Tim Tebow in the NFL (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

Wow. He completed almost 90% of his passes. Simply incredible performance.

As if he hadn't set enough Florida records yet, he just set the Florida single-game passing yardage record. And remember, this is Florida, which had a decade of guys like Wuerffel, Matthews, and Grossman running Spurrier's Fun 'n Gun.

 

[dparker713]

Wow. He completed almost 90% of his passes. Simply incredible performance.

As if he hadn't set enough Florida records yet, he just set the Florida single-game passing yardage record. And remember, this is Florida, which had a decade of guys like Wuerffel, Matthews, and Grossman running Spurrier's Fun 'n Gun.

Wasnt a single play he made in that game that made me rethink my position that he will not be an NFL QB. In fact, the game firmly cemented my opinion that he doesn't have a hope in hell.

 

[Chase Stuart]

He made JaMarcus Russell's performance in the Sugar Bowl look pedestrian.

 

[Balco]

His game doesn't translate well to the pros at all, but there is no question, in my mind at least, that Tim Tebow is one of the top 5 best players in college football history. Just a great competitor.

 

[Crusaderfan]

All the pundits kept blabbering about last night pre-game and during was his poor delivery and his lack of accuracy. I agree that his delivery has to be changed but I don't know how anyone can doubt that he can throw the ball. Many times last night, he had to read coverages and go to 2nd and 3rd options and he was able to do it. He continually put the ball right where it needed to be and the touch he shows on the swing passes out of the backfield is plenty good enough for the pros.

If Tebow is given a legitimate chance to be a pro QB - I belive he will be one. When I look at the flaws in his delivery - I see a guy that has always excelled so he never needed to be changed. His mechanics are so bad - I think that if anyone had ever tried to change them they wouldn't be so fundamentally poor. They would probably be somewhere in between where they are and where they need to be. It looks to me that people just threw him out there, let him go and enjoyed the winning.

It will be interesting to see where the story goes from here. One thing I know for sure - if Tebow fails it won't be because once he got a big paycheck he stopped working hard. If this kid doesn't succeed - he will die trying. I admire that and have totally enjoyed the last 4 years as a Gator fan.

 

[Balco]

All the pundits kept blabbering about last night pre-game and during was his poor delivery and his lack of accuracy. I agree that his delivery has to be changed but I don't know how anyone can doubt that he can throw the ball. Many times last night, he had to read coverages and go to 2nd and 3rd options and he was able to do it. He continually put the ball right where it needed to be and the touch he shows on the swing passes out of the backfield is plenty good enough for the pros. If Tebow is given a legitimate chance to be a pro QB - I belive he will be one. When I look at the flaws in his delivery - I see a guy that has always excelled so he never needed to be changed. His mechanics are so bad - I think that if anyone had ever tried to change them they wouldn't be so fundamentally poor. They would probably be somewhere in between where they are and where they need to be. It looks to me that people just threw him out there, let him go and enjoyed the winning. It will be interesting to see where the story goes from here. One thing I know for sure - if Tebow fails it won't be because once he got a big paycheck he stopped working hard. If this kid doesn't succeed - he will die trying. I admire that and have totally enjoyed the last 4 years as a Gator fan.

His footwork and delivery are extremely poor. And he plays in an offense with one or two options. Like I said, all time great college player, 5-7 round value in the NFL.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Who are some of the other QB's in the NFL in past and present that have had success with less than ideal mechanics throwing the ball....

Rivers ..... this is the first guy that comes to mind.

Young.... he has shown this year that he has potential to be a decent thrower in the NFL with less than ideal mechanics

What do you guys think?

