TO dropping in rankings? (1 Viewer)

[phillzphan]

No HUGE news has come out that he is having a serious problem. His hamstring is inflamed, has a little fluid but all results come back negative for serious damage. He has some history of a ham problem, but please don't relate this to someone like Moss; TO has still had incredible year with "lingering" problems.

He is having very slight problems with coaching staff. This is a non-problem and nothing is serious. When in Philly TO had SOME problems with Reid his first year, he still had a great one. FOR NOW, this is a non-problem.

I really don't get the drop in rankings. The guy is still a stud and was brought in for the Cowboys to get far into the playoffs. Hes going to be a stud. Don't worry.

 

[diesel7982]

"Rose-colored" might be an understatement here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

 

[DoubleG]

I really don't get the drop in rankings. The guy is still a stud and was brought in for the Cowboys to get far into the playoffs. Hes going to be a stud. Don't worry.

Ummmm...I'm not worried. Oh wait, that's because I'm not a: (choose 1 please) "DALLAS HOMER"

"GUY WHO DRAFTED T.O. EARLY"

"GUY WHO TRADED FOR T.O."

 

[DoubleG]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

 

[reg]

I really don't get the drop in rankings. The guy is still a stud and was brought in for the Cowboys to get far into the playoffs. Hes going to be a stud. Don't worry.

Ummmm...I'm not worried. Oh wait, that's because I'm not a: (choose 1 please) "DALLAS HOMER"

"GUY WHO DRAFTED T.O. EARLY"

"GUY WHO TRADED FOR T.O."

"T.O. PHAN"

 

[wraith5]

You're absolutely right that there's been no "huge" news. But there's a tone that's making me very nervous...

I think a small drop in rankings is BS. It's either an "undraftable" drop because the guy's going to have another year like last year, or he stays near the top of the WR list (unless someone is suggesting TO's going to miss a couple of games because of this injury - I suppose that would explain a 10-ish spot drop).

The situation is getting higher risk for the reward every day.

 

[DoubleG]

I really don't get the drop in rankings. The guy is still a stud and was brought in for the Cowboys to get far into the playoffs. Hes going to be a stud. Don't worry.

Ummmm...I'm not worried. Oh wait, that's because I'm not a: (choose 1 please) "DALLAS HOMER"

"GUY WHO DRAFTED T.O. EARLY"

"GUY WHO TRADED FOR T.O."

"T.O. PHAN"

Good point - forgot that was an option, given the complete tool he's been. This should be a poll.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The situation is getting higher risk for the reward every day.

Thus the reason for dropping him. You have to balance the risk with the reward. At some point, his potential upside outweighs the concerns that he might be PUP. At the 3 spot, perhaps the risk outweighs the reward, given that there are other tremendous options. At the 10 spot, maybe that's a little harder to discern. A choice between Holt and T.O. = easier decision than a choice between hamstrung T.O. and hamstrung Hines Ward and inconsistent Plaxico Burress.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

 

[wannabee]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

then why were people saying it could be chronic? Hard for me to believe something happens for first time and is chronic.

 

[The Jerk]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

But he has had groin problems going back to his time as a 49er, either 2002 or 2003. Tightness in one of these areas can cause problems in the other. It's not like it was his hand in SF and now it's his foot.

 

[#@%&$!?]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

then why were people saying it could be chronic? Hard for me to believe something happens for first time and is chronic.

The chronic injury is the groin, not hammy.link

 

[wannabee]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

then why were people saying it could be chronic? Hard for me to believe something happens for first time and is chronic.

The chronic injury is the groin, not hammy.link

good catch. Sorry

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Rae Carruth will put up comparable stats to TO in Week One.

That would be approximately 7% of the fantasy football 'regular' season. 1 of 14 games...

 

[LHUCKS]

I have little variance in my WRs 4-8 as all are in the same tier.

 

[Mark Wimer]

You're absolutely right that there's been no "huge" news. But there's a tone that's making me very nervous...

I think a small drop in rankings is BS. It's either an "undraftable" drop because the guy's going to have another year like last year, or he stays near the top of the WR list (unless someone is suggesting TO's going to miss a couple of games because of this injury - I suppose that would explain a 10-ish spot drop).

The situation is getting higher risk for the reward every day.

Yep. He's #22 on my WR board now, with Glenn at #17. I don't think TO is the #1 in Dallas this year, given all the missed time in practice/the new offense/the fact that he isn't a "Parcells'" guy/the fact that Glenn and Bledsoe are Parcells' guys. If TO had been able to participate in training camp/preseason, and if he had proven his worth to coach Parcells, then he could very well have been top 5. Now, I don't think so. T.O.'s too risky to draft at his current ADP, IMO

 

[Sinrman]

I don't blame people for dropping him a bit. From 3-8 is a bit much, but hey, that injury continues to be a problem. He's not getting any time on the field with the rest of the offense. Parcells is starting to get angry. And it's a lingering injury that likely won't be 100% until after the season.

