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[Bruce Dickinson]

Finals MVP Votes:

Andre Iguodala:

Sam Amick, USA Today

Ken Berger, CBSSports.com

Hubie Brown, ESPN Radio

Jason Lloyd, Akron Beacon Journal

Rusty Simmons, San Francisco Chronicle

Marc Spears, Yahoo Sports

Marc Stein, ESPN

LeBron James:

Steve Aschburner, NBA.com

Howard Beck, Bleacher Report

Zach Lowe, Grantland

Jeff Van Gundy, ABC

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Don't make me dig up the post in the old thread where GPJ criticized the hire!!!

GPJ is really Stephen A. Smith? I have to admit he had me fooled.

Well done, bravo.

Wait, who makes that big of a deal out of their middle name anyways? Should have been a red flag.

You son of a #####!

Jackson was #######ed terrible. As much as I wasn't crazy about Kerr (mostly b/c I and most people didn't really know how he'd be as a coach, but credit to the front office for sussing him out), I thought Mike Francesa would be a better coach than Jackson. He was awful tactically (tons of isos, no ball movement, no staggering of minutes) and a dogmatist, he didn't work well within the organization and ended up feuding with everyone (Bogut, asst coaches, ownership). The front office deserves a lot of credit for doing the right thing and getting rid of Jackson, even though GS was a playoff team with him. In spite of him.

A lot of things had to go right: Rightly laying off the Love trade, getting Kerr to choose GS instead of NYK, staying extremely healthy all year, and, let's be honest, getting two very good but two beat-up teams in the last two rounds. I think GS would've taken HOU at full strength, but CLE would've been pretty interesting, and a completely different series. Hard not to imagine that it's a question of when and not if for the Cavs, esp. given how weak the East is.

 

[Capella]

@lukezim: David Blatt is like a head coach in a Lifetime movie about a pro basketball player

NBA Twitter is the real MVP.

 

[Abraham]

 

[Abraham]

How is it that Cleveland owes Brendan Haywood 10 million next year? Assuming lebron, love, JR and Mike miller pick up their player options, the cavs are already at 82millon with only 8 or 9 guys.

 

[Max Power]

Well at least Cleveland got to see a championship celebration in town.

F- you

 

[mr fancypants]

Don't make me dig up the post in the old thread where GPJ criticized the hire!!!

GPJ is really Stephen A. Smith? I have to admit he had me fooled.

Well done, bravo.

Wait, who makes that big of a deal out of their middle name anyways? Should have been a red flag.

You son of a #####!

Jackson was #######ed terrible. As much as I wasn't crazy about Kerr (mostly b/c I and most people didn't really know how he'd be as a coach, but credit to the front office for sussing him out), I thought Mike Francesa would be a better coach than Jackson. He was awful tactically (tons of isos, no ball movement, no staggering of minutes) and a dogmatist, he didn't work well within the organization and ended up feuding with everyone (Bogut, asst coaches, ownership). The front office deserves a lot of credit for doing the right thing and getting rid of Jackson, even though GS was a playoff team with him. In spite of him.

A lot of things had to go right: Rightly laying off the Love trade, getting Kerr to choose GS instead of NYK, staying extremely healthy all year, and, let's be honest, getting two very good but two beat-up teams in the last two rounds. I think GS would've taken HOU at full strength, but CLE would've been pretty interesting, and a completely different series. Hard not to imagine that it's a question of when and not if for the Cavs, esp. given how weak the East is.

You think it's interesting that Gentry has picked Darren Erman (the coach Jackson fired for spying) as his associate head coach in NO?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

How is it that Cleveland owes Brendan Haywood 10 million next year?

That completely non guaranteed sum is the only reason they traded for him and held on to him all year. So they could trade him thus summer to a team looking to dump salary.

 

[JMon348]

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thanks to the regulars in this thread for another great season. You all make the sport more fun to follow.

