Time for the shark moves! (1 Viewer)

[Liquid Tension]

Most of us are aware of the guys that can bring you some depth and possibly even a start if you are in a bind. Guys like A-Train, Maurice Morris, etc...

There are a bunch of other subtle moves that may have some interest as well. If Najeh Davenport can stay healthy, he could become what Bettis was with more of a HR threat.

I would be interested to hear what some of you have as the subtle moves you made/would make that could pay off big.

I will share one of mine and that is picking up Tim Carter for the NYG. With Toomer out for the year, Carter becomes the #2 receiver on a team that puts up some passing yards. Plax being banged up (back) might actually hurt Carter and the offense but Carter has game breaking speed although inconsistent hands. He makes some very nice "plucks" but has dropped a wide open deep pass as well. The guy has a ton of talent and now will be the #2 guy the rest of the year. Great guy to add as depth and possibly 3rd starter.

 

[H.K.]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

He may see some extended playing time, although after last year's flat playoff performance, I don't think they sit the starters for huge amounts of time, but either way, Sorgi will NOT be the week 16 starter. They will keep Peyton's consecutive game streak going so he can have a chance to eventually pass Favre.

 

[Ozymandias]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

He may see some extended playing time, although after last year's flat playoff performance, I don't think they sit the starters for huge amounts of time, but either way, Sorgi will NOT be the week 16 starter. They will keep Peyton's consecutive game streak going so he can have a chance to eventually pass Favre.

Last year, Manning started in game 16, and played about a quarter and a half. Sorgi had the better stats for the game, 237 yards and 1 td. This year they're going against Houston.

 

[pizzatyme]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

And really bad at it!

 

[Liquid Tension]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

He may see some extended playing time, although after last year's flat playoff performance, I don't think they sit the starters for huge amounts of time, but either way, Sorgi will NOT be the week 16 starter. They will keep Peyton's consecutive game streak going so he can have a chance to eventually pass Favre.

Not to hijack my own thread, but As a Manning owner I am concerned that if the team has home field clinched I will need another QB. The issue though is that if Manning isn't playing, I wouldn't expect Harrison, Wayne, etc... to be playing so I would rather have another QB than Sorgi.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Speaking of Colts, Joseph Addai. I think he will be much more valuable come FF playoffs. I'm not sure exactly what he's worth to his owners right now.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Sorgi - Colts starting QB just in time for Week 16 Championship games

He may see some extended playing time, although after last year's flat playoff performance, I don't think they sit the starters for huge amounts of time, but either way, Sorgi will NOT be the week 16 starter. They will keep Peyton's consecutive game streak going so he can have a chance to eventually pass Favre.

Last year, Manning started in game 16, and played about a quarter and a half. Sorgi had the better stats for the game, 237 yards and 1 td. This year they're going against Houston.

My points were that (A) he won't be the starter unless Manning is out with an injury (B) I don't think they will rest the regular starters as much as they did last year, even if there's "nothing to play for" making both Manning and Sorgi players I might not want to rely on when planning for a possible championship game.

 

[Sabertooth]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Speaking of Colts, Joseph Addai. I think he will be much more valuable come FF playoffs. I'm not sure exactly what he's worth to his owners right now.

Addai appears to be grabbing the starting job and will play as much as his body allows him.We should also be looking athe playoff matchups.

 

[Ozymandias]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

 

[larz]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

 

[Sabertooth]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

All the sharks already own him? Good thing I drafted him then huh? Does that make me a shark?

 

[Riffraff]

I like to learn vicariously.

Who are the "guppies" angling for?

That way I can do the opposite.

You can learn alot more from losers than you can from winners.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

David Garrard

 

[KiddLattimer]

Get Lundy as cheaply as possible. Take a look at his schedule.

