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Todd Haley, your new Steelers OC (1 Viewer)
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Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!
-Jamaal Charles and Rashard Mendenhal owner
-Jamaal Charles and Rashard Mendenhal owner
finfansteve
Footballguy
I think you have more problems on your hands with their knee situations than you do with the offensive coordinator
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Last time I remember Todd Haley as a coordinator he helped lead the ARIZONA CARDINALS to the Superbowl and they haven't had a winning season since he left. His father was a Steeler and he also should understand what comes with it. Is he arrogant? Sure. So was Mike Murlarky, so was Ken Whisenhunt, so was Bruce Arians... this is a damn good hire.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
"My father (****), in his work with the Steelers in the '70s, growing up around that, he taught me not to always be the first one to raise your hand with an answer -- but when you do answer, have the right answer," Haley told George. "Bill Parcells used to ride me hard when I coached under him, and used to say that the players were my best friends. He pounded me on that. It made me mad. But he taught me you have to be the coach first. The players have to do what they are supposed to do or there are ramifications. Now, you have to listen to the players. They have good ideas. But you have to coach them hard. And you have to find a way to let them know you care.
"Last year, they didn't know I cared. But I think you have to worry less about that at the start and establish expectations. Just coach 'em hard.'' -Todd Haley
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/11/todd-haley-the-players-have-to.html
"Last year, they didn't know I cared. But I think you have to worry less about that at the start and establish expectations. Just coach 'em hard.'' -Todd Haley
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/11/todd-haley-the-players-have-to.html
That has more to do with Warne leaving than Haley.Haley is a coach who tries to "power" his players; he wants them to know he is "in charge." I don't know how well that will go over with Roethlisberger, especially after he wasn't happy with Arians leaving, and I doubt he had much say in the hiring of Haley.
BTW-Haley was OC under Ken Whisenhunt, who was an offensive-minded coach (he was OC in Pittsburgh before he became HC in Ari). I'm sure Whisenhunt was involved in the offense in Arizona. When in KC, Haley basically screwed the pooch. He refused to let his best player (Jamaal Charles) assume the #1 RB role, and didn't get the most out of his offense. With a defensive-minded head coach in Tomlin, Haley will probably be "the guy" in charge of the offense; that doesn't bode well, IMO, for FF purposes.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
I'm aware.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't understand the Haley hate here - he was a mismatch as Chiefs coach, but I think he'll do a fine job as OC as he did with the Cards.
And he won't be able to be a loose cannon even if he wants to - Tomlin is firmly in charge there.
As for FF purposes, I think Roethlisberger will do well, and as mentioned by someone else, Mendenhall's issues are not from a potential RBBC, but his knee injury.
And he won't be able to be a loose cannon even if he wants to - Tomlin is firmly in charge there.
As for FF purposes, I think Roethlisberger will do well, and as mentioned by someone else, Mendenhall's issues are not from a potential RBBC, but his knee injury.
Warpig
Footballguy
So now I guess Mewelde Moore will get the bulk of the carries with some Mendenhall sprinkled in.
Have fun with Haley's mind games with players. The guy is a nutcase.
(This is probably tapped. If you want more info on Haley, I can meet you in private. Trust no one)
Have fun with Haley's mind games with players. The guy is a nutcase.
(This is probably tapped. If you want more info on Haley, I can meet you in private. Trust no one)
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Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
This.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
(This is probably tapped. If you want more info on Haley, I can meet you in private. Trust no one)
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Hank
Footballguy
I remember a Bengals Head Coach that was terrible at his job, and returned to his old job of defensive coordinater with the Steelers and has done pretty well over the years...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Or at least keep Haley's 'Crazy Todd' alter ego in a padded room under the stadium. Have a feeling they'll insist that the best players get the ball.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
this is a good move.
Norv turner will be unemployed for 2 seconds after the Chargers get rid of him, he's more suited as a OC. I think haley is the same way
Norv turner will be unemployed for 2 seconds after the Chargers get rid of him, he's more suited as a OC. I think haley is the same way
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Good hire.