Congrats to the Warriors fans. ####### that team was fun to watch.

Condolences to the Cleveland fans, but they're far from done. They're set up great for a monster season next year, Love or no Love. They look like the 2010-11 Heat right now, talent at the top but no depth and far too much dead weight on the roster. They'll shed it in favor of guys who can give them a little more, find their Shane Battier, pick up a random Ray Allen or Birdman along the way, and be back again with a stronger squad next year. Plus they've still got another season of wiggle room before the Durant-Wall-Beal trio takes over the East

 

[Village Idiot]

Congratulations Warrior fans on ending the Championship drought and winning another NBA title.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gotta hope Lebron has something left to give these next few years. He's played a lot of basketball these last 5 years.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Lbj showing that he has grown up, solid to see him give curry the hand shake and congratulate the bench before he split

Not so fast. He #####ed that the postgame slushies were blue instead of red, and he's saying he's too big for the parent tunnel.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So who wants to talk draft?

I recommend DraftExpress for player breakdowns and scouting reports, especially for the overseas players. Their mock draft order is based on how they like players and how well they fit a team's plans - not based on what they think front offices will do.

 

[Kev4029]

How is it that Cleveland owes Brendan Haywood 10 million next year? Assuming lebron, love, JR and Mike miller pick up their player options, the cavs are already at 82millon with only 8 or 9 guys.

It's a team option. They'll use it to trade for somebody that is worth a ####.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Anyone see the celebrate with dignity commercial some Warriors players did? "Be safe. Let's celebrate right..." LOL. Only in Oakland!

Yeah, cause there are never riots anywhere else after a team wins a trophy

You don't know Oakland do you? It's a riot all the time for no reason. Now there's a reason.. hopefully it will remain under control there as that place is always out of control.

Yeah, don't know it at all. I only work across the bridge in Alameda but what would I know

2 arrests last night. That is unacceptable in Oakland, there is usually at least 7 a night.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Gotta hope Lebron has something left to give these next few years. He's played a lot of basketball these last 5 years.

I feel like we're gonna see a lot more in-season rest periods for stars over the next couple seasons. It's a copycat league and there's nobody better to copy than Popovich. Wouldn't shock me to see LeBron sit 15+ games with a trumped-up injury, or maybe they won't even bother with the and will just call it rest. Silver doesn't seem to mind.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

How is it that Cleveland owes Brendan Haywood 10 million next year? Assuming lebron, love, JR and Mike miller pick up their player options, the cavs are already at 82millon with only 8 or 9 guys.

It's a team option. They'll use it to trade for somebody that is worth a ####.

Yep. Haywood's contract isn't guaranteed until August, so they can include him in a June/July trade if they want. CLE could take back up to about $15MM in salaries for next year in exchange for Haywood if they want to pay that much. And if they can't work out a deal this summe, they can cut him by the end of July and owe him nothing.Haywood is on the back end of a 6-year, $52MM deal he signed with DAL way back when. DAL amnestied him and he was picked up off waivers, so DAL paid most of his salary this year. With the team option, DAL is finally off the hook for paying Haywood.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

wait.. The Cavs don't have the first pick in the draft??

 

[CurlyNight]

GS is already coined the underdog for next year's title, and the parade hasn't even begun!

Bets are already on for the healthy Cavs to win it all in '16.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

wait.. The Cavs don't have the first pick in the draft??

They can probably get the Knicks pick for Shumpert and Smith

 

[MattFancy]

So are we ever going to find out what LeBron's secret motivation for the Finals was?

 

[Bobcat10]

Well at least Cleveland got to see a championship celebration in town.

8 years feels like a century.

Congrats No. 16 and whoever else really likes the Warriors.

 

[Abraham]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

 

[hxperson]

I'd imagine Lebron will work the hardest on his 3 pt shooting this offseason. If there was anything that looked like a hole in his game this series, that would be it. Normally he's a solid to good 3 pt shooter, but he was awful during these finals, and the whole playoffs really.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

 

[metoo]

Congrats GS fans.

