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Titans' RB situation (1 Viewer)
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3C's
Footballguy
Ah, you meant the next game. Sorry about that. Maybe I should look at Henry anyway. It's not like Brown is the most durable guy around.
BDubs
Footballguy
"RB LenDale White returned from ankle and knee injuries and got a lot of work, with carries on the first two plays of the first series and five carries in the first 14 plays. He looked smooth and strong."
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...1/70822064/1027
Looks like he will get his turn to start this week in Buffalo.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...1/70822064/1027
Looks like he will get his turn to start this week in Buffalo.
Brutis
Footballguy
I dont remember this guy having so many durability issues in college, for some reason i remember him always suiting up and playing. I have no idea why this guy spends so much time looking for ways to miss practice/games?
flufhed
Footballguy
Lendale is the starter, unless and until he is injured. Chris Brown has shown the staff alot, as they were down on him before, but they want Lendale to take that job. If Lendale can keep the job, I see over 1,000 yards, making him an excellent value at where he is getting drafted.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
1. Based on what?2. He is injured.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
At this point i don't know how anyone can make that claim with a straight face.No one knows for sure who the starter is going to be. I can understand if you think LenDale could be, but there is no indications at this point that makes it a lock whatsoever.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
How do you see this breaking down?Henry - Somewhat of an unknown quantity right now. Got extensive 1st string reps in the last preseason game and was not impressive.Brown - Has shown talent and ability, but "so far" has not stayed consistently healthy to be a reliable every down back.White - Talent and potential, so far has proven nothing except fat and lazy. Has he turned the corner and just needs to get healthy?I don't see Henry as a viable option right now. So either it's Brown's job, Brown/Lardale split, or Lardale transforms into Lendale and takes over as the main rb.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
My opinion is that Brown is the starter until one of the other two clearly outplays him.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Haters see what they want.............this guy hits the hole and has great burst , is he R.Bush?...No , but he CAN motor for a guy his size.
Watch the runs against Arizona. Pretty nice.
Rushmore
Footballguy
Never been a real big fan of his, and that has nothing to do with any attitude/off field accusations. I think he lacks quickness and acceleration. I think once he gets going, he probably has enough speed, but it seems to take him a bit to get there. Guys like Stephen Davis and Bettis seemed to have more quickness in short bursts, which I think is essential in the NFL...moreso than speed. It may prove that I'm wrong about him, but I've just never been a fan of his prospects outside of perhaps being a goaline short yard runner.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Did you watch him run last year?
He didn't miss that many games, but he missed a lot of practice time. He was always fighting some ailment or another.Watching him and Bush in college so much I always thought LenDale would be the better true NFL RB. As my RB5, I still have hopes he can just be a starting RB in the NFL...I dont remember this guy having so many durability issues in college, for some reason i remember him always suiting up and playing. I have no idea why this guy spends so much time looking for ways to miss practice/games?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
He hit holes in college that were 10x's as big as he'll get in the NFL. Any RB with marginal college level talent could have run through most of the holes he had in that highlight reel.Either way even if he was this great talent some are claiming he doesn't work hard enough to have much of a career at this level. The NFL is filled with great talents, you need more than that to survive at the top level of football.
Also who besides Bettis had a body type like him and had long term success in the NFL in the past 10 years?
White might be the starter at some point during the season, but it will be more due to having no one very good to compete against. I don't see any team wanting to rely on a guy like him longterm. I could maybe see him as a fullback, but he's not strong enough to fill that role either, that's his problem, he's a one trick pony and he's just not that great at that one trick.
Also who besides Bettis had a body type like him and had long term success in the NFL in the past 10 years?
White might be the starter at some point during the season, but it will be more due to having no one very good to compete against. I don't see any team wanting to rely on a guy like him longterm. I could maybe see him as a fullback, but he's not strong enough to fill that role either, that's his problem, he's a one trick pony and he's just not that great at that one trick.