 

[airraid81]

If this were happening with any other player, this wouldn't be news, but since it's TO, we should at least keep our eye on it, considering what TO has done to past teams. I mean, he already reagrivated his injury, and he won't have great chemistry with Bledose since he's not practicing much, and he already is on the verge of a mild feud with Parcells from when Parcells replied that he wanted to see TO in practice before he played and TO replied that he could watch 10 years of game film.

 

[KCC]

I have little variance in my WRs 4-8 as all are in the same tier.

I actually have eight WRs in my top tier with very little difference between them. Therefore any news regarding injury or attitude problems may produce a sizeable ranking shift, although the actual projection difference may be relatively small.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

But he has had groin problems going back to his time as a 49er, either 2002 or 2003. Tightness in one of these areas can cause problems in the other. It's not like it was his hand in SF and now it's his foot.

He has never had hamstring problems before. That's directly from the horse's mouth. I don't care if his leg fell off once - his hamstring wasn't the cause.

 

[The Jerk]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

But he has had groin problems going back to his time as a 49er, either 2002 or 2003. Tightness in one of these areas can cause problems in the other. It's not like it was his hand in SF and now it's his foot.

He has never had hamstring problems before. That's directly from the horse's mouth. I don't care if his leg fell off once - his hamstring wasn't the cause.

OK. Then let's leave it as he's had groin problems since at least 2003. Now we've added a hamstring problem. I don't want to argue whether they are related or not. It's still not a good one-two punch.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think a small drop in rankings is BS. It's either an "undraftable" drop because the guy's going to have another year like last year, or he stays near the top of the WR list (unless someone is suggesting TO's going to miss a couple of games because of this injury - I suppose that would explain a 10-ish spot drop).

If he has another year exactly like last year, I would certainly not consider him undraftable. He played seven games last year, and after week eight he was the #2 fantasy WR in the league (despite having played one fewer game than many WRs). If you consider the fantasy regular season as being the first 14 weeks, I count Owens as being the the 15th most valuable WR last year during the fantasy regular season (giving him his actual points in the seven games he started, and the average backup WR's points in the rest of the games, and doing the same for every other WR).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

But he has had groin problems going back to his time as a 49er, either 2002 or 2003. Tightness in one of these areas can cause problems in the other. It's not like it was his hand in SF and now it's his foot.

He has never had hamstring problems before. That's directly from the horse's mouth. I don't care if his leg fell off once - his hamstring wasn't the cause.

OK. Then let's leave it as he's had groin problems since at least 2003. Now we've added a hamstring problem. I don't want to argue whether they are related or not. It's still not a good one-two punch.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[LHUCKS]

I have little variance in my WRs 4-8 as all are in the same tier.

I actually have eight WRs in my top tier with very little difference between them. Therefore any news regarding injury or attitude problems may produce a sizeable ranking shift, although the actual projection difference may be relatively small.

Exactly, although I have a mini tier of SS/Fitz/Holt.

 

[wraith5]

From 3-8 is a bit much

5 spots is "a bit much"??!? It's a bit nothing - probably less than a catch a game, or a TD or two for the season. 5 spots is either a little missed chemistry with Bledsoe, or a cop-out on a bigger statement. Personally, I agree with Wimer's statement above.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. We are talking about a difference of less than .5 points per game here. If you don't like somone elses rankings there is always the option of adjusting them yourself.

 

[hawaiiankrush]

1. T. Holt

2. C. Johnson

3. L. Fitzgerald

4. S. Smith

5. M. Harrison

6. R. Moss

7. C. Chambers

8. A. Boldin

Funny....but I don't see TO on my list.

 

[Bankerguy]

You're absolutely right that there's been no "huge" news. But there's a tone that's making me very nervous...

I think a small drop in rankings is BS. It's either an "undraftable" drop because the guy's going to have another year like last year, or he stays near the top of the WR list (unless someone is suggesting TO's going to miss a couple of games because of this injury - I suppose that would explain a 10-ish spot drop).

The situation is getting higher risk for the reward every day.

Yep. He's #22 on my WR board now, with Glenn at #17. I don't think TO is the #1 in Dallas this year, given all the missed time in practice/the new offense/the fact that he isn't a "Parcells'" guy/the fact that Glenn and Bledsoe are Parcells' guys. If TO had been able to participate in training camp/preseason, and if he had proven his worth to coach Parcells, then he could very well have been top 5. Now, I don't think so. T.O.'s too risky to draft at his current ADP, IMO

And ranking him at 22 is well..... :11:

 

[Ridgelake]

TO has no business being the #3 WR given his current situation in Dallas BEFORE THE HAMSTRING.