 

[Max Power]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

3 years is a safe bet. I've been a long time advocate that James' weight will be an issue soon. he has 30 pounds of muscle on Jordan. That wont age well.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

So who wants to talk draft?

Mudiay in Philadelphia for dinner last night!

 

[Max Power]

So who wants to talk draft?

Mudiay in Philadelphia for dinner last night!

Glad Philly fans can still be excited about something.

Embiid's foot is scary. Almost to the point where drafting a big man isn't crazy.

 

[saintfool]

i'm happiest for Kerr. he seems like a really good guy. he seems honest enough to admit he stepped into a great situation and smart enough to just make the necessary tweaks to the team. he can grow as a coach, tactician and whatever else. i'm interested to see him develop as a coach for the future.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

Yep. He could switch over to being a PG in the Magic mode and play until he's 40, easily.

 

[Passenger]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

He's got access to and uses the best medical technology in the world. He'll play at an elite level for 10 more years.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

Yep. He could switch over to being a PG in the Magic mode and play until he's 40, easily.

Agreed. He has 99 Court Vision and is a plus rebounder and defender. Because of his size, he can initiate the offense from just about anywhere in the half-court, very similar to how Magic ran the halfcourt offense in the late 1980s. I could also see his 3PT% spiking late in his career when he's allowed to be more selective on his threes, like how Jason Kidd became an effective volume 3PT guy in his mid-30s.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

He's got access to and uses the best medical technology in the world. He'll play at an elite level for 10 more years.

Everyone in the league has access to that. How many of them are playing at an elite level at age 40. Or even at age 38? Kobe couldn't get close. Garnett couldn't get close. Dirk is hovering over the cliff as we speak. Nobody gets to 40. In fact the stars who have aged best are the ones who: (1) are willing to take a reduced role as they age, and (2) played a few years in college to spare their bodies some of those early miles. Your Tim Duncans, your Steve Nashs, your Paul Pierces, your Ray Allens. I think LeBron could do that, but he's gonna have to cut his workload quite a bit due to all the extra miles on it from starting his NBA career at age 19 and making six runs to the Finals by age 30.

Here's a good way to illustrate how old 40 is for an NBA star: Allen Iverson is 40.

 

[thecatch]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

Yep. He could switch over to being a PG in the Magic mode and play until he's 40, easily.

Agreed. He has 99 Court Vision and is a plus rebounder and defender. Because of his size, he can initiate the offense from just about anywhere in the half-court, very similar to how Magic ran the halfcourt offense in the late 1980s. I could also see his 3PT% spiking late in his career when he's allowed to be more selective on his threes, like how Jason Kidd became an effective volume 3PT guy in his mid-30s.

Agreed - I don't think Lebron will be able to play guard indefinitely as he loses quickness, but I can see him being successful as a playmaking 4 for as long as he wants.

 

[dickey moe]

Amin Elhassan from ESPN was on the radio this morning and said that JR Smith reminded him of the disposable toothbrush you use to get yourself through the weekend at a motel. So freaking true.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

i'm happiest for Kerr. he seems like a really good guy. he seems honest enough to admit he stepped into a great situation and smart enough to just make the necessary tweaks to the team. he can grow as a coach, tactician and whatever else. i'm interested to see him develop as a coach for the future.

He was a successful GM in Phoenix who had his master plan undermined by injuries and a cheapskate owner. I was impressed with how quickly he picked up running the bench, especially bench tactics during the game. Having Gentry as his second chair helped him out a ton, and Kerr is going to miss him next season. But as you said, Kerr seems like a really good guy (he's had a rep for being an authentic leader since he was a college player), quick to credit players and staff when they do well, and thoughtful with the press.

