You have a rule, thats the rule until you change the rule going into the season.

Even though it is irrelevant to your problem:

We dont have divisions. Ties go to points, then head to head.

 

[wally82]

Yeah, most leagues I play in do the following. Overall RecordH2HTotal Points Sucks, but from my experience, it's pretty normal.

Thanks for your feedback. It sucks but it is what it is.

 

[Topes]

Yeah, most leagues I play in do the following.

Overall Record

H2H

Total Points

Sucks, but from my experience, it's pretty normal.

I don't even necessarily think it sucks.

The logical extension of complaining about H2H for a tie-breaker is complaining about H2H (record) to establish standings which resulted in tie.

The logical extension of complaining about H2H is points league.

So long as it's your rule, no injustice has been done.

This time of year, all sorts of rules and notions are promulgated, in the name of 'fairness' and 'minimizing luck'. Most of them are ill-conceived and ill-advised.

We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row this happened.

We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row our playoff seeding was decided by the rules we put forward.

Careful what you wish for.

I personally like having H2H as a seeding tie-breaker. Throughout the season, when I play the other top teams in the league, I know that those matchups have a potential impact on playoff seeding tie-breakers. Other teams know this, as well. People keep track of who they beat and who they lost to, and also who else beat the other guy. This generates greater interest within the league during the regular season.

He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head.

When you lost to this other team twice during the season, did the playoff seeding implications not come to mind?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What does your league use as a division tiebreaker?I feel like I got a royal screw job. I tied another owner with the same record, but I outscored his team by over 300 points. He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head. To make things worse, if I would made the playoffs I would have won the whole thing.ugh

Hard to complain here.Your league has rules? -> Stick with the rules.Do not change the rules midstream. Ever.Table it for next year maybe.My primary league does it total points, but I am in a couple other leagues that do it head to head, which honestly I kind of like (though it could hurt me) because it makes the regular season more meaningful.

 

[Jason Wood]

What does your league use as a division tiebreaker?I feel like I got a royal screw job. I tied another owner with the same record, but I outscored his team by over 300 points. He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head. To make things worse, if I would made the playoffs I would have won the whole thing.ugh

Sigmund talked about this last week on The Audible, and I want to echo his well made statements.The time to complain about a league tiebreaker or playoff seeding rule isn't as it happens. It's one thing if the rules weren't spelled out (e.g., your rules have no set tiebreakers beyond H2H) or if there's a contradiction in the documents. But if the rules were clearly stated at the beginning of the season, you have no one to blame but yourself for not bringing this up as a concern before the season. Every year someone in some league is going to get the short end of the stick based on whatever tiebreaker system is in place. And if you really don't like the system (BTW, I much prefer total points as the 2nd tiebreaker to H2H record) the time to bring it up is in the preseason, so that you and your league mates can have a conversation about it without the pressure of owners who have vested interests in a particular outcome.

 

[wally82]

Yeah, most leagues I play in do the following.

Overall Record

H2H

Total Points

Sucks, but from my experience, it's pretty normal.

I don't even necessarily think it sucks.

The logical extension of complaining about H2H for a tie-breaker is complaining about H2H (record) to establish standings which resulted in tie.

The logical extension of complaining about H2H is points league.

So long as it's your rule, no injustice has been done.

This time of year, all sorts of rules and notions are promulgated, in the name of 'fairness' and 'minimizing luck'. Most of them are ill-conceived and ill-advised.

We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row this happened.

We are going to put it to a vote as this is the second yr in a row our playoff seeding was decided by the rules we put forward.

Careful what you wish for.

I personally like having H2H as a seeding tie-breaker. Throughout the season, when I play the other top teams in the league, I know that those matchups have a potential impact on playoff seeding tie-breakers. Other teams know this, as well. People keep track of who they beat and who they lost to, and also who else beat the other guy. This generates greater interest within the league during the regular season.

He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head.

When you lost to this other team twice during the season, did the playoff seeding implications not come to mind?

All good points. Thank you. We have some deeper issues here that affected our playoffs as well that need to be addressed. A couple of owners did not set their lineups this giving other owners wins they should not have gotten. According to our power rankings the two best teams in our league did not make our playoffs. I think if we open it up to six teams (12 team league) this should eliminate most of our issues.

 

[kardplayer]

My league uses NFL tiebreakers. Record, H2H, Division Record, Total Points, Coin Toss.

Only problem with H2H as a way to settle non-division ties is that you could have played the team you are tied with in a week where your best player was on a bye and his wasn't. We don't worry about that though.

 

[Chief]

We use similar Tie-Breakers as well:

#1 - Best Overall Record.

