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[Donkey Derp]

Terrible call against Mozgov on that ''travel''

####in' eh mother ####erETA: drunk and very pissed - cheap whore ### piece of #### call

Ended up being a huge call. Cleveland had a great chance to steal one at GS. That call was crap. Now Irving is hurt and they lose instead of stealing a win and he's fine.

He picked up his pivot foot. That is a travel.

Have you watched an NBA game in the last 25 years? It just gets worse every year - 3 and a half steps are nothing these days.

Yes. It was a travel.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Didn't realize how deep GS is w Andre and Barnes etc.

Bench is better for sure, but the Love injury is somewhat responsible for that.

Also Varejao being hurt. His injury hurt their depth a ton.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Yeah that Moz travel was definitely a travel. Don't hang your hat on that, guys. You can't do the two foot hop and them take amother big step in another direction.

If Irving is out they may be fuxored.

 

[pizzatyme]

Iggy the POG. Nice D on LeBron. Warriors in 5.

 

[dickey moe]

SAS stroking out on ESPN right now.

 

[theglorydays]

If each team followed the distribution of minutes used to generate our Real Plus-Minus series projection (see table above), James would need to put up numbers in the 99th percentile of all single-series star performances for Clevelands win probability to overcome the quality of Currys teammates and break even against Golden State

 

[Ninersfan]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This is why the Cavs are in trouble. Lebron HAS to take that ball to the basket, not settle for a jumper. Make the shot, get fouled, either way steal game 1. Irving doesn't get hurt having to play extra time and you get home court advantage. 44 points and a loss means nothing.

 

[sporthenry]

Yeah that Moz travel was definitely a travel. Don't hang your hat on that, guys. You can't do the two foot hop and them take amother big step in another direction.

If Irving is out they may be fuxored.

Except he didn't take another big step. His pivot foot slid and came up for a split second. Technically a travel but then so would Half of all NBA plays. It was a bad call.

 

[Daywalker]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This is why the Cavs are in trouble. Lebron HAS to take that ball to the basket, not settle for a jumper. Make the shot, get fouled, either way steal game 1. Irving doesn't get hurt having to play extra time and you get home court advantage. 44 points and a loss means nothing.

When you have an average outside shot hard to get to the rim in crunch time in the playoffs.

 

[sports_fan]

Steve Kerr has great hair.

As good as Fred Hoiberg?

 

[Daywalker]

Yeah that Moz travel was definitely a travel. Don't hang your hat on that, guys. You can't do the two foot hop and them take amother big step in another direction.

If Irving is out they may be fuxored.

Except he didn't take another big step. His pivot foot slid and came up for a split second. Technically a travel but then so would Half of all NBA plays. It was a bad call.

Mozgov's momentum stopped nothing like the "hop" players routinely get away with.

 

[Synthesizer]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This is why the Cavs are in trouble. Lebron HAS to take that ball to the basket, not settle for a jumper. Make the shot, get fouled, either way steal game 1. Irving doesn't get hurt having to play extra time and you get home court advantage. 44 points and a loss means nothing.

There is absolutely no chance the refs call a foul on a drive in that situation. None.

 

[BobBobby]

Still can't believe LBJ didn't take it to the hole in regulation.

 

[Jack White]

Terrible call against Mozgov on that ''travel''

####in' eh mother ####er

ETA: drunk and very pissed - cheap whore ### piece of #### call

Ended up being a huge call. Cleveland had a great chance to steal one at GS. That call was crap. Now Irving is hurt and they lose instead of stealing a win and he's fine.

Just a friendly reminder that one call by a ref in a 48-minute game does not decide the outcome.

 

[Daywalker]

Still can't believe LBJ didn't take it to the hole in regulation.

He missed the prior fadeaway two into 3-pt range. He was due.

 

[matuski]

Still can't believe LBJ didn't take it to the hole in regulation.

He thinks he can shoot... the only weakness left in his game.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Jump stop = no more pivot step. Travel.

 

[Daywalker]

Sage got it all working tonight.

 

[Jack White]

This Blatt fellow is a bit dim and there is something peculiar about his eyes. Like a mild case of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Hair not impressive, either.

Not all synapses firing with this one.

 

[sports_fan]

This Blatt fellow is a bit dim and there is something peculiar about his eyes. Like a mild case of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Hair not impressive, either.

