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igbomb
Footballguy
At least have the integrity to own what you're doing. You use inflammatory comments to stir believers up and then try to actually add merit to them after the fact. Your position is pretty clear. Feel free to move along. Or if not, that's fine too. Just don't anticipate actually having any kind of fruitful discussion.
William Munny
Footballguy
I think it was these two sentences:
They at the very least suggest on giving up trying to do any thing politically about the recent events and rely on God. That's very poor advice, imo. There are many things each of us can do politically to help us change and that includes getting involved and voting. That's something that is provable and has happened before. There isn't any evidence that getting right with God does anything.
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
Let's bow down to the know-it-all, Matuski, for he is highest being and knowledge of all things in this world and the surrounding universe. All other books that cast doubt on his name shall be forsaken, because he is the true leader, the leader of nothingness.
sho nuff
Footballguy
People saying they are going to turn to prayer is "pushing religion"?
Again...its obvious from the title that its a religious thread...nothing of it is pushing religion.
Please read my post again:
THEY AT THE VERY LEAST SUGGEST ON GIVING UP TRYING TO DO ANYTHING POLITICALLY ABOUT THE RECENT EVENTS AND RELY ON GOD.
I suspect that theme is something Pav picked up from his Bishop's Conference that was "pushed" onto him. He's taken the opportunity to push it here it appears, maybe I'm wrong. Still a very poor message.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
If things get so bad and two people with opposite views seek religion or prayer and as a result they start trying to talk to understand each other is that a bad thing? You should have a good idea what this thread is about. If it bothers you, maybe you should find refuge in another FFA thread that isn't so stressful to you.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ive read your post...nothing in that quote is pushing religion. He is suggesting that to him it is spiritual.
To me, its both, I am taking to prayer as well as political means in who I support.
I don't see him writing this or starting this thread as "pushing" anything. You see its about religion...its not pushing anyone anymore than a soccer thread is "pushing" soccer on to people.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Maybe that's the disconnect between people like OP and people like matuski. I know for myself, personally, there are few things I enjoy more than discussing / debating / defending my ideas and beliefs against challenges from others. If I share my beliefs about the universe, I invite everyone to tell me why i'm wrong and why their beliefs are right. That's exactly how I want to be treated, because otherwise no one learns anything. None of us knows for sure so why pretend that you do? But some people prefer the echoes, I guess.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Yes, you are wrong. Practicing Christians would by and large agree that acknowledging the spiritual foundation of a problem does not absolve us of civic responsibility.
lol at picking it up from my Bishop's Conference as pushed onto me. Might be a good time to mention that the 3 year cycle of readings has been in place since 1970. That's why I started this thread - they seemed particularly fitting given the current state of affairs, and I wanted to mention that to other believers who, like me, might find some meaning in the timing of these readings.
Doesn't bother me at all and I'd suggest they could do that just fine without prayer.
matuski
Footballguy
Apologies for miss understanding you. It's hard not to take what you typed at face value:
So glad to see you posting again, more often.
matuski
Footballguy
You say god, I say invisible being in the sky. One denotes reverence, one denotes a realistic description. One seems to really upset people - crazy the description of your god does that right?
Fruitful conversation was never a realistic goal. Calling out efforts to leverage tragedy in the name of religion is/was.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
You are so correct. They could. But if it takes prayer, that's probably not a bad thing. If they do it without prayer, that's probably not a bad thing either.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Here is a quote taken from Cathoics.com today about What is Heaven?:
They've modernized the idea a little bit.
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matuski
Footballguy
Is recency a standard for credibility with regards to religion? Is that where you are wanting to go with this?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Nothing there portrays God living in the clouds. You guys are reaching. It might be time to just move along.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Did you even look at what you responded to with those links in your rush to appear clever?
msommer
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
It doesn't do that either.Indeed, it portrays them as star wars characters, but even better.
matuski
Footballguy
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matuski
Footballguy
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I don't think anyone is questioning your stamina for acting like a jerk. I think I'll leave you to it.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Not at all. I'm assuming your disposition is clouding your ability to read accurately. If anything, it says He is NOT like a Star Wars character.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Like, isn't this the point? You're getting worked up about someone saying your god lives in the clouds, when: (a) let's not pretend that ISN'T a common portrayal, because it is; (b) you have no idea where your god actually lives; and (c) who gives a ####? You want your beliefs to be treated seriously and respectfully, but this is the kind of thing you get offended by? As if saying "he doesn't live in the clouds, that's an insult, he lives 'outside' the universe or something" makes it sound any more reasonable?
matuski
Footballguy
If all these millions of images, pictures, drawings, paintings, and descriptions of god are wrong - you could show us where god really is and end all this rather simply.
I totally get that you don't agree with these guys.
But please let them have a thread where they're able to talk about the things that are important to them without disrupting. Thank you.
J
matuski
Footballguy
My original posts were direct and on topic. I get that people disagree with it, but the disruption came in the form of personal insults directed at me.
This is important to me as well. I find the timing and the direct correlation to the tragedies of late to be ridiculous.
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matuski
Footballguy
Got caught up digging through god in the clouds pictures, I missed this.
Well said.
This thread isn't for debating the merits of having a religious outlook, and it's not for debating whether it's for debating the merits of having a religious outlook.
(In other words, please don't post in this thread anymore. Thanks.)
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
You should be smart enough to know that when you have atheists and agnostics defending the theist position against you, perhaps you should reconsider your stance.
Sincerely,
Atheist who agrees with your general opinion on religion, but understands there are times to respect those of other opinions by just shutting my trap.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I almost posted in here, right after the thread started and there were no responses. I was going to say that even though it's not my thing, I appreciate the fact that psychopav always posts these. No fanfare, just "here's this, if you find any use from it." A lot of religious people (hell, a lot of people with opinions of any kind) could learn a lot from that approach. I was raised Catholic, but don't practice any more. I still read the threads and a lot of times I find something of value in them.
There was an old man that used to stand on a street corner in Sacramento, praying the rosary- no signs, no pamphlets, no speeches, no protest- just him, praying with a quiet dignity. He held some kind of space there on that corner that was different from everyday reality. like I woke up a little bit walking past him. snapped out of reading my phone and became aware of my footsteps and my breathing and people around me. These threads are like that for me.
I was interested to see why so many responses were in here tonight. Then, when I saw why, I was disappointed.
Wanted to say thanks to psychopav for sharing these threads, and keep it up. And kudos for staying above the fray.
There was an old man that used to stand on a street corner in Sacramento, praying the rosary- no signs, no pamphlets, no speeches, no protest- just him, praying with a quiet dignity. He held some kind of space there on that corner that was different from everyday reality. like I woke up a little bit walking past him. snapped out of reading my phone and became aware of my footsteps and my breathing and people around me. These threads are like that for me.
I was interested to see why so many responses were in here tonight. Then, when I saw why, I was disappointed.
Wanted to say thanks to psychopav for sharing these threads, and keep it up. And kudos for staying above the fray.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
rockaction
Footballguy
Sorry to hear it, SID2006. My condolences, GB.SaintsInDome2006 said:
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