Toby Gerhart (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

I can't see how Gerhart is going to be any different than Brian Leonard. Much more valuable in the NFL than in fantasy. St. Louis didn't know what to do with him, and he got banged up a bit his first two years, but they love him in Cincy as a short-yardage guy who picks up first downs, tough yards, can play some fullback, and catch the ball. But he had no chance of supplanting Jackson, and he wouldn't replace Benson now.

Did I miss where Brian Leonard led the country in rushing in the Pac-Ten and didn't lose his job to a superior talent in his senior year?

No, you just acknowledged and rejected another posters racism with RBs...I applaud your effort to be honest.

It's racism to compare a white RB to another white RB?

Racism? No, but its prejudice.

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

 

[Go deep]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

 

[Bojang0301]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Leonard's white and they shouldn't be compared. I would compare him to Eddie George and pray that the idiotic comparisons for this guy stop. I hope he fines a piece of pie in Minny and tears it up to shut a lot of people up around here.

 

[massraider]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

 

[Bojang0301]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda.

 

[massraider]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda.

How is this disagreement an attention grab? I thought my point was pretty clear, but I don't mind slowing down for those that need it:

I don't think comparing a white player to a white player is a sign of racism or prejudice. And frankly I think using the 'word' racism in the above instance means someone needs a dictionary.

I also don't know who Abe 'Begoda' is.

 

[treat88]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda.

How is this disagreement an attention grab? I thought my point was pretty clear, but I don't mind slowing down for those that need it:

I don't think comparing a white player to a white player is a sign of racism or prejudice. And frankly I think using the 'word' racism in the above instance means someone needs a dictionary.

I also don't know who Abe 'Begoda' is.

I agree it's not racism or prejudice, but it is flat out ignorant comparing players that have nothing other than skin color in common simply because they happen to have skin color in common.I mean if the point is to find comparable players to project his career arc against shouldn't we be comparing Gerhart to players that have similar football skills rather than similar skin color?

The Leonard comparison was dead at inception it is so off base.

 

[Go deep]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda.

How is this disagreement an attention grab? I thought my point was pretty clear, but I don't mind slowing down for those that need it:

I don't think comparing a white player to a white player is a sign of racism or prejudice. And frankly I think using the 'word' racism in the above instance means someone needs a dictionary.

I also don't know who Abe 'Begoda' is.

Im going to say one more thing and then im leaving this alone. You really think if Leonard was black that he would be compared to Gerhart? You know as well as i do that the comparison was made because they are both white RB's.Now im done

 

[Go deep]

I agree it's not racism or prejudice, but it is flat out ignorant comparing players that have nothing other than skin color in common simply because they happen to have skin color in common.



I mean if the point is to find comparable players to project his career arc against shouldn't we be comparing Gerhart to players that have similar football skills rather than similar skin color?

The Leonard comparison was dead at inception it is so off base.

You do know what you just described is "prejudice", right? edit, now im done

 

[massraider]

Im going to say one more thing and then im leaving this alone. You really think if Leonard was black that he would be compared to Gerhart? You know as well as i do that the comparison was made because they are both white RB's.

Now im done

I definitely agree that the fact that Leonard being white makes the comparison easier. I think going so far as to call that prejudice is a bit much. Bad comparisons get made on this board all the time, and I think mistakenly comparing two guys is a pretty easy mistake to make, and doesn't warrant a race war. I also think Gerhart wouldn't be on everyone's radar so much if he wasn't white. Everyone wants to mock the Brian Leonard comparison, but I like to remember how much love Leonard was getting coming out of college.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

Basically, I think people are pumping up Gerhart in part because he is white, which is what I thought about Leonard. Now, he's backing up the most talented back in the draft, and people are talking about talent winning out? Now this guy is a transcendent talent that won't be held back by something small like getting stuck behind the freak of all freaks?

I'm gonna go ahead and say that taking him in the late 1st is a waste, and if he pays off for someone in 5 years, I will come in and eat my crow.

 

[BINGBING]

Eric Shelton. There is your comparison. Hope that makes you feel better....but it shouldn't if you drafted him.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Brian Leonard is 6'1" 230. Gerhart is 6'0" 230.