I actually thought he hair looked pretty nice today. You could tell everyone had fresh haircuts. Except Delly.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This Blatt fellow is a bit dim and there is something peculiar about his eyes. Like a mild case of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Hair not impressive, either.

You are stupid and you should leave this thread immediately, not to return.

 

[Slapdash]

This is going to be a classic series

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Wilbon said that Irving was visibly emotional/crying in the locker room, and he said this injury "felt different."

 

[Good Posting Judge]

James said he "got the shot he wanted to get" at the end of reg. C'mon.

 

[got_nugs]

Heat win!

 

[sports_fan]

Wilbon said that Irving was visibly emotional/crying in the locker room, and he said this injury "felt different."

http://streamable.com/fa6m

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[Good Posting Judge]

Next game is Sunday. :dead:

 

[Good Posting Judge]

James had been averaging 9 FGA in the restricted area in the playoffs, had 4 tonight.

Iguodala held James to 9 points on 4 of 14 shooting when he defended him (halfcourt), with 3 TO. Everyone else gave up 27 on 12-22 shooting with 1 TO.

Irving also held Curry to 1-5 for 4 points as his primary defender, everyone else gave up 19 points on 8-14 FG.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

BTW, that was the previously discussed small lineup that GS used to close out CLE. Barnes came in for Ezeli at 3:16 when it was 100-98, and the Warriors outscored CLE 8-0 until James got the uncontested-ish layup at the end.

It's going to be hard for them to get around not using Dellavedova against that lineup if Irving's out, and they have to sit either Mozgov or Thompson.

 

[Ghost Rider]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This is why the Cavs are in trouble. Lebron HAS to take that ball to the basket, not settle for a jumper. Make the shot, get fouled, either way steal game 1. Irving doesn't get hurt having to play extra time and you get home court advantage. 44 points and a loss means nothing.

There is absolutely no chance the refs call a foul on a drive in that situation. None.

Tell the 2006 Mavericks that.

 

[trader jake]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This.The Cavs absolutely needed to pull out that win to take this series. James is unreal but his team just doesn't have enough, just like the Heat last year against the Spurs.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

BTW, that was the previously discussed small lineup that GS used to close out CLE. Barnes came in for Ezeli at 3:16 when it was 100-98, and the Warriors outscored CLE 8-0 until James got the uncontested-ish layup at the end.

It's going to be hard for them to get around not using Dellavedova against that lineup if Irving's out, and they have to sit either Mozgov or Thompson.

Were they using it in regulation or do they only use their close out lineup in OT?

 

[Lupe]

Jump stop = no more pivot step. Travel.

I'm guessing you never played organized ball if you think you can't pivot after a jump stop. Should learn that in first grade.

 

[ArbyMelt]

This could have been an epic series with Kyrie at near 100%. Oh well.

 

[Synthesizer]

As awesome as LBJ is, I hate watching those possessions where he just dribbles it down to less than 5 on the shot clock and then launches a contested jumper with a hand in his face. On that last possession of regulation, why not take it to the hoop and either make the shot, make them foul you, or make them block it.

I think tonight was the series. Irving looked hurt bad, and even with him, I don't think they were beating the Warriors. Without him, they do not have a prayer.

This is why the Cavs are in trouble. Lebron HAS to take that ball to the basket, not settle for a jumper. Make the shot, get fouled, either way steal game 1. Irving doesn't get hurt having to play extra time and you get home court advantage. 44 points and a loss means nothing.

There is absolutely no chance the refs call a foul on a drive in that situation. None.

Tell the 2006 Mavericks that.

Do you mean that completely unrelated play where the home team got the call in the final seconds?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Still can't believe LBJ didn't take it to the hole in regulation.

He thinks he can shoot... the only weakness left in his game.

I'm guessing you haven't watched him play in about 6 years based on this statement.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The hyperbole is...funny. Both ways.

Game two should be another classic and probably serve as the swing game in the series.

The other guys on the Cavs played badly, I'll be shocked if that continues.

I think they missed a lot of clean looks from three, and at some point you have to think JR Smith will go bananas and maybe help them steal one. But if by "other guys" you mean "everyone but LeBron," I don't think that's necessarily true. Irving was excellent on both ends- about average in terms of scoring but better in every other aspect of the game than I've ever seen him. Mozgov had a great game. Thompson had 15 boards- although at this point that's kind of par for the course for him.