 

[Liquid Tension]

David Garrard

Yes! Garrard was the next guy I was going to say as he will be starting for the foreseeable future. I am trying not to go list them all yet, but it seems we need to start discussing people.Other QB's that I think could be might be helpful down the stretch:Lienert: has a few games and now a bye under his belt along with getting Fitzgerald back. Pretty good schedule should allow him to be a play at home on occasion.Brooks: Yeah, never a crowd pleaser, but remember here is a guy who was a top 8 QB for about 4 years in a row before last year. He still has Moss, Lamont and now Porter is starting to play. The OL is still bad, but if they make some adjustments his mobility should help him actually be pretty decent. People should be already on Kitna and Huard

 

[Liquid Tension]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

If you are talking about Carter, usually an unknown WR is not something people care to grab at this tiem as there are plenty of #2 WR's who are on the waiver wires. (Parker, Booker, etc...) I think Carter has a lot of talent

 

[gman74]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

uhhh lucky people with a top 3 pick own him

 

[Liquid Tension]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

uhhh lucky people with a top 3 pick own him

Or people who made some trades. I traded the 6th overall pick and the 2nd pick of the 2nd round for the 2nd pick which I tool LT with. He drafted Caddy and Chad Johnson so he is not too happy. At the time people said I gave up too much. BTW, There were some trades in advance for those positions I had

 

[3nOut]

I like to learn vicariously.Who are the "guppies" angling for?That way I can do the opposite.You can learn alot more from losers than you can from winners.

Obviously YOU are a guppy. A true Shark doesn't have to "learn" anything for anyone and sets his own trends. I am neither a guppy nor do i consider myself a shark... barracuda maybe? Whats between the two?

 

[Riffraff]

Obviously YOU are a guppy. A true Shark doesn't have to "learn" anything for anyone and sets his own trends. I am neither a guppy nor do i consider myself a shark... barracuda maybe? Whats between the two?

[ pulls string ]A sheep says... baaaaaaah

 

[Cajun Heat]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

Actually, I think this depends entirely on who you'd have to give up to get said backups. My team, for example: L Johnson and W Parker are my starters, with T Jones, M Jones-Drew, and R Droughns as my backups. The conventional "shark" wisdom might tell me that I should pick up M Bennett and N Davenport for the stretch run, but honestly, I'm not sure I feel comfortable cutting a couple of my backups and gambling that these guys (in the event of injury) would outproduce T Jones or MJD. Plus, I'd be adding a couple of quality players to the free agent pool, which would just strengthen someone else's lineup.

 

[einstein2u]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

Actually, I think this depends entirely on who you'd have to give up to get said backups. My team, for example: L Johnson and W Parker are my starters, with T Jones, M Jones-Drew, and R Droughns as my backups. The conventional "shark" wisdom might tell me that I should pick up M Bennett and N Davenport for the stretch run, but honestly, I'm not sure I feel comfortable cutting a couple of my backups and gambling that these guys (in the event of injury) would outproduce T Jones or MJD. Plus, I'd be adding a couple of quality players to the free agent pool, which would just strengthen someone else's lineup.

i agree...i have FWP, Chester Taylor, and Gore....and i don't have any of their backups.....if i have to depend on davenpoop to win.....than i am trouble anyway.

 

[The Big V]

Frank Gore.

14 team redraft.

I just traded Maroney and Ward for him to go along with LT and A. Green

His tough games are over and if he can start finding the endzone again (and with this schedule, it's likely) he could be a monster. Week 16 against arizona looks pretty sweet

DET SEA STL NO GB SEA ARI

 

[EdwardCat]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

uhhh lucky people with a top 3 pick own him

I dunno...I got him in the 3rd round his rookie year.

 

[intrinsic]

Michael Turner

LT will rest, he will romp

 

[MarcO]

Shaun Alexander ?? - we'll see how smart this move is...

Ced Benson - I'm thinking he gets a heavier load in weeks 13-16 if the Bears are running away with the division...

both should still come fairly cheap ...

 

[Banger]

Michael TurnerLT will rest, he will romp

why will LT rest? They will be in a dogfight with Denver for the division probably until the last game of the season.

 

[bjabrad]

You're right,,,it's time.

