Tiki's Backup (1 Viewer)

[wannabee]

The two players I see having a chance to be the guy if Tiki goes down are Brandon jacobs and Derrick Ward. But, then I read:

Giants | Jacobs has an irregular heartbeat

Published Sun Aug 6 9:04:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs (heart) had an irregular heartbeat and missed practice Sunday, Aug. 6. He will undergo a stress test Monday, Aug. 7.

Giants | D. Ward breaks metatarsal in his foot

Sunday Published Sun Aug 6 9:03:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) New York Giants FB Derrick Ward (foot) broke the fifth metatarsal in his foot during the afternoon practice Sunday, Aug. 6.

Any thoughts?

 

[CA_7]

not good.... don't like the sound of an irregular heartbeat

 

[CA_7]

From Giants msg baord

With Ward and Jacobs sidelined, punt and kickoff returner Chad Morton played a lot at running back and rookie free agent James Sims had his workload increased.

 

[FFFIEND]

I was going to say Derrick Ward, but YIKES. This is just another reason to Draft Portis with your #4 pick

 

[Couch Potato]

Giants | Jacobs has an irregular heartbeat

Any thoughts?

Yes.He was probably looking at pr0n.

 

[wannabee]

From Giants msg baord

With Ward and Jacobs sidelined, punt and kickoff returner Chad Morton played a lot at running back and rookie free agent James Sims had his workload increased.

Thank you for the update.I thought this was relevant info with drafts going on this week. I do not know how long Ward will be out with the foot injury, but I bet it is painful just to walk. Not to mention, I thought of Hank Gathers when I read the irregular heartbeat.

 

[Don Quixote]

Also concerned about this that was posted on the Giants message board:

- Guard Chris Snee injured his knee early in practice and will undergo an MRI tomorrow.

 

[Getinthemix]

I was going to say Derrick Ward, but YIKES. This is just another reason to Draft Portis with your #4 pick

Exactly what does the backups to Tiki have todo with Tiki himself?Your statement makes no sense.

 

[Cleat Spike]

I was going to say Derrick Ward, but YIKES. This is just another reason to Draft Portis with your #4 pick

Exactly what does the backups to Tiki have todo with Tiki himself?Your statement makes no sense.

I think he's just saying that if both of Tiki's backups may be out and you're on the fence about drafting either Tiki or Portis at 4, take the guy with the viable handcuff/backup with upside that you can probably draft also.Betts or Morton as your handcuff?

 

[Sweet Love]

If Jacobs is out for a while, Jonathan Wells would be a nice fill in for them.

 

[Routilla]

I see this as good news for Tiki. There would be less of a chance of him losing carries.

 

[Don Quixote]

I see this as good news for Tiki. There would be less of a chance of him losing carries.

Was there a risk of Tiki "losing carries" to Jacobs and Ward in the first place?If these injuries require Ward and Jacobs to lose time, I see it as bad because Tiki won't have anyone to give him a breather and he will wear down quicker.

 

[wannabee]

I see this as good news for Tiki. There would be less of a chance of him losing carries.

Was there a risk of Tiki "losing carries" to Jacobs and Ward in the first place?If these injuries require Ward and Jacobs to lose time, I see it as bad because Tiki won't have anyone to give him a breather and he will wear down quicker.

i would think the worry was more on the goal line vulture of Jacobs

 

[duaneok66]

These injuries can only help guys like Lee Suggs . . .

 

[Bri]

Little John Flowers seems to be 4th on the depth chart although once you hit 3rd it's hard to tell.

As I understand it, irregular heartbeat's aren't so uncommon with them you wait for the followup report to see what's causing it before you get too nervous.

Ward can probably come back before camp is out from fifth metatarsal. Did someone step on his foot?

 

[softball]

Little John Flowers seems to be 4th on the depth chart although once you hit 3rd it's hard to tell.As I understand it, irregular heartbeat's aren't so uncommon with them you wait for the followup report to see what's causing it before you get too nervous.Ward can probably come back before camp is out from fifth metatarsal. Did someone step on his foot?