 

[Matt Waldman]

All the pundits kept blabbering about last night pre-game and during was his poor delivery and his lack of accuracy. I agree that his delivery has to be changed but I don't know how anyone can doubt that he can throw the ball. He can throw the ball. But they doubt he can deliver it from certain places opposing defenses will consistently force him to do so in the NFL. It's like basketball. I can make a layup 9 out of 10 times you ask me. I can make it from the lane 7 out of 10 times. If you make me shoot from the baseline I'm going to make 2 out of 10. Tebow, like any player, has clear strengths and weaknesses. When a defense can make him play from his weaknesses, he's a below average passer. A lot of college teams don't have enough of the athletes to make that happen consistently enough. One of those weaknesses he'll be forced to play from in the NFL is to move and throw to his right. It will also be to throw the intermediate passes from 15-20 yards away over the middle of the field in tight coverage, often with pressure in his face. He rarely has to do this at UF and when he does, his success level drops dramatically.Many times last night, he had to read coverages and go to 2nd and 3rd options and he was able to do it. He continually put the ball right where it needed to be and the touch he shows on the swing passes out of the backfield is plenty good enough for the pros. You're right, but you can't dink and dunk your way to success in the pros unless you can dink and dunk to both sides of the field while on the run and do it accurate. He can't do it nearly as well moving to his right and that will be a problem. A QB also needs to be able throw the intermediate range. Kerry Collins dinked and dunked successfully last year, but he can hit the 15-yard out or dig patter to either side of the field when teams take away the short game. Most quality college defenses have 4-5 pro quality players and 2-3 of them might actually make the pros with 1-2 of them starting in a year or two. It should tell you that pro defenses are a huge jump in quality and difficulty to face, which means in basketball parlance you can't just shoot layups and succeed. You need to have a good percentage from further out against tougher defenses. He can hit some deep passes and he will. But if a defense knows they force you to go to a side where you are less than adequate (far less), then it's like blood in the water around a shark frenzy.

If Tebow is given a legitimate chance to be a pro QB - I belive he will be one. When I look at the flaws in his delivery - I see a guy that has always excelled so he never needed to be changed.He hasn't changed because Urban Meyer had a system very conducive to his talents as an athlete. We're not talking about Brett Favre - who mechanically does things that are unsound but he throws with great accuracy and velocity needed to succeed. We're talking about a player who can't throw a ball 10 yards accurately while on the run to his right on a consistent basis or only can read one side of the field and misses big opportunities inthe passing game as a result His mechanics are so bad - I think that if anyone had ever tried to change them they wouldn't be so fundamentally poor. They would probably be somewhere in between where they are and where they need to be. It looks to me that people just threw him out there, let him go and enjoyed the winning.

It will be interesting to see where the story goes from here. One thing I know for sure - if Tebow fails it won't be because once he got a big paycheck he stopped working hard. That I agree with you. He'll work his tail off. Even as a Dawgs fan, I have to admire what he's done. He's just has a big uphill battle to face to develop into a quality NFL starter as a drop back QB and like Randall Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, and Vince Young, he'll have to be able to learn to do it from the pocket and deliver to both sides of the field longer in a more sophisticated way to succeed.If this kid doesn't succeed - he will die trying. I admire that and have totally enjoyed the last 4 years as a Gator fan.

His footwork and delivery are extremely poor. And he plays in an offense with one or two options. Like I said, all time great college player, 5-7 round value in the NFL.

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[phthalatemagic]

I have this odd feeling that the Jags will take him in the middle of the 1st round to put butts in the seats and be used in a similar role that he was used his freshman year.

The Archie Manning scenario.Back then, no one ever really figured out how to use hime either.

Tebow could be better than Vick, though in a very different way.



Or Bobby Douglass.

This is who I think of when I consider Tebow. It's going to take a patient coach and some version of the wildcat for Tebow to be successful in the NFL. But I'm not sure if he cares. I read that he just wants to play a bit in the NFL to get enough money to start his own charity, then move onto that.

 

[phthalatemagic]

right, but you can't dink and dunk your way to success in the pros unless you can dink and dunk to both sides of the field while on the run and do it accurate.

Tom Brady says hi.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Who are some of the other QB's in the NFL in past and present that have had success with less than ideal mechanics throwing the ball....