I've posted this in other threads, but I'll say it again here.

Dallas will run the ball 500+ times this year. They won't pass it 70% of the time like Philly did.

Dallas has Glenn and Witten, guys that will get open regularly and already HAVE the confidence of both Bledsoe and Parcells. In fact, Bledsoe to Glenn is the #2 most productive combo active behind Manning/Harrison.

Dallas will be playing with the lead a lot this year. Their defense will be too good for them to be behind a lot, or at least very often.

During a Tuna press conference at the beginning of the year when he talked about TO, one of the conversations that happened before the signing was this. Tuna: "TO, you understand that you wont catch 100 balls in this offense, right?" TO: "Yes, I understand that." Now that may not be exactly word for word, but Parcells indicated very clearly that TO understood he wasn't going to get 100 balls per year.

Even before the hamstring, expecting more than say 80/1200/9 out of TO was wishful thinking. So now with hamstring problems, which do tend to linger, I'd be real cautious about investing a high pick in him.

And if you're wondering, no, I'm not playing FF this year, so I have no allegiance or bias or whatever towards the player.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I have little variance in my WRs 4-8 as all are in the same tier.

The difference between 4th and 8th is 8.8 points. If Owens had dropped to 4th, no one would blink an eye.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

During a Tuna press conference at the beginning of the year when he talked about TO, one of the conversations that happened before the signing was this. Tuna: "TO, you understand that you wont catch 100 balls in this offense, right?" TO: "Yes, I understand that." Now that may not be exactly word for word, but Parcells indicated very clearly that TO understood he wasn't going to get 100 balls per year.

Good points, Ridgelake. One small note, though: TO has never caught more than 100 balls. He's been a top four fantasy WR five times, and in those five seasons he's averaged 86.8 receptions. So he doesn't need to lead the league in receptions to be a great fantasy WR.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Burn me once, shame on you.

Burn me twice, shame on me.

I'm gonna let T.O. be somebody else's headache this year.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I will say it again: When TO is on the field, he is one of the most productive receivers in the game. I am concerned about the hamstring, but for this year at least, I think he'll make nice with the Cowboys staff and his teammates. So, ergo, if the hammy's healthy, he'll be a top-performer. Lacking a good hamstring though could be a problem.

 

[malice]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

then why were people saying it could be chronic? Hard for me to believe something happens for first time and is chronic.

The chronic injury is the groin, not hammy.link

The chronic injury is actually his mouth (and/or agent, take your pick).The question is whether his health and attitude will make it to FF playoffs. I got burned by him last year and I consider Andy Reid a lot more patient than Parcells.

 

[PsychoMan]

TO should never have been #3 in the first place. 8 sounds more like it. He's bound to have some kind of issue again this year.

 

[Brewdude]

I'm convinced TO's temper tantrum last year cost me the Championship. He was one of three keepers and I was barely knocked out in the semi-finals...with a terrible WR corps.

Come this year, TO was again clearly one of my keepers...even though he isn't practicing, is whining about his hammy, and reportedly has no chemistry with Bledsoe. I didn't like it, but he was a keeper.

I tried shopping him during the draft to no avail. Today I was able to trade him away and feel great about it...let someone else put up with his whining and dog-house-earning-antics. Remember, last year was the team finally just gettng tired of his 'tude.

Let someone else have him.

Yes, I landed LJ in the trade, but I'm just as happy to have TO off my roster as I am to have LJ on it.

 

[simsarge]

I'm convinced TO's temper tantrum last year cost me the Championship. He was one of three keepers and I was barely knocked out in the semi-finals...with a terrible WR corps.

Come this year, TO was again clearly one of my keepers...even though he isn't practicing, is whining about his hammy, and reportedly has no chemistry with Bledsoe. I didn't like it, but he was a keeper.

I tried shopping him during the draft to no avail. Today I was able to trade him away and feel great about it...let someone else put up with his whining and dog-house-earning-antics. Remember, last year was the team finally just gettng tired of his 'tude.

Let someone else have him.

Yes, I landed LJ in the trade, but I'm just as happy to have TO off my roster as I am to have LJ on it.

I gotta ask. Someone traded LARRY JOHNSON FOR TERRELL OWENS?

 

[Da Guru]

No HUGE news has come out that he is having a serious problem. His hamstring is inflamed, has a little fluid but all results come back negative for serious damage. He has some history of a ham problem, but please don't relate this to someone like Moss; TO has still had incredible year with "lingering" problems.He is having very slight problems with coaching staff. This is a non-problem and nothing is serious. When in Philly TO had SOME problems with Reid his first year, he still had a great one. FOR NOW, this is a non-problem.I really don't get the drop in rankings. The guy is still a stud and was brought in for the Cowboys to get far into the playoffs. Hes going to be a stud. Don't worry.

