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To DH or not DH (1 Viewer)

HoTnickZ

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For years purists and NL supporters would back the no DH rule simply because it is too convenient and makes too much sense, but let's face it, it makes for horrendous baseball as a fan. The cons outweigh the pros (double switch? :thumbdown: ) by such a large margin that it is surprising this debate still goes on, and that the anti DH crowd seemingly outnumber the pro DH by as much as it does.

To list a few: The bottom of the order rendered basically useless, excessive bunting/wasting of outs, pitchers getting yanked earlier than they should for a below avg batter, pitchers racking up easier outs/utilizing the bottom of order as a safety net/rally killer (just kills the momentum and flow of games), instead of allowing the best to do what they do best, replacing them with the worst with pitchers having to hit etc.

All for what exactly? The excitement of seeing some predictable strategical display carry out (because of course this is what fans come to see, not the likes of David Ortiz hitting rather than Russ) or under some false pretense that making players who are clearly not capable of being overall players improves the quality of the sport. Remind me, how is this good for the game again?

I know this is isn't a popular position I'm taking but I find it hard to believe that as many people who oppose it cannot see the logic in the DH position, as it seems like this point of view is the minority simply because it is unpopular to think this way amongst the baseball community. At the very least I support the idea of doing the switch, AL rules in NL parks and vice versa.

Thoughts?

 
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I think it depends a lot on what league you identify with more.

As someone who has spent their whole life watching the AL, I think not having a DH makes for a less entertaining game.

 
I think it depends a lot on what league you identify with more.As someone who has spent their whole life watching the AL, I think not having a DH makes for a less entertaining game.
This is very true. As someone who has been an NL fan my whole life, I dislike the DH. I think that it takes half of the strategy out of the game. Teams don't try to steal as much or hit and run as much because runs are supposed to come easier. Station to station baseball is boring, IMO, and bunts can be very exciting plays. Also, you can have an added advantage by having a good hitting pitcher like Zambrano or Marquis (I'm actually a Cards fan, but these two Cubs came to mind first).The DH also allows for pitchers to wing balls at batters heads with no fear of retaliation (ala Pedro). Double switches are just an additional part of the game in the NL and the way LaRussa does it all season, it keeps his entire bench active throughout the season, which can be a huge lift come playoff time or anytime a player goes down because everyone is used to being ready to play every day (remember So Taguchi and Scott Spezio from last year's playoffs).I can see how watching lineups like the BoSox or Yanks with 9 good hitters can be entertaining, but I love a good NL game with all of the additional strategizing. Plus, it is the same game that I grew up playing with bunting stealing and pitchers hitting (although the pitcher was usually one of the best hitters at those ages).
 
having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football

I think within the next few years the DH will be standard across both leagues

 
I was just thinking yesterday....If you were a bench player....Wouldn't you rather play in an NL park because your going to get more opportunities to play pinch hitting for a pitcher than you would in a AL park?

 
having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football
Could you expand on this comparison?.....I dont see the connection.....Wouldn't you think it would be more comparable to someone on defense playing offense....like Champ Bailey? Warren Sapp?....Personally I liked seeing Warren Sapp do a TD Dance....just like I love watching a Pitcher hit a HR.
 
having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football
Could you expand on this comparison?.....I dont see the connection.....Wouldn't you think it would be more comparable to someone on defense playing offense....like Champ Bailey? Warren Sapp?....Personally I liked seeing Warren Sapp do a TD Dance....just like I love watching a Pitcher hit a HR.
I'm guessing he was referencing the fact that a pitcher is a specialist. There are two main classifications in baseball, position players and pitchers. Position players are measured in the five tools, regardless of which position they play. Pitchers meanwhile, are measured in a completely different manner. Pitchers are as different from position players as kickers are from the guys on offense and defense.
 
I never understand why people seem to think it needs to be standard across both leagues. I think it makes perfect sense the way it is.

AL fans like offense and getting better hitters to the plate. Good for them, why should NL fans have a problem with that?