Time to trade away depth in order to consolidate talent. Free up spots taken by OK players such as CJ and MJD and Jennings and Larry Fitzgerald on my team for players on teams that are realizing that they're not going to make the playoffs and will either be desperate or apathetic. I'm trying to get guys like LT, Holt, Owens, KJones, Tiki, Roy, Addai and TBell. Another option is picking up A Train off waivers (if still available) and offering up something to the McGahee owner (while he is low in value) to lock in the BUF RB points. When the playoffs come around there will be additional free agents that will perform like studs because they will be replacing studs on teams out of the playoff race or studs on teams that have locked up playoff position and are trying to rest their studs for the playoffs. I know I'm preaching to the choir here for many but somebody may need to hear it again.

 

[bjabrad]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

All the sharks already own him? Good thing I drafted him then huh? Does that make me a shark?

This just in,,,It's not always a shark that wins the #1 draft spot. In my league the next to last place team owns LT.I'd take LT in a New York Minute and don't get too intimidated by KC and SEA. KC is a defensive force against the pass not the run but regardless, at this time of the season, LT is almost unstoppable. Can't wait to see SD/KC to watch LT and LJ go off.

 

[FrostBite]

David Garrard

Brooks: Yeah, never a crowd pleaser, but remember here is a guy who was a top 8 QB for about 4 years in a row before last year. He still has Moss, Lamont and now Porter is starting to play. The OL is still bad, but if they make some adjustments his mobility should help him actually be pretty decent.

Please, please, please don't try and get people to buy into Brooks. That is not a shark move... The Sharks should be trying to sell Brooks right now pointing out all the BS you stated above... Moss, Jordan, Porter... how he was a top 8 QB... etc etc.Sell before he gets tossed back out there and stinks up the joint.

 

[FrostBite]

QB's

Brett Favre and Brad Johnson

They have favorable matchups in the FF playoffs. If your in a dynasty league they can be had for cheaper than the average QB because of their age.

RB's

Tiki Barber. He's retiring so if the dynasty owner isn't having a good season he/she would be willing to trade them before he has zero value.

Green Bay - week 14 San Fran, 15 Detroit, 16 Minnesota.

Minnesota - week 14 Detroit, 15 Jets, 16 Green Bay

 

[bjabrad]

Michael TurnerLT will rest, he will romp

SD is 6-2 with remaining games: without Shawne Merriman = *@ CIN ? *@ DEN L *OAK W *@ BUF WDEN ?KC ?@ SEA LAZ WThis puts them at 9-4 before the ??? games @ CIN, DEN and KC. To be in the playoffs they "think" they have to win 11 games (KC didn't make it with 10 wins last year). So SD has to win 2 of the 3 ??? games and two of these come in the last four games of the season. Do you really see them resting LT with so much on the line and in a division that has some serious playoff race competition from DEN and KC? I don't, I think LT plays.

 

[T-Bone976]

I really have my eye on Garrard, too. After watching Grossman stumble in AZ and against Miami, I think Garrard (with his run threat) could be a great player. Right now, he's a free agent in my league. He played great during last season's playoffs.

 

[FrostBite]

I really have my eye on Garrard, too. After watching Grossman stumble in AZ and against Miami, I think Garrard (with his run threat) could be a great player. Right now, he's a free agent in my league. He played great during last season's playoffs.

what are you waiting for?

 

[eurotrashman]

shark move this week:

starting Garrard over Bulger

 

[DoGdr]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

Actually, I think this depends entirely on who you'd have to give up to get said backups. My team, for example: L Johnson and W Parker are my starters, with T Jones, M Jones-Drew, and R Droughns as my backups. The conventional "shark" wisdom might tell me that I should pick up M Bennett and N Davenport for the stretch run, but honestly, I'm not sure I feel comfortable cutting a couple of my backups and gambling that these guys (in the event of injury) would outproduce T Jones or MJD. Plus, I'd be adding a couple of quality players to the free agent pool, which would just strengthen someone else's lineup.

I agree...i have FWP, Chester Taylor, and Gore....and i don't have any of their backups.....if i have to depend on davenpoop to win.....than i am trouble anyway.

Yes, I have struggle with this and have decided to play this both ways.

