Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Can't get a read on this game at all. Obviously, the Saints need to win. But can they?
I'll guess 23-13, New Orleans.
I'll guess 23-13, New Orleans.
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Titans/Saints (1 Viewer)
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Slingblade
Footballguy
27-20 Titans
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Titans 20, Saints 17
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm looking at the two QBs who beat the Saints this year. Peyton Manning, and a still-underrated Jeff Garcia. The Saints are at home where their crowd will be nuts -- think of the Monday night opener last year vs. Atlanta -- and Vince Young isn't a QB who will kill anyone through the air, where New Orleans is most vulnerable. If the game plan is to keep VY contained (easier said than done, granted), and they are successful, I can see an inspired 10-point victory, as my score indicated.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
34-20 Saints.
DinkinFlicka
Footballguy
I am taking under 45.5 on the game. I also think that the Titans will win because they will be able to stop the run, make New Orleans predictable and just rush the passer with their deep defensive line rotation. I have a couple questions about the game itself though.
1. Will Vince Young be able to torch Jason David deep? The Titans would be foolish not to test him.
2. Will the Saints use a safety as a spy like they did against Mike Vick last season? It worked very well against Vick last year. Vince is a different type of runner than Vick, but the spy tactic really caused problems. If the Saints use the same type of spy on defense I wonder if the Titans will be ready for it.
3. What kind of impact is the crowd going to have? They will be loud, but will it be like last year or not?
4. Will Kevin Mawae play? Any time the starting center goes down it's going to cause problems with presnap calls, losing Mawae will hurt the running game quite a bit as well. He's tough so I think he'll give it a go, but keep an eye on it. He's listed as Probable with a knee injury.
5. Will we see the return of the Tennessee Tyrants? The defensive swagger may be coming back with the players they have in place. The defensive line has the talent to be top 5 in the NFL.
1. Will Vince Young be able to torch Jason David deep? The Titans would be foolish not to test him.
2. Will the Saints use a safety as a spy like they did against Mike Vick last season? It worked very well against Vick last year. Vince is a different type of runner than Vick, but the spy tactic really caused problems. If the Saints use the same type of spy on defense I wonder if the Titans will be ready for it.
3. What kind of impact is the crowd going to have? They will be loud, but will it be like last year or not?
4. Will Kevin Mawae play? Any time the starting center goes down it's going to cause problems with presnap calls, losing Mawae will hurt the running game quite a bit as well. He's tough so I think he'll give it a go, but keep an eye on it. He's listed as Probable with a knee injury.
5. Will we see the return of the Tennessee Tyrants? The defensive swagger may be coming back with the players they have in place. The defensive line has the talent to be top 5 in the NFL.
Slingblade
Footballguy
People are still thinking this Saints team is the one of last year. It isn't.
The saints have pulled a Jones-Drew and lost the lightning in the bottle.
The saints have pulled a Jones-Drew and lost the lightning in the bottle.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I noticed your location in your profile, and I'm wondering if your view is wishful thinking or your honest assessment.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
From 1978-2005, 257 teams won 10 games or more in a season. Thirty-one of those teams started off 0-2 the next year. Three more -- the Jets, Eagles and Saints -- did it again in '06-'07. Only one of those 257 teams had a points differential after two games worse than the Saints' current one of -48. That team won its third game pretty handily, after losing its opener on the road against the SB champs and losing in week two at home against a weak division rival. The team would rebound after the two games and play like it did in the prior season.So yeah, there's some hope for the 'Aints. Three other teams tied for the second worst +/- differential: the '05-'06 Bucs (bad), the '02-'03 Eagles (good) and the '92-'93 Steelers (good). The latter two teams would come back to make the playoffs. So it seems an 0-2 start, even one where the team looks absolutely HORRIBLE, is hardly a death knell for a former playoff team.Can't get a read on this game at all. Obviously, the Saints need to win. But can they?
