Tolbert vs. Matthews (1 Viewer)

[FGITLOTR]

Is this the week we finally see what many of us Matthews owners have been waiting for all season? He looked fantastic last week, even if it was against the Chief D, and I expect his solid play to continue. I'm seriously considering starting him over Tolbert this week (PPR) and feel as if he should get around 15-17 touches, making him a decent flex option. For those of you that own both guys, what are you thinking? I don't think it's a great matchup against the SF D, but they are home and obviously need the game. Also, their D has been rock solid as of late and Troy Smith and company should be held in check most of the night, meaning the Chargers are up and can pound the rock.

Thoughts...

 

[shortbow]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

 

[FGITLOTR]

would love to hear your reasoning

 

[ChromeWeasel]

would love to hear your reasoning

Clearly you're a Matthews owner grasping at straws. The only week Matthews has significantly outperformed Tolbert was week 2. That's it. Tolbert is the better fantasy back. He gets the goal line carries and he moves the ball forward. The body of evidence supporting your theory that Matthews will suddenly take over is 0.The NFL plays in real life and teams dont care about your fantasy players. Having a 1-2-3 punch like SD does makes for nice options. Thinking that the team will stop giving carries to their highly productive backs because it's your fantasy playoffs is ridiculous.

 

[T. Bagger]

Is this the week we finally see what many of us Matthews owners have been waiting for all season? He looked fantastic last week, even if it was against the Chief D, and I expect his solid play to continue. I'm seriously considering starting him over Tolbert this week (PPR) and feel as if he should get around 15-17 touches, making him a decent flex option. For those of you that own both guys, what are you thinking? I don't think it's a great matchup against the SF D, but they are home and obviously need the game. Also, their D has been rock solid as of late and Troy Smith and company should be held in check most of the night, meaning the Chargers are up and can pound the rock. Thoughts...

I think that for those people who own both Tolbert and Mathews, that Mathews coming back at this point is a bad thing. With the way Tolbert has performed this year the Chargers are not going to hand the reigns in any significant way to Mathews, but they will surely work him in as they did last week. What you're looking at is a split carry situation (with Sproles thrown in for good measure). The Tolbert/Mathews stat lines were virtually identical, but I think in most goal line situations Tolbert will continue to see the vast majority of those carries, making him the play over Mathews at least until next season. If you own both, I'd still start Tolbert, but I certainly wouldn't be happy about Mathews coming back to hurt Tolberts value now. You can finally see what you've been waiting for next season. For now, his return is not a good thing, particularly if you also own Tolbert.

 

[Brady Gaga]

I own Tolbert but not Mathews and I think that Mathews looked healthy enough and talented enough to make me bench Tobert this week.

I don't think Mathews will get a full load or anything and Tobert certainly deserves to keep his starting job for now but they will likely split carries and of course Sproles will get the 3rd and long snaps.

SD should be ahead throughout this game and they should be able to run the ball a lot but SF's defense could hold the YPC average down for both Tolbert and Mathews so I wouldn't expect a huge game out of either guy.

Tolbert is probably a safe play for about 50 yards and a GL TD.

Mathews is probably a safe bet for 60 - 70 yards and maybe another TD.

But I'm probably gonna bench Tolbert for either Bradshaw vs. PHI or Fred Jackson @ MIA (leaning towards Bradshaw).

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Norv talks a lot about getting Mathews involved more. He actually got the start last week. It could be a command from above Norv's head to get the 1st rounder more involved. This could be a really difficult situation the rest of the year. I own both and may be staying away the next few weeks.

 

[JMJ]

I own both and I'm currently starting Tolbert and probably not going to change unless there is a direct quote from Norv about Mathews getting a larger workload or something this weekend.

If they are going to touch the ball equally (meaning double digit carries each), then I have more confidence in Tolbert to:

A. Score a TD

B. Not fumble and get pulled

C. Not get injured

Tolbert had some early fumbling problems that he has gotten corrected over the past 8 weeks or so. Mathews has been a fumble waiting to happen pretty much any time he has received a decent workload, and equally as much of an injury waiting to happen whenever he has received a decent workload.