I thought the Cavs were the better team last night. They lost the game at the line (13-19 vs 20-22 for the Warriors) and because they missed a few more clean looks from three than usual. That said, I think they're in deep trouble now, even if Kyrie is OK. The iso stuff is not going to keep working as well as it did now that Golden State has had a chance to get a feel for the matchups. Curry and Thompson are probably not going to go a combined 5-15 from three again. Draymond Green will probably not be overamped to the point that it makes him ineffective again. There's a lot more room for improvement on that side of things IMO.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm actually genuinely excited about watching this Finals. I love the matchup, I love the franchises involved, and it was a great first game. The Warriors crowd is great and whoever runs the show there realizes that minimizing the typical NBA music pumping between every possession is a good thing, that's a great fan base.

 

[NutterButter]

Jump stop = no more pivot step. Travel.

I'm guessing you never played organized ball if you think you can't pivot after a jump stop. Should learn that in first grade.

I think you're wrong.

When receiving a pass with a jump-stop, you can pivot after the jump-stop and either foot can become the pivot foot. This is especially helpful for post players. A perimeter player can catch the ball with a jump-stop, and the pivot into triple-threat position if necessary and use the non-pivot foot for executing jab-step fakes or a drive step.

Now let's take a player who already has possession of the ball on the outside. He/she makes a dribble move into the lane, picks up the dribble, takes one step, and then lands a two-footed jump-stop. So far, so good. But after landing the jump-stop, he/she cannot move either foot and has no pivot foot since the one step was already used up prior to the jump-stop. He/she could jump upward, but must either shoot or pass the ball before either foot touches the floor again.

Link. Mozgov made his jump stop off the dribble hence no pivot foot allowed.

 

[hxperson]

My feelings after last night:

- Golden State has a slightly better starting lineup than Cleveland (with Irving)

- Golden State has a far and away better bench than Cleveland

- Golden State has a major advantage in the coaching department.

- Cleveland has nobody that can create their own basket other than Lebron and Irving. They also have nobody that can finish the easy baskets inside.

- I felt the Lebron ISO-mode that a lot of people seem to be criticizing was a direct the result of the inability of his teammates (other than Kyrie) to finish his set ups in the first quarter. I think he did the math and figured the probabilities were better if he just took the step back every time.

- Given all of these things, an injured Irving, and a day off for Golden State to go to the film room and make the appropriate adjustments, I feel like we won't get another close game in this series.

 

[MAC_32]

The hyperbole is...funny. Both ways.

Game two should be another classic and probably serve as the swing game in the series.

The other guys on the Cavs played badly, I'll be shocked if that continues.

I think they missed a lot of clean looks from three, and at some point you have to think JR Smith will go bananas and maybe help them steal one. But if by "other guys" you mean "everyone but LeBron," I don't think that's necessarily true. Irving was excellent on both ends- about average in terms of scoring but better in every other aspect of the game than I've ever seen him. Mozgov had a great game. Thompson had 15 boards- although at this point that's kind of par for the course for him.

I thought the Cavs were the better team last night. They lost the game at the line (13-19 vs 20-22 for the Warriors) and because they missed a few more clean looks from three than usual. That said, I think they're in deep trouble now, even if Kyrie is OK. The iso stuff is not going to keep working as well as it did now that Golden State has had a chance to get a feel for the matchups. Curry and Thompson are probably not going to go a combined 5-15 from three again. Draymond Green will probably not be overamped to the point that it makes him ineffective again. There's a lot more room for improvement on that side of things IMO.

By other guys I meant everyone but LeBron and Kyrie. LeBron will probably win one game by himself, but some combination of the supporting cast needs to step up to win the other three. Last night it was a lot of LeBron playing hero ball, which usually doesn't work. Was he doing it because he was just trying to feel out the Warriors as he claims to do in game one of each series? Maybe, but it's been the Cavs 4th quarter offense throughout the playoffs, so there's reason to believe there's more of that to come.

Although it's certainly possible he did it just because the other guys played badly. I didn't think Tristan played well last night - he pulled down a pile of key rebounds, but he didn't score and he seemed like he made a lot of mistakes that aren't reflected in the box. Mozgov was alright, but it will be difficult to win if the quartet of Shump-Jones-Delly-JR go 5-20 and only net 15 points and Tristan is in rebound-only mode. That mode works when the others are scoring, but he needs to adjust if they're off.