The Backup would be Ward, because he has some moves on him. But that's not really saying a whole lot because jacobs would play as well..Jacobs is still so raw, they are complimenting him on keeping his pads down....It would be ugly if anything ever happened to Tiki...no true backup exists

 

[Bri]

BTW Jacobs scored but got smacked good by Lavar in practice the other day. On the next play he really ran with authority and Carlos Emmons got hurt. Scored on both. Apparently it fired up everyone that day and is yet another example of Jacobs looking real good thus far

 

[Bri]

Little John Flowers seems to be 4th on the depth chart although once you hit 3rd it's hard to tell.As I understand it, irregular heartbeat's aren't so uncommon with them you wait for the followup report to see what's causing it before you get too nervous.Ward can probably come back before camp is out from fifth metatarsal. Did someone step on his foot?

The Backup would be Ward, because he has some moves on him. But that's not really saying a whole lot because jacobs would play as well..Jacobs is still so raw, they are complimenting him on keeping his pads down....It would be ugly if anything ever happened to Tiki...no true backup exists

don't get the quote but it's late ....FWIW Jacobs has been doing very well, much better than last year. He's got a clear edge on Ward now. Camp is not over, Ward can still do well and win the spot but...for now, Jacobs is a good bit ahead.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

As I understand it, irregular heartbeat's aren't so uncommon with them you wait for the followup report to see what's causing it before you get too nervous.

Just because an athlete has an irregular heartbeat, it does not necessarily mean bad things. When I was in college my heart started skipping beats, and when after wearing a heart monitor for a day and going through some tests, the cardiologist said there was nothing to worry about. He said that it was common in about 10% of athletes, so I didn't worry about it. After college when I stopped training so hard, it pretty much went away.

 

[Cookiemonster]

From Giants msg baord

With Ward and Jacobs sidelined, punt and kickoff returner Chad Morton played a lot at running back and rookie free agent James Sims had his workload increased.

Thank you for the update.I thought this was relevant info with drafts going on this week. I do not know how long Ward will be out with the foot injury, but I bet it is painful just to walk. Not to mention, I thought of Hank Gathers when I read the irregular heartbeat.

I broke my 5th about 5 or 6 years ago. I was able to walk well and relatively pain-free in a cast in about a week. Cast off in the typical 6 weeks for a broken bone, but if they need him could probably make it 5. It feels like a sprained ankle, but heals faster. Hell, as a kid I broke the 2nd, 3rd and 4th skateboarding. Two weeks later I was skating on the broken foot in a cast. He may be out for week 1, 2 on the outside.Jacobs thing could be very serious (career threatening) but more than likely is of no consequence. Don't go dropping him if he's on your roster.

 

[cr8f]

They'll give him a stress test to see if the irregular veat is a problem or not. It may not be. It may just be how his heart operates and may be strong regardless. I have the same issue and it isn't a problem.

It could be a problem though.

 

[CA_7]

I broke my 5th about 5 or 6 years ago. I was able to walk well and relatively pain-free in a cast in about a week. Cast off in the typical 6 weeks for a broken bone, but if they need him could probably make it 5. It feels like a sprained ankle, but heals faster.

This seems to jive with what I Google'd

 

[Gandalf]

I'd thought I'd provide more info on a 5th metatarsal break. Basically, if uncomplicated it should be 3-6 weeks before symptoms abate.

The 5th metatarsal is pretty important. A strong tendon (peroneus brevis) is attached to this bone. As the ankle twists, the tendon pulls so hard on the bone that it tends to break. Depending on where the break occurs, it can be complicated or uncomplicated. Uncomplicated avulsion fractures are the most common fractures of the proximal portion (closer to ankle than toes) of the fifth metatarsal and generally heal well with conservative treatment.

Treatment options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks. X-ray evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks. Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'd thought I'd provide more info on a 5th metatarsal break. Basically, if uncomplicated it should be 3-6 weeks before symptoms abate.The 5th metatarsal is pretty important. A strong tendon (peroneus brevis) is attached to this bone. As the ankle twists, the tendon pulls so hard on the bone that it tends to break. Depending on where the break occurs, it can be complicated or uncomplicated. Uncomplicated avulsion fractures are the most common fractures of the proximal portion (closer to ankle than toes) of the fifth metatarsal and generally heal well with conservative treatment.Treatment options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks. X-ray evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks. Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

Gandalf,I'm not disputing your statement - but are you a doctor?If you are (or are in the medical profession) it would add to your comments.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Tiki could see goaline carries if Jacobs heart problems continue. They will give him a stress test and more than likely put him on Beta blockers which most the time will help his condition. He will play this year for sure.