Below are some comments I made over 2 weeks ago in a LenDale White thread, with additional remarks since then after:
"At practice he isn't really performing at a level that would put him above the two Chris's (Brown & Henry). He doesn't look terrible in practice, he is making catches in the 2 min drills even running a little split end / flanker sometimes in the spread formation. Really hard to judge LenDale this early into training camp, he is the type of player, the guy who runs people over, that his progress this year will be hard to judge until tackle practice & the preseason games.
That said, I wouldn't draft him as a RB3 in fantasy. Maybe I'd consider him as a 4th RB if I have 3 solid players to rotate, if I was in a league that drafted early this month. Chris Brown is definitely the Titans RB to own, or that should be drafted first."
From what I can surmise from watching practice, Chris Brown will get the bulk of the work (15-18 carries a game, maybe 20+ if they are playing with a lead--whihc is unlikely in weeks 1-3 @JAX, IND, @NO). He runs every play through hard, he's a *running* back. In Fantasy terms, Chris Brown is like a lower tier RB3, or a solid RB4 for your bench. Depending on the Titans' matchup with your RB1/2 bye week, he could be a decent start that won't give you a goose-egg in the lineup.
Chris Henry is also looking good in practice but his moves in the hole seem a little too predictable. I would say Henry will get about 5 carries a game, mostly in garbage time if they are behind, or possibly in passing situations where they want his speed on the field as a weapon. In fantasy terms, Chris Henry is the kind of "sleeper / dark horse" player you draft in the final 3-4 rounds, hoping he catches lightning in a bottle like a Jones-Drew.
LenDale has nagging injuries and is missing alot of PT; thus his conditioning will probably suffer. Granted, the team is playing every day in 95-105 degree weather here in Nashville; but the first game is in Jacksonville, and it will be nearly that hot on the field in Alltel Stadium. From what little I've seen LenDale play, he doesn't practice as hard as Brown & Henry. Maybe as the season moves on he can play himself into shape? The Titans probably want their 2nd round pick from last year to be a useful weapon in the power run game, so expect LenDale to be force-fed (punny!) the ball 8-12 times per game.
For fantasy, people that believe in LenDale's NFL career will probably draft him as a RB3/4 type. Personally I'd grab him as a 5th RB if he was there and I was looking to build depth at the position. Because of his pedigree expect someone to reach on him as a RB3 or RB2 in a larger league. Expect that owner to also be looking to upgrade their RB position via waiver/trade during the season as well.
Overall, I'd say Vince Young is a borderline QB1, Brandon Jones or Moulds could be a reasonable bench WR5, Henry as a RB3/4, Scaife as a TE2 (big sleeper as a top10 TE though). Titans defense has some good matchups for playing against bad offenses for TeamD by committee.
"At practice he isn't really performing at a level that would put him above the two Chris's (Brown & Henry). He doesn't look terrible in practice, he is making catches in the 2 min drills even running a little split end / flanker sometimes in the spread formation. Really hard to judge LenDale this early into training camp, he is the type of player, the guy who runs people over, that his progress this year will be hard to judge until tackle practice & the preseason games.
That said, I wouldn't draft him as a RB3 in fantasy. Maybe I'd consider him as a 4th RB if I have 3 solid players to rotate, if I was in a league that drafted early this month. Chris Brown is definitely the Titans RB to own, or that should be drafted first."
From what I can surmise from watching practice, Chris Brown will get the bulk of the work (15-18 carries a game, maybe 20+ if they are playing with a lead--whihc is unlikely in weeks 1-3 @JAX, IND, @NO). He runs every play through hard, he's a *running* back. In Fantasy terms, Chris Brown is like a lower tier RB3, or a solid RB4 for your bench. Depending on the Titans' matchup with your RB1/2 bye week, he could be a decent start that won't give you a goose-egg in the lineup.