 

[FGITLOTR]

would love to hear your reasoning

Clearly you're a Matthews owner grasping at straws. The only week Matthews has significantly outperformed Tolbert was week 2. That's it. Tolbert is the better fantasy back. He gets the goal line carries and he moves the ball forward. The body of evidence supporting your theory that Matthews will suddenly take over is 0.The NFL plays in real life and teams dont care about your fantasy players. Having a 1-2-3 punch like SD does makes for nice options. Thinking that the team will stop giving carries to their highly productive backs because it's your fantasy playoffs is ridiculous.

First off, you need to relax. I never stated that they stop giving carries to anyone. Please, if you have nothing productive to post, refrain from writing anything. In the case you do have something worth posting, or disagree with someone's POV, it would be greatly appreciated if you didn't condescend.I actually own both guys and judging from the other posts in this thread, my question was absolutely legitimate.

 

[T. Bagger]

would love to hear your reasoning

Clearly you're a Matthews owner grasping at straws. The only week Matthews has significantly outperformed Tolbert was week 2. That's it. Tolbert is the better fantasy back. He gets the goal line carries and he moves the ball forward. The body of evidence supporting your theory that Matthews will suddenly take over is 0.The NFL plays in real life and teams dont care about your fantasy players. Having a 1-2-3 punch like SD does makes for nice options. Thinking that the team will stop giving carries to their highly productive backs because it's your fantasy playoffs is ridiculous.

First off, you need to relax. I never stated that they stop giving carries to anyone. Please, if you have nothing productive to post, refrain from writing anything. In the case you do have something worth posting, or disagree with someone's POV, it would be greatly appreciated if you didn't condescend.I actually own both guys and judging from the other posts in this thread, my question was absolutely legitimate.

If Mathews is your only choice or best hope for a usable guy, his coming back is good news and something to be hopeful for and excited about seeing. Since you also own Tolbert, his (Mathews) return to share carries is practically the worst news you could have other than a Tolbert injury. In the OP you seemed happy about the prospect of his return, which in reality takes Tolbert from a must play option to a "cross your fingers and hope for a goal line TD" guy. Bad news. Now you've got two borderline flex guys rather than a solid RB 1.

 

[Jake22]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

 

[Jake22]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Spelling errors are die to me typing on my phone, sorry

 

[CrossEyed]

Was fortunate to snag Matthews off waivers this week. Considering using him at flex in a ppr league. Between him, Dixon, and Obomanu. Leaning toward Matthews at the moment.

 

[Shutout]

The two things I look at optimistically if I'm a Matthews owner (I'm not) is:

1) Part of matthews' problems have been blocking/pass protection. In a game where San Diego should not HAVE to throw a ton if they don't want to, that opens the door to have Matthews on the field more.

2) The goal line use of Tolbert is a legit threat to matthews' production. However, Matthews, if he is truly healthy, is a very legitimate threat to break a long TD run. So, instead of getting to the 5 and having him pulled, he may actually be a guy that breaks a 31 yard TD this week.

I know if you are a Matthews owner, you feel like this is a lost season but if you have survived the storm and are still in the playoffs, I can't think of a better chance at redemption for you IF you don't have a clear better option. Matthews could be the guy that comes in at the tail end and pulls you through (just like Q. Ganther last year, or seemingly every year there is some guy that pops up just long enough to go 100/2 TDs for that one playoff week).

 

[T. Bagger]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Tolbert has also never looked bad in any game he's played. In games where Tolbert was given at least 16 carries, he never produced less than 66 yards and a touchdown. He is not the reason the Chargers lost those early games. I sincerely doubt the Chargers will now move away from a productive backfield by committee just because of Mathews draft slot.

 

[shortbow]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

 

[RedskinsFan]

Sometimes the better player doesn't get the lions share of the carries though. I have Mathews and considered playing him after last week but I'd need to see a 100 yard game before doing that. My hope is that Mathews takes over and is pushed by management since they gave up so much for him and I can start him with confidence next week if I have a next week. If I were pressed I'd start Tolbert over Mathews this week until its shown that the team is rallying around Mathews. But to say that Mathews doesn't take back his lost job this season to me is premature at best. They drafted him for a reason and believe in him, Tolbert on the other hand was an undrafted player. It's in the teams best interest that they win. It's also in the GM's and head coaches best interest that Mathews becomes the player they imagined him to be

 

[Football Jones]

I traded for Mathews in a couple of dynasty leagues because I believe he's going to be a monster (sooner or later). The trades weren't done with this year in mind.