 

[wannabee]

I'd thought I'd provide more info on a 5th metatarsal break. Basically, if uncomplicated it should be 3-6 weeks before symptoms abate.The 5th metatarsal is pretty important. A strong tendon (peroneus brevis) is attached to this bone. As the ankle twists, the tendon pulls so hard on the bone that it tends to break. Depending on where the break occurs, it can be complicated or uncomplicated. Uncomplicated avulsion fractures are the most common fractures of the proximal portion (closer to ankle than toes) of the fifth metatarsal and generally heal well with conservative treatment.Treatment options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks. X-ray evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks. Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

Gandalf,I'm not disputing your statement - but are you a doctor?If you are (or are in the medical profession) it would add to your comments.

I think he is a med sudent

 

[CA_7]

I'd thought I'd provide more info on a 5th metatarsal break. Basically, if uncomplicated it should be 3-6 weeks before symptoms abate.

The 5th metatarsal is pretty important. A strong tendon (peroneus brevis) is attached to this bone. As the ankle twists, the tendon pulls so hard on the bone that it tends to break. Depending on where the break occurs, it can be complicated or uncomplicated. Uncomplicated avulsion fractures are the most common fractures of the proximal portion (closer to ankle than toes) of the fifth metatarsal and generally heal well with conservative treatment.

Treatment options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks. X-ray evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks. Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

Gandalf,I'm not disputing your statement - but are you a doctor?

If you are (or are in the medical profession) it would add to your comments.

I am guessing more a Googler than a Dr... Looks he copied almost directly from aafp.org

Treatment of nondisplaced tuberosity avulsion fractures is conservative. Options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks.7-9 Plain film evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks.1 Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/990501ap/2516.html

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Don't jump to conclusions about Jacobs. It may be nothing. Would be a good sign if he's back to practice by Wed. He's had a very good camp thus far. Has been more confident, vocal and demonstrated a better understanding of the offense. This would be a bigger blow to the Giants than to Tiki's fantasy prospects as they were optimistic Jacob's would be able to take on an expanded role this season.

The Snee injury doesn't sound serious. Probably just a strain. He ran sprints at the end of the practice.

 

[Bri]

I'd thought I'd provide more info on a 5th metatarsal break. Basically, if uncomplicated it should be 3-6 weeks before symptoms abate.The 5th metatarsal is pretty important. A strong tendon (peroneus brevis) is attached to this bone. As the ankle twists, the tendon pulls so hard on the bone that it tends to break. Depending on where the break occurs, it can be complicated or uncomplicated. Uncomplicated avulsion fractures are the most common fractures of the proximal portion (closer to ankle than toes) of the fifth metatarsal and generally heal well with conservative treatment.Treatment options include elastic wrapping, ankle splints and low-profile walking boots or casts. Weight bearing is allowed as tolerated. Treatment should be continued until symptoms abate--usually within three to six weeks. X-ray evidence of union varies widely but is generally evident within eight weeks. Rarely, the fracture may heal by asymptomatic fibrous union.

the time frame for this(and many other injuries) are different for sports people than others. Most articles I read were calling them "active".We don't know if Ward has an uncomplicated one or a complicated one and there seems to be a big difference with one requiring a screw put into the foot. I don't think we know enough to say how long he'll be out. I might be wrong, I'm no doc(just googling above), but I'd swear this is the phrase they use when a player gets his foot stepped on by a 300 pound man.

 

[ImTheScientist]

People who google to try to sound smart need to ---->

 

[ImTheScientist]

Giants RB Ward expected to miss at least a month

Ralph Vacchiano

8/7/2006

RB Derrick Ward, who broke his foot when he fell in the building where the Giants hold their team meetings. He is expected to miss at least a month.

http://blogs.nydailynews.com

 

[CA_7]

RB Brandon Jacobs will be "fine," according to Accorsi, after Jacobs underwent a stress test today for an irregular heartbeat.