Both are known for their power and size/speed ratio (Leonard ran a 4.49 at the combine, Gerhart ran a 4.53 - a little slower ).

Leonard was generally considered a top 10 RB in his class, but not top 3. Same could be said of Gerhart.

Both were drafted in the second round behind excellent starting RBs.

At some points during the preseason of Leonard's rookie year, there were many claims of "prejudice" against Leonard because he was white. Many people thought he was being under-rated because of it.

Is it a perfect comparison? They never are. Could there be better comparisons? Probably so. But the comparison isn't exactly crazy either. In fact it's an obvious recent comparison to consider with or without consideration given to race. To throw out the old "you are being racist" for making that comparison just brings everybody down.

My personal opinion is that Gerhart is probably a better running back than Leonard (maybe even bu a lot, who knows), but that is with the benefit of hindsight on Leonard. I don't think either of them is on the same level as Adrian Peterson, which is really the primary reason Gerhart's fantasy stock is as low as it is.

 

[treat88]

I agree it's not racism or prejudice, but it is flat out ignorant comparing players that have nothing other than skin color in common simply because they happen to have skin color in common.



I mean if the point is to find comparable players to project his career arc against shouldn't we be comparing Gerhart to players that have similar football skills rather than similar skin color?

The Leonard comparison was dead at inception it is so off base.

You do know what you just described is "prejudice", right? edit, now im done

Nope. Prejudice would be assuming something about Gerhart simply because he is white. Making the comparison isn't prejudicial, it's just short sighted and off base.

 

[Bojang0301]

Like comparing a slow black WR to Jerry Rice? Is it like that?

No, its like comparing two RB's that have nothing in common other than the fact they are white. If Leonard was black, nobody would EVER compare these two players.

Ah, it's a bad comparison. Well, it must be prejudice then.

:( What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda.

How is this disagreement an attention grab? I thought my point was pretty clear, but I don't mind slowing down for those that need it:

I don't think comparing a white player to a white player is a sign of racism or prejudice. And frankly I think using the 'word' racism in the above instance means someone needs a dictionary.

I also don't know who Abe 'Begoda' is.

I didn't understand what you were getting at because basically you were just repeating your own posts. People on this board drag race into a lot of topics and it is tiring in quite a few discussions (Vick, Big Ben, Gerhart, etc.).

 

[massraider]

Yeah, I don't know what a drag race is either,

 

[Tickle Monster]

Eric Shelton. There is your comparison. Hope that makes you feel better....but it shouldn't if you drafted him.

ool..... Gave up 2 2nd rounders to move up and get him his rookie year...

 

[Bojang0301]

Yeah, I don't know what a drag race is either,

:finger:

 

[seabronc]

Yeah, I don't know what a drag race is either,

:finger:

I do think race is a pretty interesting consideration when thinking about drafting Gerhart. We've got a guy who we know does not have an immediate opportunity to start. I wonder (wonder, not predict) if the fact that he is a white RB might influence the NFL's perception of him when it comes to a team trying to trade for him, sign him to a big free agent deal, etc. Even if this effects his evaluation in a slight way, does it keep him from ever getting that opportunity to be an impact fantasy player?I would like to believe that his performance on the field and scouting will trump all. However, his size and the reality that the NFL has not had a good white RB for some time makes me wonder if he will get type cast as a short yardarge RBBC type guy rather than a team giving him the opportunity to carry the load.

 

[Go deep]

Yeah, I don't know what a drag race is either,

:finger:

I do think race is a pretty interesting consideration when thinking about drafting Gerhart. We've got a guy who we know does not have an immediate opportunity to start. I wonder (wonder, not predict) if the fact that he is a white RB might influence the NFL's perception of him when it comes to a team trying to trade for him, sign him to a big free agent deal, etc. Even if this effects his evaluation in a slight way, does it keep him from ever getting that opportunity to be an impact fantasy player?I would like to believe that his performance on the field and scouting will trump all. However, his size and the reality that the NFL has not had a good white RB for some time makes me wonder if he will get type cast as a short yardarge RBBC type guy rather than a team giving him the opportunity to carry the load.