2008 - Arizona Cardinals go 8 - 8.2009 - Arizona Carinals go 10 - 6
Haley left in 08'. The Cardinals went 10 - 6 the year after. Nice try but we can thank Warner for (our) success.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Mewelde Moore might not even be on the team next year...Redman will be the primary back until Mendenhall is healthy.Considering the other apparent options being talked about, I'll gladly take Haley.
The Hank
Footballguy
Steelers RBs currently under contract for 2012 season:Mendenhall, Redman, Dwyer, Clay, Batch
Yea, I for one thought Haley's use of Charles was fantastic. I felt last season he got just enough usage at 17 touches per game to be a big part of the gameplan but still remain fresh.In general I thought Haley did a good job as HC with the Chiefs. It was a major rebuild job and he got them in the playoffs in year two. Last year that team got ripped apart with injuries but Haley ended up righting the ship until Cassell went down and they lacked a competent backup. To echo what a few other have said I learned several years ago that the Steelers generally make a lot of un-sexy off-season moves that more often work out so it's best to trust them and I do.
Warpig
Footballguy
The point I was trying to make is that Haley tries to force squares through round holes. Haley will play mind games with his players. We all know that Mendenhall is their best runner (even though Redman is coming on). Don't be surprised if Haley starts forcing the ball to a "less talented back" to teach Mendenhall some sort of lesson. This is what he did with Charles. He insisted on trotting Thomas Jones out there to be the starter and get the most touches knowing damn well that Charles was far more talented. Haley brought in Thomas Jones if I'm not mistaken.
The Hank
Footballguy
Mendenhall is most likely going to be on PUP or out the first 3-4 weeks of the season (he tore his ACL & MCL vs. Denver in Wild Card game), I fully expect an RBBC of some sort with Redman and either a street FA or combo of Redman (60%), Dwyer (25%), Batch (10%) and Clay (5%) until Mendy is back... then probably a 55/35 split between Mendy/Redman (respectively), with the rest going to the gaggle of RB's remaining on roster.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Reading between the lines a little bit (i.e. pure speculation on my part), you could make the case that it's Ben's head they want Haley to get inside of. Which sort of makes sense - great talent, but a history of high douchery and a guy who clearly isn't killing himself with hard work off the field.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I cannot imagine Haley acting up around Mike Tomlin who has a ring and another trip to the SB on his resume. Haley is a lucky ####(sorry joe) to land with such a great organization and before all the Steelers hate starts, the team is a winner and has proven it time and time again. The front office is 1st class and they even have a specific rule named after the owner. What a great spot for Haley to work with a big arm QB and take the WR unit there to the next level. There is no doubt IMO that Haley will burn a trail across the AFC with his new weapons and skill position players.
Good for dynasty owners IMO.
Good for dynasty owners IMO.
Can you give me an example of when Haley tried to force a square through a round a hole?Depending on how you look at it Haley either played mind games with Bowe or properly found a way to motivate him and get back into shape and become a productive if not elite NFL player again. That's a good thing. So I don't think he played mind games with Bowe but for this discussion I'll say that he did. Can you give me an example of a time Haley played mind games with someone other than Bowe and if so how did that work out?I said before and I'll say it again I thought he used Charles perfectly. In Charles rookie year he got slightly less than 6 touches per game. Haley moved that up to just over 14 in his first full season as coach and than bumped it again to 17 for the 2010 season. So basically he was increasing his usage to were it had to to a level were he was a key part of the gameplan while still being able to keep Charles fresh enough to stay healthy and maintain a gaudy yards per touch. BTW- only once in Mendenhall's career has he averaged more touches per game than what Charles got in the 2010 season so I'd not expect much in the way of a workload reduction for a healthy Mendenhall.Also the 2010 season was the first and only full season that Thomas Jones and Charles played together. While the touches were close it was Charles who got more touches than Jones not the other way. For the majority of the season it was effective attack and of course the Chiefs made the playoffs that season to it's really hard for me to criticize how he chose to utilize Jones and Charles in 2010. While we can never say what Haley's plans were for 2011 in the one full game both backs were healthy Jones got 2 touches and I'm led to guess that if Charles had stayed healthy this season TJ might have been no more than a 3-5 per game touch player. As it was he failed to even get 10 touches per game without no Charles.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It was effective because Jamaal Charles is a freaking stud. 50% Charles + 50% Jones <<<<< 75% Charles + 25% anyone on planet Earth.