Rivers ..... this is the first guy that comes to mind. It's not whether the mechanics look good. It's whether they accomplish the desired end result (high velocity, long distance, accurate passes anywhere on the field). Rivers always had a strong arm and was always accurate from anywhere on the field. He just wasn't much of an athlete - like Bernie Kosar, but he proved in college he could be an NFL player because he played in a pro style offense where he dropped back and scanned the field with his receivers running pro style routes and delivered the ball

Young.... he has shown this year that he has potential to be a decent thrower in the NFL with less than ideal mechanicsHis problem wasn't just mechanics. He played in the spread and rarely had to drop back and read a defense where there were more men in coverage than receivers running routes (the benefits of the spread) and play that game of chess with his eyes and knowledge of his receiver's routes to help them get open and deliver the ball in tighter spaces. Couple that with his initial bouts of immaturity and refusal to work hard enough to address them and you see why he's so much better than he was two years ago. His mechanics aren't that much better, but his mental approach to the game is

What do you guys think?

 

[Matt Waldman]

right, but you can't dink and dunk your way to success in the pros unless you can dink and dunk to both sides of the field while on the run and do it accurate.

Tom Brady says hi.

Randy Moss says hello back.

 

[dparker713]

All the pundits kept blabbering about last night pre-game and during was his poor delivery and his lack of accuracy. I agree that his delivery has to be changed but I don't know how anyone can doubt that he can throw the ball. Many times last night, he had to read coverages and go to 2nd and 3rd options and he was able to do it. He continually put the ball right where it needed to be and the touch he shows on the swing passes out of the backfield is plenty good enough for the pros. If Tebow is given a legitimate chance to be a pro QB - I belive he will be one. When I look at the flaws in his delivery - I see a guy that has always excelled so he never needed to be changed. His mechanics are so bad - I think that if anyone had ever tried to change them they wouldn't be so fundamentally poor. They would probably be somewhere in between where they are and where they need to be. It looks to me that people just threw him out there, let him go and enjoyed the winning. It will be interesting to see where the story goes from here. One thing I know for sure - if Tebow fails it won't be because once he got a big paycheck he stopped working hard. If this kid doesn't succeed - he will die trying. I admire that and have totally enjoyed the last 4 years as a Gator fan.

You can tweak footwork and modify a few things here and there, but you cant completely change the manner someone has thrown the ball since they were 3. Its too much muscle memory to overcome. Even if he's able to do it sometimes, underpressure or when he's tired he'll revert back to his old, poor mechanics. And when there isnt a defender within 5 yards as was often the case last night, its easy to look accurate. However, the windows in the NFL are much smaller. Plus, getting to a second option is hardly a feather in a QBs cap, thats pretty basic actually.

 

[got_nugs]

I voted out of the NFL in a few years. But it's anyones guess. All I know is i'm glad I don't have to EVER see him again against FSU.

Charlie was better.

 

[dparker713]

right, but you can't dink and dunk your way to success in the pros unless you can dink and dunk to both sides of the field while on the run and do it accurate.

Tom Brady says hi.

Brady throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL and he has a significantly stronger arm than he once did.

 

[treat88]

His release is Byron Leftwichesque. As a QB I can see him following a similar career arc.

 

[SSOG]

This is who I think of when I consider Tebow. It's going to take a patient coach and some version of the wildcat for Tebow to be successful in the NFL. But I'm not sure if he cares. I read that he just wants to play a bit in the NFL to get enough money to start his own charity, then move onto that.

Absolutely not true. He's spoken before about wanting the platform that being a hugely successful NFL player would afford him. He wants a charitable empire, too, but he's looking for more than just money- he's looking for any and everything he can use to make a positive impact on the world.More than that, though, Tebow is one of the most hyper-competitive individuals to ever play college football. That's a giant cornerstone of his personality, and that's not going to disappear. Tebow has that overwhelming drive to be the best ever which exists at the same time as his desire to make an impact, but independently of it, too.

 

[Steelfan7]

Who are some of the other QB's in the NFL in past and present that have had success with less than ideal mechanics throwing the ball....Rivers ..... this is the first guy that comes to mind. Young.... he has shown this year that he has potential to be a decent thrower in the NFL with less than ideal mechanicsWhat do you guys think?

Kosar, but that dude is the best I have ever seen in reading defenses. He used to just pick apart the Steelers. He is fun to listen to on Browns preseason games.