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Time to put Eli Manning in the elite category? (1 Viewer)
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ponchsox
Footballguy
You do realize he was missing his #1 WR? Both QBs were bad in the first half but Eli lead the team to a comeback with a minute left.
biggamer3
Footballguy
Lol didn't think haters would use this game against him when he had not one but two late game td drives
duaneok66
Footballguy
thanks for replying to my post.
KentGraham10
Footballguy
Yes. He's been the best QB in his division since they won the Super Bowl, now I can't think of anyone besides Rodgers and maybe Brees who is better than Eli in the NFC.
you do know Brady also led his team to a comeback with under 2 minutes left. just luck that Eli happened to have ball last
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
I'm not sure Brady & Brees are in the same class
ponchsox
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
And Bradshaw who catches helps in the passing game. Of course, he still makes some bonehad throws.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Against the dolphins, man. Not in foxboro against Brady.
Koya
Footballguy
Ive said this in so many Eli threads: Eli being Eli.
He can look elite. He seems to be elite more often than not when the game is on the line, in the two minute drill.
But, he will streak both ways. With the right team (solid to great D, a good line and good position players), if he times a streak correctly, it can end up in a Championship. He's proven to have that ability.
That said, he can and will kill you at times also, and go into mini slumps to go along with these strings of games where he looks great.
Overall, the guy is a winner. A lot more plusses than minuses, and while his "boneheadedness" as someone put it will frustrate, you, its also that gunslinger mentality that lets the big comeback ability happen.
In fact, I think Eli needs to be seen more as the gunslinger - the aww shucks look seems to get in the way of that, unfairly so. You look at a gunslinger like Favre, and Farve seemed to kill his team more than Eli does.
He can look elite. He seems to be elite more often than not when the game is on the line, in the two minute drill.
But, he will streak both ways. With the right team (solid to great D, a good line and good position players), if he times a streak correctly, it can end up in a Championship. He's proven to have that ability.
That said, he can and will kill you at times also, and go into mini slumps to go along with these strings of games where he looks great.
Overall, the guy is a winner. A lot more plusses than minuses, and while his "boneheadedness" as someone put it will frustrate, you, its also that gunslinger mentality that lets the big comeback ability happen.
In fact, I think Eli needs to be seen more as the gunslinger - the aww shucks look seems to get in the way of that, unfairly so. You look at a gunslinger like Favre, and Farve seemed to kill his team more than Eli does.
KentGraham10
Footballguy
yEAH gUYS tEBOW cOMPARES fAVORABELY tO eLI sINCE bOTH hAD bIG cOMEBACK wiNS! tEBOW fOR afc mvp eLI fOR nfc mvp!
don't understand the point here? Brady led his team down the field and Eli answered. both QBs did their jobs at the end of the game so neither gets an edge thereAnd it was luck when David Tyree caught that ball in the SB, right?
The Comedian
Footballguy
Too inconsistent to be considered elite.
Good summary.Eli is a good, solid NFL QB. A sometime pro-bowler who can win the big game....but not among the leagues elite, more like in the next tier
duaneok66
Footballguy
this type of analysis is not allowed in this thread.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Inconsistent? He's third in the NFL in QB rating
The Comedian
Footballguy
He had thirty turnovers in 2010. Thirty.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Seriously? QB rating has absolutely nothing to do with QB rating.Inconsistent? He's third in the NFL in QB rating
Eli is never going in the elite category. It's ridiculous to see how many times he makes boneheaded throws. I'm not talking about just throwing it into tight coverage; I'm talking about throws off his back foot when he may or may not catch a glimpse of where he is chucking the ball to. And aside from that, he doesn't have top level accuracy.
He is a very good QB who has significantly improved since he won the SB. But he's just not in the same league as Brady/Rodgers/Brees.
He is a very good QB who has significantly improved since he won the SB. But he's just not in the same league as Brady/Rodgers/Brees.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Living in the past much? He has 15 TDs and 6 INTs this year. Why do people like to discount this guy so much?
ponchsox
Footballguy
Have you seen some of the throws Brady has made this year? I have. I watch every minute of every Patriot game. Brady has literally thrown the ball right to a defender on several occasions.
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omally
Footballguy
I saw just as many boneheaded throws by Brady in the game today. Eli also played today without his #1 WR and his #1 RB, and Bradshaw catches many passes from Eli.