He has the potential to easily finish as a top-5 RB & a PPR stud in 2011, & certainly by 2012, working as the feature back in that offense. No way Tolbert & Sproles hold him off for long, IMO. Give this kid some time. I believe he'll eventually be their GL back as well as their 3rd down back.

Of course, you have to believe in his talent to have that opinion. That's the thing. Time will tell.

 

[Vision6]

pickup up Tolbert in one league, burned a 2nd rounder on Mathews in another.

Tolbert is the guy, Sproles is the 3rd down/spread guy and Mathews gets the scraps

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This past week seems like the future to me (if you see what I mean). Both guys got 16 carries - an even split - and Sproles picked up a handful. So what happens when the Chargers don't run 40 times?

Can see both guys getting 12-15 for the rest of the season. Which is not bad if you own Tolbert - but I don't think he's going to put up the same #s he has for the last several weeks going forward.

 

[Cleat Spike]

Heard on NFLN that Willis and Spikes will be wearing casts on both of their right hands. Def. a slight advantage to SD RBs.

 

[Football Jones]

Just watched Short Cuts. Mathews started the game & got the first few carries (also started the 2nd half). That very well could be a tell-tale sign of what's to come when Mathews gets up to speed. I'm sure they didn't want to overwork him since he hasn't really played in awhile.

They could continue a rough even split, but something tells me they would like to feature Mathews if he's up to it. He's easily their most talented RB, IMO. You get an idea of just how good Mathews could be with some of the runs he made. It'll be interesting to see what happens in these last few games, & especially in the playoffs if they make it.

 

[packersfan]

I thought Mathews looked good last week. I'm going to dust him off tomorrow night and see what he can do.

Unless something goofy happens in the game (i.e. the Chargers having to play from behind) or injury strikes, I could see the Chargers running it 30-35 times with Mathews and Tolbert splitting up the carries.

 

[shortbow]

I traded for Mathews in a couple of dynasty leagues because I believe he's going to be a monster (sooner or later). The trades weren't done with this year in mind. He has the potential to easily finish as a top-5 RB & a PPR stud in 2011, & certainly by 2012, working as the feature back in that offense. No way Tolbert & Sproles hold him off for long, IMO. Give this kid some time. I believe he'll eventually be their GL back as well as their 3rd down back.Of course, you have to believe in his talent to have that opinion. That's the thing. Time will tell.

From a Dynasty perspective where does he fit in if they keep sproles tolbert and mathews? 18 game schedule they will all get play time, Tolbert will get every other possession and all the goal line carries, Sproles gets every third down.

 

[butcher boy]

Neither will do well against the Niner run D.

 

[packersfan]

Neither will do well against the Niner run D.

Is this the same run defense that got pushed around by James Starks two weeks ago and gave up more than 130 yards rushing to Blount and Cadillac a few weeks before that?

 

[Football Jones]

I traded for Mathews in a couple of dynasty leagues because I believe he's going to be a monster (sooner or later). The trades weren't done with this year in mind. He has the potential to easily finish as a top-5 RB & a PPR stud in 2011, & certainly by 2012, working as the feature back in that offense. No way Tolbert & Sproles hold him off for long, IMO. Give this kid some time. I believe he'll eventually be their GL back as well as their 3rd down back.Of course, you have to believe in his talent to have that opinion. That's the thing. Time will tell.

From a Dynasty perspective where does he fit in if they keep sproles tolbert and mathews? 18 game schedule they will all get play time, Tolbert will get every other possession and all the goal line carries, Sproles gets every third down.

That's my point. Tolbert won't get every other series (in the future). Mathews is simply a more talented RB & that will play out in the future, IMO. He's just a rookie, & one who's missed a lot of games, at that. Give him time.Like I said, I believe Mathews will eventually not only be their GL back, but their 3rd down back, as well. However, as I mentioned, you have to believe in him having top-tier talent to hold that opinion. Some people do, some don't.I really think Mathews starting last week might be a hint of what's to come this season, but we'll see. They may very well go with a RBBC the rest of the way, but I do believe Mathews will be their feature back as soon as 2011.

 

[Jake22]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

Obviously you're a Tolbert owner so I'll just leave it at that...I have better things to do than to argue over how a fat, out of shape, undrafted fullback who fumbles at the goal line is so much better than a first round feature RB that was drafted to be just that and has obviously shown that he is worthy of his draft position.