I have LT and FWP as my starters in my 12 team redraft league. I have had Gore as my rb3 and up until 2 weeks ago I had TJones as my rb4. I traded TJones for a pick next year and picked up Turner becasue I believe he can produce if LT goes out. I have debated trading Gore and picking up Davenport but I just don't want to rely on him. Morris was a the quality handcuff for Alexander but there was one problem...but that didn't work out. I would have guessed he would have been productive in that system but obviously he was not. Having a handcuff does not guarantee production

Also having only two teams represented in my RB Corps scares me. IF one team tanks then at least I have another fall back option. Of corse Gore is a luxury as a backup but I got him late and no one has offered me anything reasonable for him this year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Trade for Ladainian. Am I the only one who sees this as the shark move?

Yes, you're probably the only one, because Tomlinson is facing defensive powerhouses KC and SEA.

Uh, the sharks already own him So nobody thinks Tim Carter is worthy?

uhhh lucky people with a top 3 pick own him

Or people who made some trades. I traded the 6th overall pick and the 2nd pick of the 2nd round for the 2nd pick which I tool LT with. He drafted Caddy and Chad Johnson so he is not too happy. At the time people said I gave up too much. BTW, There were some trades in advance for those positions I had

NTTAWWT

 

[Liquid Tension]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

Actually, I think this depends entirely on who you'd have to give up to get said backups. My team, for example: L Johnson and W Parker are my starters, with T Jones, M Jones-Drew, and R Droughns as my backups. The conventional "shark" wisdom might tell me that I should pick up M Bennett and N Davenport for the stretch run, but honestly, I'm not sure I feel comfortable cutting a couple of my backups and gambling that these guys (in the event of injury) would outproduce T Jones or MJD. Plus, I'd be adding a couple of quality players to the free agent pool, which would just strengthen someone else's lineup.

Agreed. If I have LJ I don't get Dee Brown or Bennett, but if I have LT2 I get MT. Some backups are not worth having. For example, I think A-Train is a decent backup, however on Buffalo I don;t see him doing too well. I say this knowing that he did play well but Buffalo was dominating the GB line all day and that is not expected too often. Even after M. Morris' game I don;t think he is someone you can count on. If Tiki went down I would be OK with Brandon Jacobs. I actually would be OK with Davenport while some have said no to the Poopmeister. I surely don't want the backup to Ronnie Brown or Caddy

 

[Liquid Tension]

David Garrard

Brooks: Yeah, never a crowd pleaser, but remember here is a guy who was a top 8 QB for about 4 years in a row before last year. He still has Moss, Lamont and now Porter is starting to play. The OL is still bad, but if they make some adjustments his mobility should help him actually be pretty decent.

Please, please, please don't try and get people to buy into Brooks. That is not a shark move... The Sharks should be trying to sell Brooks right now pointing out all the BS you stated above... Moss, Jordan, Porter... how he was a top 8 QB... etc etc.Sell before he gets tossed back out there and stinks up the joint.

No. Brooks is on the waiver wire in most leagues so you can't get any value for him. The point is that he could be a guy who could produce like a Favre or Rivers and he is on the waiver wire. Of course he may not play either, but he has no perceived value and I think he should.

 

[Liquid Tension]

QB'sBrett Favre and Brad JohnsonThey have favorable matchups in the FF playoffs. If your in a dynasty league they can be had for cheaper than the average QB because of their age.RB'sTiki Barber. He's retiring so if the dynasty owner isn't having a good season he/she would be willing to trade them before he has zero value.Green Bay - week 14 San Fran, 15 Detroit, 16 Minnesota.Minnesota - week 14 Detroit, 15 Jets, 16 Green Bay

Much more with you on this one FB. In a dynasty league every team that has Tiki and is going nowhere should be be getting a lot of offers for Tiki.

 

[b1leper]

Mike Bell.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Is picking up the backup to a fairly prominent name on a high profile team really a shark move? Seems fairly obvious. Especially when FBG sends out an email specific to that situation. Maybe I overestimate the general masses though.