I'll guess 23-13, New Orleans.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm guessing that just about every opponent goes into games with Tennessee with some form of a spy, thinking "Vince Young isn't going to beat us with his legs"... but that doesn't always work out. The guy is so gifted when he decides to get outta dodge.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Interesting.I want to put you and SSOG in a "BOOK OF STATS" steel cage death match.From 1978-2005, 257 teams won 10 games or more in a season. Thirty-one of those teams started off 0-2 the next year. Three more -- the Jets, Eagles and Saints -- did it again in '06-'07. Only one of those 257 teams had a points differential after two games worse than the Saints' current one of -48. That team won its third game pretty handily, after losing its opener on the road against the SB champs and losing in week two at home against a weak division rival. The team would rebound after the two games and play like it did in the prior season.So yeah, there's some hope for the 'Aints. Three other teams tied for the second worst +/- differential: the '05-'06 Bucs (bad), the '02-'03 Eagles (good) and the '92-'93 Steelers (good). The latter two teams would come back to make the playoffs. So it seems an 0-2 start, even one where the team looks absolutely HORRIBLE, is hardly a death knell for a former playoff team.Can't get a read on this game at all. Obviously, the Saints need to win. But can they?
I'll guess 23-13, New Orleans.
Slingblade
Footballguy
I have seen both of the saints games this year.It is my honest assessment.
Slingblade
Footballguy
Bingo. Anyone see Bob Sanders spy Vince last week? He juked Bob Sanders and flat out left him.
well i am a homer, and I honestly think Titans win. The Defense is back folks. I am telling you, this team looks just like the one that went to superbowl. Dirty smashmouth football, alot of rushing. Alot of defense. A team everyone underestimates. It is going to be a good game. I will be surprised if Bush and Brees make it out healthy.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
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DinkinFlicka
Footballguy
Yeah I'm sure teams are well aware of Vince's legs, but if you are familiar with last years game against the Falcons, it was a Monday Nighter early in the season, you will know what I'm talking about. It was a little wrinkle that brought the FS up and it seemed to catch Vick off guard because he wasn't able to shake it. You can spy Vick and Vince all you want, but if the guy you do it with can't tackle him it's not going to work. For some reason the Saints just seemed to be able to cut down his angles perfectly, so they were teaching something correctly. I am not totally sure, I think that it was Bullocks who spied him. Can anyone recall exactly who it was? It was just another example of the innovation the Saints used last year, so I'm wondering if they will still be innovative like that or what.I didn't see the Titans/Colts game last week, but I did see Sanders make two big tackles on Vince in the highlights.RAIDERNATION said:
DinkinFlicka
Footballguy
Dirty smashmouth football... that sounds like the Tennessee Tyrants to me. Fat Albert said in the preseason that that's what they wanted to bring back and they got the type of nastiness and talent to do it.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I have a decent-sized bet on Tenn this week (+5) and I think they have a good shot at a victory here. Losing a close one to Indy makes Tenn angry and even more battle-tested. Tenn doesn't get much respect given their recent success. Look at the Titans' last 10 games (including 2006):
BAL 27 @ TEN 26
TEN 31 @ PHI 13
NYG 21 @ TEN 24
IND 17 @ TEN 20
TEN 26 @ HOU 20
JAC 17 @ TEN 24
TEN 30 @ BUF 29
NE 40 @ TEN 23
TEN 13 @ JAC 10
IND 22 @ TEN 20
Tenn would have been dogs in the majority of those games, and the only blowout was the Patriots game. Furthermore, Tenn was 2-0 straight up in the two games following Indy last year, so they didn't seem to have a letdown after playing the Colts.
BAL 27 @ TEN 26
TEN 31 @ PHI 13
NYG 21 @ TEN 24
IND 17 @ TEN 20
TEN 26 @ HOU 20
JAC 17 @ TEN 24
TEN 30 @ BUF 29
NE 40 @ TEN 23
TEN 13 @ JAC 10
IND 22 @ TEN 20
Tenn would have been dogs in the majority of those games, and the only blowout was the Patriots game. Furthermore, Tenn was 2-0 straight up in the two games following Indy last year, so they didn't seem to have a letdown after playing the Colts.
If Brandon Jones makes that last catch, the Titans probably go on to beat a Colts team that is better on both sides of the ball than the Saints.
The Titans defense should give Brees a hard time just as they did with Manning, and the running game should let Vince get deep a time or 3. The Saints are a good team though, they should be able to put some serious points up this week.
28-24 Titans.
The Titans defense should give Brees a hard time just as they did with Manning, and the running game should let Vince get deep a time or 3. The Saints are a good team though, they should be able to put some serious points up this week.
28-24 Titans.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
27-23 Titans
DinkinFlicka
Footballguy
I just caught NFL Matchup on ESPN. Jaws broke down the defense I was talking about with respect to spying with a safety. The Colts did it with Sanders last week and he even pulled out a clip from last season of the Saints/Falcons game I was talking about. It was Roman Harper used as the spy, not Bullocks.