Despite all of that they had the ball with a chance to win at the end of regulation, on the Warriors home court. This is why the 'it is over' stuff from both sides is laughable.

 

[ArbyMelt]

How long did Curry stand there after making that 15 footer with a minute left in regulation? In the old days, he would have to pay for that by running through a few screens and a few hard fouls in the next game.

 

[matuski]

The hyperbole is...funny. Both ways.

Game two should be another classic and probably serve as the swing game in the series.

The other guys on the Cavs played badly, I'll be shocked if that continues.

I think they missed a lot of clean looks from three, and at some point you have to think JR Smith will go bananas and maybe help them steal one. But if by "other guys" you mean "everyone but LeBron," I don't think that's necessarily true. Irving was excellent on both ends- about average in terms of scoring but better in every other aspect of the game than I've ever seen him. Mozgov had a great game. Thompson had 15 boards- although at this point that's kind of par for the course for him.

I thought the Cavs were the better team last night. They lost the game at the line (13-19 vs 20-22 for the Warriors) and because they missed a few more clean looks from three than usual. That said, I think they're in deep trouble now, even if Kyrie is OK. The iso stuff is not going to keep working as well as it did now that Golden State has had a chance to get a feel for the matchups. Curry and Thompson are probably not going to go a combined 5-15 from three again. Draymond Green will probably not be overamped to the point that it makes him ineffective again. There's a lot more room for improvement on that side of things IMO.

By other guys I meant everyone but LeBron and Kyrie. LeBron will probably win one game by himself, but some combination of the supporting cast needs to step up to win the other three. Last night it was a lot of LeBron playing hero ball, which usually doesn't work. Was he doing it because he was just trying to feel out the Warriors as he claims to do in game one of each series? Maybe, but it's been the Cavs 4th quarter offense throughout the playoffs, so there's reason to believe there's more of that to come.

Although it's certainly possible he did it just because the other guys played badly. I didn't think Tristan played well last night - he pulled down a pile of key rebounds, but he didn't score and he seemed like he made a lot of mistakes that aren't reflected in the box. Mozgov was alright, but it will be difficult to win if the quartet of Shump-Jones-Delly-JR go 5-20 and only net 15 points and Tristan is in rebound-only mode. That mode works when the others are scoring, but he needs to adjust if they're off.

Despite all of that they had the ball with a chance to win at the end of regulation, on the Warriors home court. This is why the 'it is over' stuff from both sides is laughable.

Do you think this stat line is further out of whack than Curry/Thompson/Green's?

I'd bet on the Cav quartet doing this again, I'd bet on the Warrior trio not repeating it (improving).

 

[matuski]

I thought the moment looked too big for Bogut. Guy looked nervous on rebounds.

 

[hxperson]

The hyperbole is...funny. Both ways.

Game two should be another classic and probably serve as the swing game in the series.

The other guys on the Cavs played badly, I'll be shocked if that continues.

I think they missed a lot of clean looks from three, and at some point you have to think JR Smith will go bananas and maybe help them steal one. But if by "other guys" you mean "everyone but LeBron," I don't think that's necessarily true. Irving was excellent on both ends- about average in terms of scoring but better in every other aspect of the game than I've ever seen him. Mozgov had a great game. Thompson had 15 boards- although at this point that's kind of par for the course for him.

I thought the Cavs were the better team last night. They lost the game at the line (13-19 vs 20-22 for the Warriors) and because they missed a few more clean looks from three than usual. That said, I think they're in deep trouble now, even if Kyrie is OK. The iso stuff is not going to keep working as well as it did now that Golden State has had a chance to get a feel for the matchups. Curry and Thompson are probably not going to go a combined 5-15 from three again. Draymond Green will probably not be overamped to the point that it makes him ineffective again. There's a lot more room for improvement on that side of things IMO.

By other guys I meant everyone but LeBron and Kyrie. LeBron will probably win one game by himself, but some combination of the supporting cast needs to step up to win the other three. Last night it was a lot of LeBron playing hero ball, which usually doesn't work. Was he doing it because he was just trying to feel out the Warriors as he claims to do in game one of each series? Maybe, but it's been the Cavs 4th quarter offense throughout the playoffs, so there's reason to believe there's more of that to come.