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golfguy
Footballguy
i like the hire. the cards had good scoring offense while he was there. he motivated bowe to get back in shape and play hard. he also had a good run offense in KC.
I don't get the hate, I really don't. is this all jamaal charles owners mad that he didn't get 35 touches a game? I think haley will do a good job with the receiving corp. at least we won't have 20 bubble screens from wrs and no rb screens for the next couple of years.
I don't get the hate, I really don't. is this all jamaal charles owners mad that he didn't get 35 touches a game? I think haley will do a good job with the receiving corp. at least we won't have 20 bubble screens from wrs and no rb screens for the next couple of years.
apalmer
Footballguy
And 75% Charles=2011 results.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
That's in interesting position to take, what do you base it on? Here's the data I used to form my opinion:
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Year Week Touches2009 10 22 (not injured)2009 11 19 (not injured)2009 12 17 (not injured)2009 13 19 (not injured)2009 14 27 (not injured)2009 15 27 (not injured)2009 16 27 (not injured)2009 17 26 (not injured) 2010 1 12 (not injured)2010 2 12 (not injured)2010 3 15 (not injured)2010 5 19 (not injured)2010 6 20 (not injured)2010 7 15 (not injured)2010 8 26 (not injured)2010 9 15 (not injured)2010 10 19 (not injured)2010 11 16 (not injured)2010 12 24 (not injured)2010 13 23 (not injured)2010 14 12 (not injured)2010 15 14 (not injured)2010 16 17 (not injured)2010 17 16 (not injured) 2011 1 15 (not injured)2011 2 2 (injured)Tanner9919
Footballguy
I think it's a great hire, it *should* now bring Ben up to 4500 yards, 32+ tds..
who plays what now? Wallace is the #2 ala Boldin and Brown is the #1 ala Fitz , like Haley had it in Az?
both figure to catch a lot of passes !
who plays what now? Wallace is the #2 ala Boldin and Brown is the #1 ala Fitz , like Haley had it in Az?
both figure to catch a lot of passes !
The Hank
Footballguy
Wallace 1ABrown 1BSanders in the slot...They'll probably let go of Hines and Cotch is a FA so they'll be in the market for a #4 WR... (#5 WR is Arnaz Battle, ST captain)
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm not necessarily a believer in Haley as a play-caller, but I think the point made earlier vis-a-vis giving the Steelers management the benefit of the doubt is highly relevant. This is as classy and successful an organization as exists in the NFL, and they've always followed their plan and cared less about the consensus view. The Steelers took their time here, and clearly didn't rush into this decision.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Haley seems like he'd be a tough guy to work with/for but his resume is very good: a Parcells guy with a nice background as an OC and has head coaching experience. From the Rooney/Tomlin perspective I think this hire was much more about accountability...getting the most out of Ben and his young WRs and less about changing the run/pass ratio of the offense.
Golden Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
In essence, the Steelers have 3 head coaches on staff. Tomlin, the undisputed leader, and Haley and Lebeau in niche roles. I really like the hire, and think the Steelers could have a big year in 2012.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
That was terrible luck, JC went out of boudns and ran into the mascot of all people and ripped his knee. 2 games and he was over used?'apalmer said:
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
The Cards actually had a winning record the following season at 10-6 and made the playoffs while Haley went 4-12 with the Chiefs. All of these below average coaches like Haley look good when they get paired up with a great QB like Warner. So now that Haley is paired up with Big Ben, he'll probably do ok again in spite of the fact that he's not a good coach.
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