Actually, I think this depends entirely on who you'd have to give up to get said backups. My team, for example: L Johnson and W Parker are my starters, with T Jones, M Jones-Drew, and R Droughns as my backups. The conventional "shark" wisdom might tell me that I should pick up M Bennett and N Davenport for the stretch run, but honestly, I'm not sure I feel comfortable cutting a couple of my backups and gambling that these guys (in the event of injury) would outproduce T Jones or MJD. Plus, I'd be adding a couple of quality players to the free agent pool, which would just strengthen someone else's lineup.

Agreed. If I have LJ I don't get Dee Brown or Bennett, but if I have LT2 I get MT. Some backups are not worth having. For example, I think A-Train is a decent backup, however on Buffalo I don;t see him doing too well. I say this knowing that he did play well but Buffalo was dominating the GB line all day and that is not expected too often. Even after M. Morris' game I don;t think he is someone you can count on. If Tiki went down I would be OK with Brandon Jacobs. I actually would be OK with Davenport while some have said no to the Poopmeister. I surely don't want the backup to Ronnie Brown or Caddy

I was with you until the last sentence. Ronnie I agree with but Pittman could be a great start if Caddy went down, depending on the matchup (especially in PPR leagues).

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

QB'sBrett Favre and Brad JohnsonThey have favorable matchups in the FF playoffs. If your in a dynasty league they can be had for cheaper than the average QB because of their age.RB'sTiki Barber. He's retiring so if the dynasty owner isn't having a good season he/she would be willing to trade them before he has zero value.Green Bay - week 14 San Fran, 15 Detroit, 16 Minnesota.Minnesota - week 14 Detroit, 15 Jets, 16 Green Bay

Much more with you on this one FB. In a dynasty league every team that has Tiki and is going nowhere should be be getting a lot of offers for Tiki.

also, as I pointed out in BLSH a few weeks ago, acquiring tiki is a double win - you add his production, and you deprive a rival of his production.I would probably overpay for tiki in dynasty leagues because of this, especially if i had a weak RB2 or flex. Go the extra mile that your opponent won't to acquire tiki. He could get 7-10 catches a game with no real WR2 there for the stretch run.

 

[bonesman]

QB'sBrett Favre and Brad JohnsonThey have favorable matchups in the FF playoffs. If your in a dynasty league they can be had for cheaper than the average QB because of their age.

yep... i was going to mention Favre in this thread... another thing in his favor is him being so close to the TD record. Although, last week they threw the ball on 1st and Goal at the one yard line down by only a TD and Favre was picked and it const them the game. But it's not like they'll be playing for a playoff spot... so hopefully they give Favre every possible opportunity to catch up to Marino.

 

[-OZ-]

QB'sBrett Favre and Brad JohnsonThey have favorable matchups in the FF playoffs. If your in a dynasty league they can be had for cheaper than the average QB because of their age.RB'sTiki Barber. He's retiring so if the dynasty owner isn't having a good season he/she would be willing to trade them before he has zero value.Green Bay - week 14 San Fran, 15 Detroit, 16 Minnesota.Minnesota - week 14 Detroit, 15 Jets, 16 Green Bay

Much more with you on this one FB. In a dynasty league every team that has Tiki and is going nowhere should be be getting a lot of offers for Tiki.

also, as I pointed out in BLSH a few weeks ago, acquiring tiki is a double win - you add his production, and you deprive a rival of his production.I would probably overpay for tiki in dynasty leagues because of this, especially if i had a weak RB2 or flex. Go the extra mile that your opponent won't to acquire tiki. He could get 7-10 catches a game with no real WR2 there for the stretch run.

Acquiring Tiki is a great play right now. He only cost me a couple 07 picks (highest being around pick #30), after the owner advertised his availability to the league. Many will hesitate to acquire a top 5 RB for one year at the cost of picks, but he's well worth it.I'm not so sure about Favre though, while he'll go after the TD record, what happens when he gets it? Seems to me the Pack need to see Rodgers play some.

 

[booda]

I'm looking to move Brees & stallworth for Brady & Boldin.

I think Boldin will benefit from Fits coming back..

What do the sharks think about it?

 

[RoosterScott]

David Martin

Franks is now regulated to blocking and there putting plays in specifically for David. Remember he was a former WR. Good prospect to grab in a dynasty league as well.