 

[shadyridr]

Just from my own eyes Tolbert > Matthews. Now that could be because Matthews has been banged up all yr but I still think Tolbert is the play the rest of the year.

 

[chook]

would love to hear your reasoning

Clearly you're a Matthews owner grasping at straws. The only week Matthews has significantly outperformed Tolbert was week 2. That's it. Tolbert is the better fantasy back. He gets the goal line carries and he moves the ball forward. The body of evidence supporting your theory that Matthews will suddenly take over is 0.The NFL plays in real life and teams dont care about your fantasy players. Having a 1-2-3 punch like SD does makes for nice options. Thinking that the team will stop giving carries to their highly productive backs because it's your fantasy playoffs is ridiculous.

Calm down turbo. OP had a legit question, and it warrants discussion.I have no horse in this race and gave advice out to friends asking a similar question yesterday, which was essentially saying that Mathews looked great in his return last week and wouldn't be surprised one bit if he put up 100+ and a score or two tomorrow.If the Chargers are going to go anywhere in the playoffs, they'll need him to contribute, meaning he'll want to get some game time prior to then.Man some of you guys need to chill TFO.

 

[basher]

Tolbert and Mathews split touches down the middle last week. If I was a Tolbert owner, I would be a little worried.

 

[cvnpoka]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

man every time i watch i think mathews looks damn good. hes fast and decisive and finds cracks. hes like a rich mans moreno. i dunno, i own neither but for some reason i am drawn to watching charger games. this team fascinates me.

 

[shortbow]

I traded for Mathews in a couple of dynasty leagues because I believe he's going to be a monster (sooner or later). The trades weren't done with this year in mind. He has the potential to easily finish as a top-5 RB & a PPR stud in 2011, & certainly by 2012, working as the feature back in that offense. No way Tolbert & Sproles hold him off for long, IMO. Give this kid some time. I believe he'll eventually be their GL back as well as their 3rd down back.Of course, you have to believe in his talent to have that opinion. That's the thing. Time will tell.

From a Dynasty perspective where does he fit in if they keep sproles tolbert and mathews? 18 game schedule they will all get play time, Tolbert will get every other possession and all the goal line carries, Sproles gets every third down.

That's my point. Tolbert won't get every other series (in the future). Mathews is simply a more talented RB & that will play out in the future, IMO. He's just a rookie, & one who's missed a lot of games, at that. Give him time.Like I said, I believe Mathews will eventually not only be their GL back, but their 3rd down back, as well. However, as I mentioned, you have to believe in him having top-tier talent to hold that opinion. Some people do, some don't.I really think Mathews starting last week might be a hint of what's to come this season, but we'll see. They may very well go with a RBBC the rest of the way, but I do believe Mathews will be their feature back as soon as 2011.

Based off what? This is all speculation, I realize they will give Mathews every chance to be the star they want him to be, but why sit Tolbert? He has performed well and above everyones expectations. Ryan Mathews hype train was too much, he had a bad first year, got injured then couldnt do squat while recovering and being stuck behind a guy who is potentially just a better athlete.

 

[Football Jones]

I traded for Mathews in a couple of dynasty leagues because I believe he's going to be a monster (sooner or later). The trades weren't done with this year in mind. He has the potential to easily finish as a top-5 RB & a PPR stud in 2011, & certainly by 2012, working as the feature back in that offense. No way Tolbert & Sproles hold him off for long, IMO. Give this kid some time. I believe he'll eventually be their GL back as well as their 3rd down back.Of course, you have to believe in his talent to have that opinion. That's the thing. Time will tell.

From a Dynasty perspective where does he fit in if they keep sproles tolbert and mathews? 18 game schedule they will all get play time, Tolbert will get every other possession and all the goal line carries, Sproles gets every third down.

That's my point. Tolbert won't get every other series (in the future). Mathews is simply a more talented RB & that will play out in the future, IMO. He's just a rookie, & one who's missed a lot of games, at that. Give him time.Like I said, I believe Mathews will eventually not only be their GL back, but their 3rd down back, as well. However, as I mentioned, you have to believe in him having top-tier talent to hold that opinion. Some people do, some don't.I really think Mathews starting last week might be a hint of what's to come this season, but we'll see. They may very well go with a RBBC the rest of the way, but I do believe Mathews will be their feature back as soon as 2011.