If he performs when given an opportunity to do so, that will not be a problem.

 

[JohnnyU]

What point are you trying to make other than trying to draw attention to certain members and yourself for the shock value 'racism' schtick that's older than Abe Begoda Vigoda.

Fixed.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Im going to say one more thing and then im leaving this alone. You really think if Leonard was black that he would be compared to Gerhart? You know as well as i do that the comparison was made because they are both white RB's.

Now im done

I definitely agree that the fact that Leonard being white makes the comparison easier. I think going so far as to call that prejudice is a bit much. Bad comparisons get made on this board all the time, and I think mistakenly comparing two guys is a pretty easy mistake to make, and doesn't warrant a race war. I also think Gerhart wouldn't be on everyone's radar so much if he wasn't white. Everyone wants to mock the Brian Leonard comparison, but I like to remember how much love Leonard was getting coming out of college.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

Basically, I think people are pumping up Gerhart in part because he is white, which is what I thought about Leonard. Now, he's backing up the most talented back in the draft, and people are talking about talent winning out? Now this guy is a transcendent talent that won't be held back by something small like getting stuck behind the freak of all freaks?

I'm gonna go ahead and say that taking him in the late 1st is a waste, and if he pays off for someone in 5 years, I will come in and eat my crow.

Why do you have your panties in such a bunch over Gerhart?

 

[JohnnyU]

Im going to say one more thing and then im leaving this alone. You really think if Leonard was black that he would be compared to Gerhart? You know as well as i do that the comparison was made because they are both white RB's.

Now im done

I definitely agree that the fact that Leonard being white makes the comparison easier. I think going so far as to call that prejudice is a bit much. Bad comparisons get made on this board all the time, and I think mistakenly comparing two guys is a pretty easy mistake to make, and doesn't warrant a race war. I also think Gerhart wouldn't be on everyone's radar so much if he wasn't white. Everyone wants to mock the Brian Leonard comparison, but I like to remember how much love Leonard was getting coming out of college.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...n+Leonard\

Basically, I think people are pumping up Gerhart in part because he is white, which is what I thought about Leonard. Now, he's backing up the most talented back in the draft, and people are talking about talent winning out? Now this guy is a transcendent talent that won't be held back by something small like getting stuck behind the freak of all freaks?

I'm gonna go ahead and say that taking him in the late 1st is a waste, and if he pays off for someone in 5 years, I will come in and eat my crow.

Why do you have your panties in such a bunch over Gerhart?

Gerhart's only value lies with the ADP owner IMO. No way in hell would I draft him if I wasn't an ADP owner. Wishing for an injury is stupid.

 

[massraider]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/i...nnesota-vikings

Ever since the Vikings made him a second-round draft pick in April, Toby Gerhart has figured as the heir to Chester Taylor's vacated role as the No. 2 tailback. But when the Vikings broke camp Thursday, Albert Young was clearly ahead of Gerhart on the depth chart. There is plenty of time for that order to change, but however you look at it, Gerhart had a tough camp. He somehow incurred the wrath of a number of defensive veterans; nose tackle Pat Williams and defensive end Ray Edwards both took their shots at him during practice. Perhaps it was just a visible portion of the NFL toughening process, but there's no doubt Gerhart has some climbing to do before the season begins.

 

[bigmarc27]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/i...nnesota-vikings

Ever since the Vikings made him a second-round draft pick in April, Toby Gerhart has figured as the heir to Chester Taylor's vacated role as the No. 2 tailback. But when the Vikings broke camp Thursday, Albert Young was clearly ahead of Gerhart on the depth chart. There is plenty of time for that order to change, but however you look at it, Gerhart had a tough camp. He somehow incurred the wrath of a number of defensive veterans; nose tackle Pat Williams and defensive end Ray Edwards both took their shots at him during practice. Perhaps it was just a visible portion of the NFL toughening process, but there's no doubt Gerhart has some climbing to do before the season begins.

Albert is 5 carries for -5. Maybe he's close friends with the Minny DL.