Chris Henry is also looking good in practice but his moves in the hole seem a little too predictable. I would say Henry will get about 5 carries a game, mostly in garbage time if they are behind, or possibly in passing situations where they want his speed on the field as a weapon. In fantasy terms, Chris Henry is the kind of "sleeper / dark horse" player you draft in the final 3-4 rounds, hoping he catches lightning in a bottle like a Jones-Drew.
LenDale has nagging injuries and is missing alot of PT; thus his conditioning will probably suffer. Granted, the team is playing every day in 95-105 degree weather here in Nashville; but the first game is in Jacksonville, and it will be nearly that hot on the field in Alltel Stadium. From what little I've seen LenDale play, he doesn't practice as hard as Brown & Henry. Maybe as the season moves on he can play himself into shape? The Titans probably want their 2nd round pick from last year to be a useful weapon in the power run game, so expect LenDale to be force-fed (punny!) the ball 8-12 times per game.
For fantasy, people that believe in LenDale's NFL career will probably draft him as a RB3/4 type. Personally I'd grab him as a 5th RB if he was there and I was looking to build depth at the position. Because of his pedigree expect someone to reach on him as a RB3 or RB2 in a larger league. Expect that owner to also be looking to upgrade their RB position via waiver/trade during the season as well.
Overall, I'd say Vince Young is a borderline QB1, Brandon Jones or Moulds could be a reasonable bench WR5, Henry as a RB3/4, Scaife as a TE2 (big sleeper as a top10 TE though). Titans defense has some good matchups for playing against bad offenses for TeamD by committee.
stevegamer
Footballguy
I really liked what I saw of Brown in the pre-season action I watched. I haven't seen White yet, so while I'm willing to reserve judgement, he should be the #3 option there if he's not significantly better than the others, and I doubt he will be.
Conditioning is questionable, work ethic is questionable, and I do think the USC OL made him look better than he was.
Weren't he & Henry both 2nd round picks? Why would White being a second rounder matter so much more than Henry being a second rounder?
Conditioning is questionable, work ethic is questionable, and I do think the USC OL made him look better than he was.
Weren't he & Henry both 2nd round picks? Why would White being a second rounder matter so much more than Henry being a second rounder?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Henry was a reach and White fell, thats why.
-OZ-
Footballguy
White fell for a good reason, and draft pick doesn't matter now.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Wonderful. But Henry was a reach by the guys who ran the draft this year, so they must like him. And since they had white already, I think that means they weren't happy with just hjaving White and not another plan.Draft pick matters, to an extent. But trying to make it mean that White will get breaks that Henry won't is asinine.
So far, White's been injured and to my knowledge, since rejoining, Brown has not. I wouldn't count on Brown staying healthy all season, but so far, I see no reason to predict White to do so either. Brown has practiced alot more, has looked better and has somewhat of a track record. Until White starts actually playing and forces the coaches to play him with his performance...Brown's the man.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I cannot believe that the Titans have used 3 first day picks in the last two years on RBs and Brown is the best of the bunch still with the team, but that is the case. White/Henry may displace him, but it's not happening so far. Deal.
Did you watch the video? I'm not a White fan but he made plenty of people miss.he isn't going to break the 50 yard runs unless backside help just sucks or everything goes compeltely right, but the guy certainly has the ability to give you consistent yards. Being used similar to how he was at USC and he could excel in the NFL. I think he is similar to Bettis, although he isn't Bettis but the potential is there.
CharrdWood
Footballguy
It's a YouTube clip. Anyone can be made to be a world beater. How many vids are on YouTube showcase a player at his worst? I think it'll play out like this:Taking the pre-draft press reports at face value (i.e., they were correct), the Titans FO made a "best effort" attempt to sign Turner, but the Chargers--and, specifically, A.J. Smith--wanted an extortionate amount for him. The underlying thinking is that the Chargers are loaded for a Super Bowl run this year, and MT may well be a key cog in that push. Fair play to both sides in that event.
2008 is another matter altogether. There has been much criticism of the FO to spend free agent dollars this seaon. Perhaps they're saving a war chest to sign a player like Turner before next season?