Based off what? This is all speculation, I realize they will give Mathews every chance to be the star they want him to be, but why sit Tolbert? He has performed well and above everyones expectations. Ryan Mathews hype train was too much, he had a bad first year, got injured then couldnt do squat while recovering and being stuck behind a guy who is potentially just a better athlete.

Of course it's all speculation, but I have to disagree big-time about Tolbert being a better athlete. I believe Mathews is not only a better athlete, but the more talented RB. Regardless, I thought it was interesting they gave the start to Mathews. That very well could be a hint of what's to come. My money is on Mathews getting at least as many touches as Tolbert down the stretch. This week's game will likely give us a bigger clue.No matter what happens this season, I do think Mathews will eventually be a monster FF RB in that offense. Physically, he's the whole package. He needs to improve his pass-blocking, but that'll come. I expect Mathews to be their feature back by 2012, if not sooner.

 

[CA_7]

Mathews YPC has been pretty solid outside of 2 games. His issue is the ankle and pass protection (pretty common for a rookie RB). I can easily top 10 next year if he gets protection down, he has looked great in the few games I have watched.

 

[FGITLOTR]

I have both guys and since I'm playing a better team in the playoffs this week, I'm going to roll the dice with Matthews and swing for the fences! I think the fact that he started last week and looked fantastic, will translate to him getting a decent amount of touches this week. With Spikes and Willis banged up, and the fact that the 49er D is not great on the road, this could turn out to be a big game for the Charger running game.

 

[CrossEyed]

So would you guys say Matthews is a fairly safe flex play this week in ppr?

 

[Tat]

So would you guys say Matthews is a fairly safe flex play this week in ppr?

I'm starting him, as I seethis game notbeing close in the 4th qtr, and hopefully Mathews will get a bulk of the carries in the 2nd half.

 

[Man In The Box]

I'm starting Mathews in my flex (.5 PPR) with semi-confidence. I liked what I saw last week and I consider myself an underdog in my match-up. I think he offers me the most upside considering my other options (Best, Westbrook, Harvin, Crabtree, L. Moore).

I also like having a guy or two in a prime-time game, although this should not affect your reasoning. I reached in the 2nd round to draft him and held on to him all season. Picked up and dropped Tolbert (ouch) along the way. Might as well roll him out there.

 

[JMJ]

I own both and I'm currently starting Tolbert and probably not going to change unless there is a direct quote from Norv about Mathews getting a larger workload or something this weekend.If they are going to touch the ball equally (meaning double digit carries each), then I have more confidence in Tolbert to:A. Score a TDB. Not fumble and get pulledC. Not get injuredTolbert had some early fumbling problems that he has gotten corrected over the past 8 weeks or so. Mathews has been a fumble waiting to happen pretty much any time he has received a decent workload, and equally as much of an injury waiting to happen whenever he has received a decent workload.

Despite all the love Mathews is getting in this thread I am still rolling Tolbert out there in front of him tonight for the reasons in my post above.Good luck to all fellow Tolbert/Mathews owners.

 

[Timmay]

I am rolling with Tolbert tonight as well, nervous as can be. I am just hoping he at least puts up double digits.

 

[nickdiesel]

own them both and have tolbert going in the rb 2 spot for now, but yeah no offense to ryan mathews (so dont jinx me fantasy gods) but I really wish from the fantasy standpoint matthews had stayed injured.

 

[Angus82]

I own both and I'm currently starting Tolbert and probably not going to change unless there is a direct quote from Norv about Mathews getting a larger workload or something this weekend.If they are going to touch the ball equally (meaning double digit carries each), then I have more confidence in Tolbert to:A. Score a TDB. Not fumble and get pulledC. Not get injuredTolbert had some early fumbling problems that he has gotten corrected over the past 8 weeks or so. Mathews has been a fumble waiting to happen pretty much any time he has received a decent workload, and equally as much of an injury waiting to happen whenever he has received a decent workload.

Despite all the love Mathews is getting in this thread I am still rolling Tolbert out there in front of him tonight for the reasons in my post above.Good luck to all fellow Tolbert/Mathews owners.

My own 2 cents. The Chargers have made it to this point without Ryan and I think that Tolbert will still be the guy. As a disclaimer, I am a VERY bitter former Matthews owner.