RB Derrick Ward is out 4-6 weeks with a broken foot. The team declined to say how it happened, but a person who saw the incident said Ward slipped on the floor of the Physical Education building here on the way to a meeting yesterday between practices. The players attend meetings in full field dress, cleats included, and that's why Ward slipped. The person said Coughlin may change the team rules to allow players to remove their cleats before walking to meetings.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/blog/

 

[ATC1]

You guys are right there are a number of things that can affect the time frame and rehab of this foot injury. There are a number of fractures that can occur. Avulsion fractures usually take more time to heal, but with the 6 week time frame I doubt this is the case. The most common fracture in the 5th metatarsal is a Jones fracture and usually takes six weeks if heals properly. There is no cast needed but crutches will be needed to takes stress off the foot for it to heal. It may be in a cast so there is a better chance for a union, but this type of fracture could be aggrivating becuase sometimes healing can be slow, which then a screw will be needed. This is much like Bruschi's scaphoid wrist injury, but there is better chance of healing. If there is a soild union of the bone he will gradually get back to participating again.

Like stated before 10% of athletes have irregular heart beats or heart murmurs. Do we know his symptoms or at what part of the practice he was feeling the symptoms. Without tests this could mean that he was overheated.

 

[wannabee]

Giants | Jacobs update

Published Mon Aug 7 7:03:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) During his press conference Monday, Aug. 7, New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin said RB Brandon Jacobs (heart) has been medically cleared to resume workouts.

 

[Gandalf]

Actually it turns out I'm a med student who likes to google...

I didn't have time to do a search of our medical library this morning as I was late for work, but found that American Academy of Family Physicians article (of which I'm a member), thought it was pretty good (i.e., it was consistent with what I learned in anatomy), and paraphrased the key points to save time because it's a long article that I figured no one would want to read for the relevant sections. It didn't occur to me to provide the link (whoops!), but I'll do that next time to prevent people from worrying that I'm merely "a googler trying to sound smart", which was actually a pretty funny comment. Anyway, I was trying to be helpful and sorry for the confusion that might have caused anyone. It's listed above in someone else's post but here's the link to the article in case you want to read it:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/990501ap/2516.html

 

[wannabee]

Actually it turns out I'm a med student who likes to google...

I didn't have time to do a search of our medical library this morning as I was late for work, but found that American Academy of Family Physicians article (of which I'm a member), thought it was pretty good (i.e., it was consistent with what I learned in anatomy), and paraphrased the key points to save time because it's a long article that I figured no one would want to read for the relevant sections. It didn't occur to me to provide the link (whoops!), but I'll do that next time to prevent people from worrying that I'm merely "a googler trying to sound smart", which was actually a pretty funny comment. Anyway, I was trying to be helpful and sorry for the confusion that might have caused anyone. It's listed above in someone else's post but here's the link to the article in case you want to read it:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/990501ap/2516.html

thanks for the insight

 

[Bri]

Actually it turns out I'm a med student who likes to google...

I didn't have time to do a search of our medical library this morning as I was late for work, but found that American Academy of Family Physicians article (of which I'm a member), thought it was pretty good (i.e., it was consistent with what I learned in anatomy), and paraphrased the key points to save time because it's a long article that I figured no one would want to read for the relevant sections. It didn't occur to me to provide the link (whoops!), but I'll do that next time to prevent people from worrying that I'm merely "a googler trying to sound smart", which was actually a pretty funny comment. Anyway, I was trying to be helpful and sorry for the confusion that might have caused anyone. It's listed above in someone else's post but here's the link to the article in case you want to read it:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/990501ap/2516.html

thanks for the insight

what he said

 

[wannabee]

Giants | Jacobs moving forward from irregular heartbeat

Published Tue Aug 8 5:45:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs (heart) said the irregular heartbeat that forced him to miss practice Sunday, Aug. 6, was "something that just occurred and it really is no big deal." Jacobs said that he has completed all the tests he needed to take and said there were no problems about his return to practice.