#2 - Best Head-to-Head Record.

#3 - Best Division Record (used within divisions).

#4 - Best Head-to-Head Points (used when there is a 2 way tie).

#5 - Best Breakdown Record (used when there is a 3 or more way tie).

"Breakdown" is a Sportsline function that looks at your record vs a team if you played them every week.

#6 - Most Overall Points Scored.

#7 - Most Points Scored Against.

#8 - Coin Flip

We split our pot 50%-50% for Record - Total Points so it was deemed better to use H2H more prominently in the tie-breakers for that side of things.

 

[theplayer11]

This should be a pole. He beat you twice. I think head-to-head should be the tie breaker. I am in three leagues. In two, it is head-to-head. In the other, it is total points but we are going to vote to change that to head-to-head for next year. Seems like everyone thinks head-to-head is the most fair.

it isn't....it depends when you played that person, who was on a bye, ect. Most points means you had the better overall team..

 

[firstseason1988]

This should be a pole. He beat you twice. I think head-to-head should be the tie breaker. I am in three leagues. In two, it is head-to-head. In the other, it is total points but we are going to vote to change that to head-to-head for next year. Seems like everyone thinks head-to-head is the most fair.

it isn't....it depends when you played that person, who was on a bye, ect. Most points means you had the better overall team..

Yeah, plus, you run into problems when h2h is the tiebreaker and there are multiple teams with different amount of games played against. Total points is easy to see, easy to discern plus, you play h2h all year, reward the more consistent team, by far the most fair and easiest.

 

[belljr]

This should be a pole. He beat you twice. I think head-to-head should be the tie breaker. I am in three leagues. In two, it is head-to-head. In the other, it is total points but we are going to vote to change that to head-to-head for next year. Seems like everyone thinks head-to-head is the most fair.

it isn't....it depends when you played that person, who was on a bye, ect. Most points means you had the better overall team..

Yeah, plus, you run into problems when h2h is the tiebreaker and there are multiple teams with different amount of games played against. Total points is easy to see, easy to discern plus, you play h2h all year, reward the more consistent team, by far the most fair and easiest.

This is why all leagues like the NFL should have tiebreakers defined for divisions and wildcards separately.For Division - we use Record, H2H, Div Record, Points

 

[Saint]

We try and emulate the NFL as much as possible in our league. I like the style and my league enjoys it. To that extent, we adopted all of the NFL tiebreakers.

Tie-Breaking Procedures

 

[Keith R]

In a 2-way tie, head-to-head is our primary tiebreaker as well.

 

[greenroom]

This should be a pole. He beat you twice. I think head-to-head should be the tie breaker. I am in three leagues. In two, it is head-to-head. In the other, it is total points but we are going to vote to change that to head-to-head for next year. Seems like everyone thinks head-to-head is the most fair.

it isn't....it depends when you played that person, who was on a bye, ect. Most points means you had the better overall team..

Yeah, plus, you run into problems when h2h is the tiebreaker and there are multiple teams with different amount of games played against. Total points is easy to see, easy to discern plus, you play h2h all year, reward the more consistent team, by far the most fair and easiest.

well he was not the most consistent team when he faced the guy he lost to.. twice. Look if a team beats you twice then that team should go ahead if you had the same record. If not why play H2H if you want to go by points just play a total points league or use a victory point system (like Antsports uses) if you want to use points, but H2H should matter.

 

[Dbbr]

What does your league use as a division tiebreaker?I feel like I got a royal screw job. I tied another owner with the same record, but I outscored his team by over 300 points. He got the playoff bid because he beat me twice head to head. To make things worse, if I would made the playoffs I would have won the whole thing.ugh

From our rule book in the H2H section (we also play for total points championship):Tie breaker will be:If 2 teams are tied, the tie-breaker is head to head record. If teams played twice and split, the team with the highest starting points will advance.If more than 2 teams are tied, highest starting points total will advance.If teams remain tied after considering points, a coin flip will determine who advances.In regards to your comment about expanding the playoff teams from 4 to 6, I'm in a league that takes the top 2 teams in each of two divisions, and then they'll take the top 2 "points producers" who didn't make the playoffs based on H2H record. The Division winners get byes, seed 3 plays 6, seed 4 plays 5. I think this is very fair. Teams are then seeded with the two Division winners getting 1 and 2 seed, the next 2 getting the 3 and 4 seed, and the points representatives getting seeds 5 and 6. We think it works great this way.And it's all about getting in the playoffs...once you are in, seedings don't make much difference in the end...gotta have the hot players, and a ton of luck! LOL