What stood out to me with Kerr in these Finals was how quick he was to credit the video coordinator for the idea of starting Iguodala. I would have been easy for Kerr to let people give him credit for that move, or be vague and call it a group decision. Moves that that IMO get your staff to work even harder for you.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

Yep. He could switch over to being a PG in the Magic mode and play until he's 40, easily.

Agreed. He has 99 Court Vision and is a plus rebounder and defender. Because of his size, he can initiate the offense from just about anywhere in the half-court, very similar to how Magic ran the halfcourt offense in the late 1980s. I could also see his 3PT% spiking late in his career when he's allowed to be more selective on his threes, like how Jason Kidd became an effective volume 3PT guy in his mid-30s.

And he is more of a team guy than almost all other 'star' players. Duncan and Pierce are the only ones that jump out who easily took a backseat to other stars. Guys like AI and Kobe (and I'm guessing Melo in the future) could have had more successful twilights had they recognized their short comings and accepted lesser roles.

 

[sjslacker]

Anyone see the celebrate with dignity commercial some Warriors players did? "Be safe. Let's celebrate right..." LOL. Only in Oakland!

Yeah, cause there are never riots anywhere else after a team wins a trophy

You don't know Oakland do you? It's a riot all the time for no reason. Now there's a reason.. hopefully it will remain under control there as that place is always out of control.

Yeah, don't know it at all. I only work across the bridge in Alameda but what would I know

2 arrests last night. That is unacceptable in Oakland, there is usually at least 7 a night.

Sal Castaneda ‏@sal_castaneda 2h2 hours ago
Last night Oakland and San Francisco Police reported no major issues with celebrations for #Warriors NBA Championship.

https://twitter.com/sal_castaneda/status/611163258666549248

But what does Sal know about Oakland, he's only a reporter from SF...

 

[Kev4029]

My Link.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

He's got access to and uses the best medical technology in the world. He'll play at an elite level for 10 more years.

Everyone in the league has access to that. How many of them are playing at an elite level at age 40. Or even at age 38? Kobe couldn't get close. Garnett couldn't get close. Dirk is hovering over the cliff as we speak. Nobody gets to 40. In fact the stars who have aged best are the ones who: (1) are willing to take a reduced role as they age, and (2) played a few years in college to spare their bodies some of those early miles. Your Tim Duncans, your Steve Nashs, your Paul Pierces, your Ray Allens. I think LeBron could do that, but he's gonna have to cut his workload quite a bit due to all the extra miles on it from starting his NBA career at age 19 and making six runs to the Finals by age 30.

Here's a good way to illustrate how old 40 is for an NBA star: Allen Iverson is 40.

Hollinger studied this really closely back when he was publishing his own books. There are a few skills and body types that age better than others. Odometer readings like games and minutes played weren't as important as age, body type, and playing style.

With LeBron, the amount of contact he's absorbed is more of a concern than the minutes he's played. Explosive wings tend to age quickly, but LeBron has a lot of PG and PF skills capable of mitigating that effect.

There will be a time when he can no longer blow by guys off the dribble, but his court vision have minimal deterioration as he ages, and his broad, clever passing skill set will slow the aging process of his first step.

For all his physical gifts, he doesn't rely on jumping over people to get rebounds - he's good enough at getting position and anticipating where the misses will go.

He's not a bad FT shooter, but he is prone to streaks at the line, which will be more of a factor as his ability to finish through contact deteriorates and he replaces some and-ones with two FTs.

His shooting form is still a little sloppy, but he will continue to get his shot off against just about anybody, and again his passing ability will help him age in that area, too.

 

[Insein]

So who wants to talk draft?

Mudiay in Philadelphia for dinner last night!

Glad Philly fans can still be excited about something. Embiid's foot is scary. Almost to the point where drafting a big man isn't crazy.

The plan to me has always been take Russell or Okafor at 3.

 

[Short Corner]

Someone mentioned earlier that lebron has one more ring then Jordan did at this age. He probably has at least 3 more excellent years left.