I look at it this way: Going into the draft, we knew that our 3 positions of greatest need were/are RB (knowing that we were going to release Henry), pass rusher, DB (dunno their exact order in our team's thinking). This is predicated on the (apparent) widespread belief that a top-quality WR in the traditional mold is not what VY needs right now (another topic of discussion). We couldn't swing a deal to get Turner, and the FO knew that by the time we picked there wasn't a feature back, so that left DE and DB. The best player on the board was Griffin, and so he was selected. And I'm glad he's in the fold, based on what I've read (sorry, I live in NYC and not Tennessee, so I don't speak from any authority).
Depending on how things go this season, I expect that any big money FA dollars next year go to whichever of the other two positions (DE/DL, RB) turns out to be more deficient this season. If it does, indeed, turn out to be RB, I'll think the Titans FO to be negligent if they don't move Heaven and Earth to acquire Turner. Unless, of course, the season turns out much worse than most of us expect and we're in line to draft an even better back.
2008 is another matter altogether. There has been much criticism of the FO to spend free agent dollars this seaon. Perhaps they're saving a war chest to sign a player like Turner before next season?
I look at it this way: Going into the draft, we knew that our 3 positions of greatest need were/are RB (knowing that we were going to release Henry), pass rusher, DB (dunno their exact order in our team's thinking). This is predicated on the (apparent) widespread belief that a top-quality WR in the traditional mold is not what VY needs right now (another topic of discussion). We couldn't swing a deal to get Turner, and the FO knew that by the time we picked there wasn't a feature back, so that left DE and DB. The best player on the board was Griffin, and so he was selected. And I'm glad he's in the fold, based on what I've read (sorry, I live in NYC and not Tennessee, so I don't speak from any authority).
Depending on how things go this season, I expect that any big money FA dollars next year go to whichever of the other two positions (DE/DL, RB) turns out to be more deficient this season. If it does, indeed, turn out to be RB, I'll think the Titans FO to be negligent if they don't move Heaven and Earth to acquire Turner. Unless, of course, the season turns out much worse than most of us expect and we're in line to draft an even better back.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
2morrow will go a long ways towards determining a 'starter'. TN was spoon feeding White this job. He's done nothing to earn it yet. (I can't believe this guy still can't get in shape after 1) trying to prove other teams wrong after being drafted in Round 2; 2) justifying them letting T.Henry go.)
Yet he still uses the excuse he played at 250-something in the Rose Bowl successfully almost 2 years ago. Some players do try to get better....some don't and just try to get by.
I'm surprised Dontrell Moore isn't getting a shot here with a larger role. He has the shiftiness that I've yet to see in any of the other 3.
Just an ugly situation in the TN backfield. One that I definitely feel will be overhauled in 2008.
Yet he still uses the excuse he played at 250-something in the Rose Bowl successfully almost 2 years ago. Some players do try to get better....some don't and just try to get by.
I'm surprised Dontrell Moore isn't getting a shot here with a larger role. He has the shiftiness that I've yet to see in any of the other 3.
Just an ugly situation in the TN backfield. One that I definitely feel will be overhauled in 2008.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
61 carries, 244 yds, 4.0 avgVery pedestrian, not great, not terrible--also, not a very big sample. Were you trying to suggest he has proven himself as an NFL starter?Look, I drafted him late(many rnds after Henry/Brown went). I hope the small gamble pays off, but I certianly don't expect him to automatically take over.p.s. BEAR DOWN!!LHUCKS said:
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
It's a 9 minute video. While the USC o-line opened huge holes on a number of plays, the video shows White looking explosive and decisive. He showcases quick cuts - looks like a completely different player than the one we've seen in TEN. So while I agree that YouTube clips can pick & choose plays, that's a little tougher to do in a 9 minute video; we're not talking a 45-second clip here.If you don't like Lendale, just say it. But you can't use this clip as evidence, 'cause he looked pretty good over and over again.
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