 

[CrossEyed]

My own 2 cents. The Chargers have made it to this point without Ryan and I think that Tolbert will still be the guy. As a disclaimer, I am a VERY bitter former Matthews owner.

The point of being 7-6 and fighting for their playoff lives?

 

[Dought Man]

The Chargers brass do not trust Matthews yet. Tolbert will get 20 carries tonight, especially if the game is within 14 points throughout. Tolbert goes for 128/2 tonight, easily. Start him with confidence.

 

[imagroid]

The Chargers brass do not trust Matthews yet. Tolbert will get 20 carries tonight, especially if the game is within 14 points throughout. Tolbert goes for 128/2 tonight, easily. Start him with confidence.

 

[Dizzy]

I have both guys and since I'm playing a better team in the playoffs this week, I'm going to roll the dice with Matthews and swing for the fences! I think the fact that he started last week and looked fantastic, will translate to him getting a decent amount of touches this week. With Spikes and Willis banged up, and the fact that the 49er D is not great on the road, this could turn out to be a big game for the Charger running game.

I like this... sound reasoning. You know what Tolbert's ceiling is, but Matthews is the wild card... if you think you need a big game from a RB to win, then I would do exactly the same thing. If you need steady work (but low output) then Tolbert is the safer pick... but if you need a HR - as you say - Matthews may be your best shot.

Good luck tonight.

 

[fourd]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

Obviously you're a Tolbert owner so I'll just leave it at that...I have better things to do than to argue over how a fat, out of shape, undrafted fullback who fumbles at the goal line is so much better than a first round feature RB that was drafted to be just that and has obviously shown that he is worthy of his draft position.

When exactly has he done that?

 

[shortbow]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

Obviously you're a Tolbert owner so I'll just leave it at that...I have better things to do than to argue over how a fat, out of shape, undrafted fullback who fumbles at the goal line is so much better than a first round feature RB that was drafted to be just that and has obviously shown that he is worthy of his draft position.

When exactly has he done that?

He hasnt lol, Tolbert has been a spitting image of Michael Turner this year and the reason he hasnt been getting the proper respect is because of the hurrderp Mathews owners that took him in the first round that every week try to make an excuse for why he will be the back in SD. He will be the back at some point, probably not next year and definitely not this year. Its obvious the Chargers want Mathews to be worth his draft pick and want Tolbert to be a great change of pace back but it didnt work out that way.Threads lacking stats:

Tolbert:

Attempts - 161

Avg YPC - 4.3

Touchdowns - 10

Fumbles - 3

Games played - 13 (limited in 4 games, TD in 3 of those games limited to 3 carries or less.)

Positional Rank - 19th

Mathews:

Attempts - 103

Avg YPC - 4.3

Touchdowns - 3

Fumbles - 3

Games played - 9 (outright missed 4 games due to injury)

Positional Rank - 47

 

[Cheesedawg]

No, they will give him a shot again this week I just dont see him beating out tolbert.

They were losing games with Tolbert as the lead RB, soyou would think that there should be a change now that Matures is healthy, and Mathews has never looked bad on any game he has played in, he just never got the carries that Tolbert has..give Mathews those carries and he will product bigtime, that's why he was drafted were he was.

Mathews has looked bad in every game but the last one... Tolbert wasnt losing them games, he was allowing Rivers to do what he does, if you think Mathews will beat out Tolbert this year, arguably one of the most successful backs this year for a rookie who cant hold on to the ball or get any kind of yards your crazy.

Obviously you're a Tolbert owner so I'll just leave it at that...I have better things to do than to argue over how a fat, out of shape, undrafted fullback who fumbles at the goal line is so much better than a first round feature RB that was drafted to be just that and has obviously shown that he is worthy of his draft position.

LMAO...Jake, you are completely clueless about Matthews. Have you watched any of the SD games this year? Sounds to me like you passed on Tolbert after spending your first round choice on Matthews and are bursting with bitterness.Last week was the only time Matthews has even flashed any ability at all. He has been a complete bust in both the NFL and in FF.

I suspect one reason Matthews got extra carries last week is that they had a short week coming up to tonight's game and wanted to keep everybody fresh. I would expect the carries to be roughly split but Tolbert to get the GL touches. Based on his pro experience to this point, Matthews is quite likely to get injured or fumble and become a non-factor again.