I think he could also seamlessly transition to being a #2 guy later in his career.

Yep. He could switch over to being a PG in the Magic mode and play until he's 40, easily.

Agreed. He has 99 Court Vision and is a plus rebounder and defender. Because of his size, he can initiate the offense from just about anywhere in the half-court, very similar to how Magic ran the halfcourt offense in the late 1980s. I could also see his 3PT% spiking late in his career when he's allowed to be more selective on his threes, like how Jason Kidd became an effective volume 3PT guy in his mid-30s.

And he is more of a team guy than almost all other 'star' players. Duncan and Pierce are the only ones that jump out who easily took a backseat to other stars. Guys like AI and Kobe (and I'm guessing Melo in the future) could have had more successful twilights had they recognized their short comings and accepted lesser roles.

I think the best description of LBJ is a cross of Stockton and Malone - two players who played to 40

 

[thecatch]

So who wants to talk draft?

Mudiay in Philadelphia for dinner last night!

Glad Philly fans can still be excited about something. Embiid's foot is scary. Almost to the point where drafting a big man isn't crazy.

The plan to me has always been take Russell or Okafor at 3.

I think you should prepare yourself for the Porzingis era.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

who is going to the parade? A few of us from work are gonna sneak down there for a bit.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So who wants to talk draft?

Mudiay in Philadelphia for dinner last night!

Glad Philly fans can still be excited about something. Embiid's foot is scary. Almost to the point where drafting a big man isn't crazy.

The plan to me has always been take Russell or Okafor at 3.

I think you should prepare yourself for the Porzingis era.

PORZINGA!

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Dad was born in Kansas then moved to Seattle at 11, so he was big into the Sonics. He used to tell me I was going to be a player like Jack Sikma. We rooted for KU every year in the NCAAs, even though neither of us went to college, still have distant relatives back there. The 90s Sonics games were amazing for us, we had season tickets in the cheap seats for 4 years and partial packages other years. We would listen to games on the radio a lot too, as I worked with him growing up. Loved the Sonics up till they got stolen by David Stern & Lumpy.

Dad must have been in Seattle in time for the 1979 title team. Nice. The Sonics had a good run of entertaining teams that also won games. That Chambers/McDaniel/Ellis nucleus lit up the scoreboard, and of course those 90s teams you go to see in person won a ton of games. Stockton and Kidd may have had prettier careers, but there were a lot of nights when Gary Payton outplayed both of them.

Brandon Rush's 7 postseason minutes and -4.5 postseason PER still qualify him for a ring. Rush is the 11th KU player to win an NBA title, and the third KU player to win an NCAA and NBA title, along with Clyde Lovellette and Mario Chalmers.

Relevant to this place, he always said the best player he ever watched was Wilt, not Jordan. Although he did say a few times that he thought LeBron might be even better than Wilt. He also was a Bird fan and referred to himself as Larry Legend (his name was Larry) more than once - he was very sarcastic.

KU hoops-centered message boards are one of the few places where you can get shade for saying Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. KU superfans are very protective of Wilt.

It's hard to explain Bird's greatness to those who weren't there to see it. But as active players, Bird was considered superior to Jordan - it wasn't until Bird retired and the Bulls started winning titles that Jordan was considered in Bird's (and Magic's) level of greatness.

Thanks for asking, Tommy. Tell your dads you love them guys.

Thanks for sharing, and again sorry for your loss. My dad and I have had our battles and differences, but sports has always been a way for us to keep the lines of communication open. Let yourself remember the good stuff.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

i'm happiest for Kerr. he seems like a really good guy. he seems honest enough to admit he stepped into a great situation and smart enough to just make the necessary tweaks to the team. he can grow as a coach, tactician and whatever else. i'm interested to see him develop as a coach for the future.

 

[sports_fan]

So are we ever going to find out what LeBron's secret motivation for the Finals was?

seems unlikely