Although it's certainly possible he did it just because the other guys played badly. I didn't think Tristan played well last night - he pulled down a pile of key rebounds, but he didn't score and he seemed like he made a lot of mistakes that aren't reflected in the box. Mozgov was alright, but it will be difficult to win if the quartet of Shump-Jones-Delly-JR go 5-20 and only net 15 points and Tristan is in rebound-only mode. That mode works when the others are scoring, but he needs to adjust if they're off.

Despite all of that they had the ball with a chance to win at the end of regulation, on the Warriors home court. This is why the 'it is over' stuff from both sides is laughable.

I can certainly appreciate this perspective...but the flip side is that for many it looked like Golden State did not play a good game by their standards (came out very shaky) and still won. Also, Golden State's bench clearly outplayed Cleveland's starters ex Lebron. And now Irving is hurt.

I know fans gotta keep hope, but for many of us impartial observers it doesn't look good for Cleveland despite the fact that it was a close the game on the road for the Cavs.

 

[stbugs]

How long did Curry stand there after making that 15 footer with a minute left in regulation? In the old days, he would have to pay for that by running through a few screens and a few hard fouls in the next game.

I'll be honest, haven't watched GS much, but he looked really douchy out there. I noticed that stuff as well.

 

[msudaisy26]

I thought the moment looked too big for Bogut. Guy looked nervous on rebounds.

On offense he looked nervous, but he always does. On defense I thought he looked fine.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Jump stop = no more pivot step. Travel.

I'm guessing you never played organized ball if you think you can't pivot after a jump stop. Should learn that in first grade.

I think you're wrong.

When receiving a pass with a jump-stop, you can pivot after the jump-stop and either foot can become the pivot foot. This is especially helpful for post players. A perimeter player can catch the ball with a jump-stop, and the pivot into triple-threat position if necessary and use the non-pivot foot for executing jab-step fakes or a drive step.

Now let's take a player who already has possession of the ball on the outside. He/she makes a dribble move into the lane, picks up the dribble, takes one step, and then lands a two-footed jump-stop. So far, so good. But after landing the jump-stop, he/she cannot move either foot and has no pivot foot since the one step was already used up prior to the jump-stop. He/she could jump upward, but must either shoot or pass the ball before either foot touches the floor again.

Link. Mozgov made his jump stop off the dribble hence no pivot foot allowed.

Bolded is key. You can pivot after a jump stop on the dribble if you don't pick up your dribble before stepping into the jump stop. This is the correct way to teach a jump stop off the dribble.

I don't recall what Mozgov did, but the NBA gives free steps out like candy, so they are never going to make that call (I contend the travel call was on the pivot being picked up, not the pivot itself).

 

[AAABatteries]

How long did Curry stand there after making that 15 footer with a minute left in regulation? In the old days, he would have to pay for that by running through a few screens and a few hard fouls in the next game.

I'll be honest, haven't watched GS much, but he looked really douchy out there. I noticed that stuff as well.

Have you two not watched sports for the last several years? It's like that in every sport. It's annoying but it's the norm now. And don't get me wrong - Curry is a nice guy and great player, it's just a different mindset nowadays. What used to be thought of as showing someone up is now just a look-at-me opportunity. Can't say I wouldn't do the same if I had any discernible athletic skills.

 

[stbugs]

How long did Curry stand there after making that 15 footer with a minute left in regulation? In the old days, he would have to pay for that by running through a few screens and a few hard fouls in the next game.

I'll be honest, haven't watched GS much, but he looked really douchy out there. I noticed that stuff as well.

Have you two not watched sports for the last several years? It's like that in every sport. It's annoying but it's the norm now. And don't get me wrong - Curry is a nice guy and great player, it's just a different mindset nowadays. What used to be thought of as showing someone up is now just a look-at-me opportunity. Can't say I wouldn't do the same if I had any discernible athletic skills.

Yes, I have and I know. The WR celebrating a 1st down when he is down by 3 TDs. I've seen it all, but I wasn't expecting it from him. Maybe I had an assumption in my head that he wasn't like that because I hadn't really watched him play much. That said, he really seemed to play it up last night and I posted because I thought the exact same thing on that play mentioned above.