Avery
Footballguy
Wha is wrong with some of you people?
The irrational hate for Eli seems to block some people from objectively looking at his play.
He made two go ahead drives in the forth quarter in Foxbroro where the Pats have won 20 straight regular season games.
He didn't have his starting RB.
He didn't have his number 1 WR.
He didn't have his starting center.
There are better QBs in the NFL, but Eli Manning is an ELITE NFL QB.
The irrational hate for Eli seems to block some people from objectively looking at his play.
He made two go ahead drives in the forth quarter in Foxbroro where the Pats have won 20 straight regular season games.
He didn't have his starting RB.
He didn't have his number 1 WR.
He didn't have his starting center.
There are better QBs in the NFL, but Eli Manning is an ELITE NFL QB.
ponchsox
Footballguy
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Who cares?
If he's the worst QB in the league and they win the game does it really matter?
If he's the worst QB in the league and they win the game does it really matter?
duaneok66
Footballguy
this is the same QB that led his team to a HOME loss vs the lowly Seahawks. That's the difference - Brady would never lose that game.
The Comedian
Footballguy
did you read the post I was quoting?
captain_amazing
Footballguy
I think the overall game for Eli was rather average, and poor at times (throwing off of his back foot and lobbing it up for grabs - like his INT in the endzone). I give him props for his last drive, under pressure, under the spotlight, in Foxboro. I think it is tough to put Eli in the "Elite" class right now - I think he is certainly making a case for himself, though. If he keeps up his excellent overall play for the remainder of this season and playoffs I would certainly be willing to put him in that class.
dharmapunk
Footballguy
Agreed. Eli is a good quarterback who has the remarkable ability to play amazing under pressure. This can not be underestimated though. It's the one intangible that can make even an average QB a legend. There have been a number of amazing passers who lacked this ability and I bet they'd trade all their precision for it in a heartbeat. Ask Warren Moon, for example. Amazing passer. A definite winner. But he lacked this grace under intense pressure that Eli possesses. I'm not trying to argue that Eli is a great QB. He isn't. He's a good QB who can transform into an amazing one when the time counts most.Another example: Jeff George. That guy was the anti-Eli. A great passer. Strong armed and accurate. Capable of gaudy stats. But a total loser. When the game was on the line, when it counted most, that guy turned into Ryan Leaf. Eli, on the other hand, turns into Joe Montana.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
He's achieved the level of "Very Good Quarterback" imo. Not in the same conversation with Rodgers, Brady & Brees yet, but lumped in with the next group.
biggamer3
Footballguy
So Brees isn't elite because he lost to rams?
Hybrid
Footballguy
Brees had 31. What say you?
Aaron RodgersTom BradyDrew BreesBen RoethlisbergerCam NewtonMike VickMatthew Staffordthen a tier of Romo/Rivers/Eli
duaneok66
Footballguy
notice I said Brady, not Brees. P. Manning and Rodgers wouldnt have lost that game. AT HOME.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
E Manning hasnt shown me enough consistency to be elite. he can be elite at times but he doesn't sustain it game after game.
Maybe you need to define elite. If by elite you mean top ten...then sure, Eli's elite.When I define elite, I'm defining it as those few QBs who can carry a bad team or who can throw smothered WRs open (you see some of those throws by Rodgers today...THAT'S ELITE!)ELi is good...maybe even very good, but elite is a term that shouldn't apply. I think, in this case....the irrational people are the ones pimping Eli so strongly.
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ponchsox
Footballguy
Really? What has Newton, Vick, or Stafford done in the NFL? How many playoff wins between these guys?
Pipes
Footballguy
Not a hater at all (absolutely hate that term)1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Brees4. Roethlisberger5. Vick6. ManningNewton and Rivers can be argued for in the 4-6 group too. Newton could very well be higher but I'd like to see him for more than 1/2 the season. I do think there is a dropoff after Rodgers then another dropoff after Brady/Brees. Not including Peyton as who knows if he'll ever come back.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Fixed. None of those guys have accomplished anything of yet.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I think he was giving you a list of QB's he'd want before Eli, not a ranking of playoff wins.
dparker713
Footballguy
Im not an Eli hater, Im a Giants fan.Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, Roethlisburger, Vick.Those are all pretty definite. He's a top 10 QB in tbe league, but thats hardly elite in a league with 32 teams.