NL fans like tradition and playing the strategy. Good for them, why should AL fans have a problem with that?

 
having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football
Could you expand on this comparison?.....I dont see the connection.....Wouldn't you think it would be more comparable to someone on defense playing offense....like Champ Bailey? Warren Sapp?....Personally I liked seeing Warren Sapp do a TD Dance....just like I love watching a Pitcher hit a HR.
I'm guessing he was referencing the fact that a pitcher is a specialist. There are two main classifications in baseball, position players and pitchers. Position players are measured in the five tools, regardless of which position they play. Pitchers meanwhile, are measured in a completely different manner. Pitchers are as different from position players as kickers are from the guys on offense and defense.
Exactly. Pitching is a specialty (and of course there are specialties within that). Pitchers are valuable for their arm, not their bat. Watching a pitcher bat sucks, it lacks excitement, often a bunt, most often an out, stupid
 
I never understand why people seem to think it needs to be standard across both leagues. I think it makes perfect sense the way it is. AL fans like offense and getting better hitters to the plate. Good for them, why should NL fans have a problem with that?NL fans like tradition and playing the strategy. Good for them, why should AL fans have a problem with that?
Because it's silly for a sports league to have rule differences within the league like this. Also, it can have a negative effect on the game in interleague play and the World Series. I just don't see the need for the difference and would change it if I could. But I'm not exactly losing sleep over it.
 
having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football
Could you expand on this comparison?.....I dont see the connection.....Wouldn't you think it would be more comparable to someone on defense playing offense....like Champ Bailey? Warren Sapp?....Personally I liked seeing Warren Sapp do a TD Dance....just like I love watching a Pitcher hit a HR.
I'm guessing he was referencing the fact that a pitcher is a specialist. There are two main classifications in baseball, position players and pitchers. Position players are measured in the five tools, regardless of which position they play. Pitchers meanwhile, are measured in a completely different manner. Pitchers are as different from position players as kickers are from the guys on offense and defense.
Exactly. Pitching is a specialty (and of course there are specialties within that). Pitchers are valuable for their arm, not their bat. Watching a pitcher bat sucks, it lacks excitement, often a bunt, most often an out, stupid
Lacks excitement?Didn't Zambrano hit a game winning HR the other night?
 
Why not have 9 guys go out and play defense who are good at fielding and have 9 different guys bat who are good hitters?

 
I would love for Carlos Zambrano to come to the AL and then hit for himself every game he pitched.

 
Wrong. Many DHs could be serviceable in the field. Hell, anyone can get by at first base.
Define serviceable. I could go out there and play the field and I haven't played baseball in 20 years. Would I be serviceable?
 
I would love for Carlos Zambrano to come to the AL and then hit for himself every game he pitched.
Why would that be a problem, he does it every time out now.I'm sure he'd be serviceable. :confused: :blackdot: :popcorn:
 
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having pitchers hit is akin to having kickers play offense in football
Could you expand on this comparison?.....I dont see the connection.....Wouldn't you think it would be more comparable to someone on defense playing offense....like Champ Bailey? Warren Sapp?....Personally I liked seeing Warren Sapp do a TD Dance....just like I love watching a Pitcher hit a HR.
I'm guessing he was referencing the fact that a pitcher is a specialist. There are two main classifications in baseball, position players and pitchers. Position players are measured in the five tools, regardless of which position they play. Pitchers meanwhile, are measured in a completely different manner. Pitchers are as different from position players as kickers are from the guys on offense and defense.
Exactly. Pitching is a specialty (and of course there are specialties within that). Pitchers are valuable for their arm, not their bat. Watching a pitcher bat sucks, it lacks excitement, often a bunt, most often an out, stupid
Lacks excitement?Didn't Zambrano hit a game winning HR the other night?
You found the exception to the rule...way to go
 
Why not have 9 guys go out and play defense who are good at fielding and have 9 different guys bat who are good hitters?
Because it is infinitely easier to be good at hitting and fielding than it is to be good at hitting and pitching.I thought the FFA was smarter than this. Whether you agree with the DH or not, I think it's fairly easy to see why it exists.
 
I'm an AL fan... and I don't like the DH.

I prefer the strategy of the NL. But I think the thought that AL DHs to being unable to play in the field is a bit overplayed. The overwhelming majority of DHs will be playing in the field in NL parks.

 
I'm an AL fan... and I don't like the DH.I prefer the strategy of the NL. But I think the thought that AL DHs to being unable to play in the field is a bit overplayed. The overwhelming majority of DHs will be playing in the field in NL parks.
Like who? Seriously the only players I could find that saw the field in more than 1 game in a NL park was David Ortiz and Travis Hafner (although admittedly I am not up on who the regular DHs are for AL teams). The other DHs were used sparingly or not at all.Jim Thome played 1 out of 3 games vs Philly.Shea Hillenbrand 1 out of 3 games vs St. LouisFrank Thomas didn't play the fieldJose Vidro didn't play the fieldSammy Sosa 1 out of 2 vs. Pitt.Edit: I'm not even sure that Ortiz and Hafner qualify as DH either, they're more like position players. Players listed with DH as their position, don't see much game time when they come to NL parks.
 
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