If you believe he is going to be a stud..don`t worry about rankings to justify it.

 

[tangfoot]

. He has some history of a ham problem,

He does?

He's Jewish - very few people know this. Good info here.

lolFor the record, "Owens has never had a hamstring problem before."

then why were people saying it could be chronic? Hard for me to believe something happens for first time and is chronic.

Actually, I think people were saying it could be THE chronic. Big difference.

 

[Brewdude]

I'm convinced TO's temper tantrum last year cost me the Championship. He was one of three keepers and I was barely knocked out in the semi-finals...with a terrible WR corps.

Come this year, TO was again clearly one of my keepers...even though he isn't practicing, is whining about his hammy, and reportedly has no chemistry with Bledsoe. I didn't like it, but he was a keeper.

I tried shopping him during the draft to no avail. Today I was able to trade him away and feel great about it...let someone else put up with his whining and dog-house-earning-antics. Remember, last year was the team finally just gettng tired of his 'tude.

Let someone else have him.

Yes, I landed LJ in the trade, but I'm just as happy to have TO off my roster as I am to have LJ on it.

I gotta ask. Someone traded LARRY JOHNSON FOR TERRELL OWENS?

Actually, I gave him TO, Dunn, and Brooks for LJ. I threw the offer out there and he took it. He wanted a prime WR.BTW, I have LT in this league too. Yes, LT & LJ on the same team But my WRs suck...

 

[hi1111]

Who cares hell still produce and prove that hes the best reciever in the league

 

[Brewdude]

Who cares hell still produce and prove that hes the best reciever in the league

I have a really bad feeling about TO this year. Reports were that he had no chemistry with Bledsoe, and he's not been practicing. He can't put up numbers if the QB isn't in sync with him.Of course, he has to get on the field too.Bringing his own trainers in, not working with the team, no communication with the coach, handling his injury via the media with his agent. Not to mention this is his 11th year in the league -- he's turning 33 this Dec and is having various nagging injuries.I just don't like the way things are shaping up with TO this year. Too many flags to take a gamble on him.

 

[nathanbalboa]

This preseason couldn't have been worse for T.O. The guy is already a distraction; he didn't even make it one game. Even T.O. haters (myself included) thought he had a season of dominance in him. I assumed he would do "the right thing" for a year not because he had turned a new leaf, but because he's selfish and he'd want to show the world that McNabb and the Eagles were wrong. So what has transpired? The guy doesn't even have the ability to get through the preseason without causing problems...and the media is not to blame. This guy continues to do and say the wrong thing. This has disaster written all over it and T.O. is not worth the risk. I'd take a ton of WR's over him. He may still have a huge season, but I will stay away.

 

[ProdigyofParcells]

TO has no business being the #3 WR given his current situation in Dallas BEFORE THE HAMSTRING.

I've posted this in other threads, but I'll say it again here.

Dallas will run the ball 500+ times this year. They won't pass it 70% of the time like Philly did.

Dallas has Glenn and Witten, guys that will get open regularly and already HAVE the confidence of both Bledsoe and Parcells. In fact, Bledsoe to Glenn is the #2 most productive combo active behind Manning/Harrison.

Dallas will be playing with the lead a lot this year. Their defense will be too good for them to be behind a lot, or at least very often.

During a Tuna press conference at the beginning of the year when he talked about TO, one of the conversations that happened before the signing was this. Tuna: "TO, you understand that you wont catch 100 balls in this offense, right?" TO: "Yes, I understand that." Now that may not be exactly word for word, but Parcells indicated very clearly that TO understood he wasn't going to get 100 balls per year.

Even before the hamstring, expecting more than say 80/1200/9 out of TO was wishful thinking. So now with hamstring problems, which do tend to linger, I'd be real cautious about investing a high pick in him.

And if you're wondering, no, I'm not playing FF this year, so I have no allegiance or bias or whatever towards the player.

The Dallas O line is more in tune to passing than running. Have you seen their running game this PS? Barber runs too stiff and upright and is a younger Moe Williams. Julius is almost too patient running. On the flipside, it is going to be extremely difficult to stop a passing attack that can beat you short,intermediate,and deep. Look at the Cowboys run/pass ratio since Tunas arrival.

 

[JAMMIN]

Man I would love to have TO on my team. He is going to be huge this year. The cowboys need him. Another thing is that TO catches one big bomb in the next preseason game or week 1 and he is ranked in the top 3. I would definitely take my chances on TO before a few of those guys ranked above him.