Tom Brady: Complications from Knee Surgery (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

While apparently this is somewhat common, it still bears watching as infections can become serious problems if they don't go away . .

Brady had 2nd surgeryProcedure needed for knee infectionBy Mike Reiss Globe Staff / October 17, 2008 Patriots quarterback Tom Brady underwent a second procedure on his injured left knee Wednesday to clear out an infection, according to a source close to Brady on the West Coast.Brady had surgery Oct. 6 at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles. Doctors said the procedure went well, but Brady began to feel ill this week because of the infection.While he has not seen Brady's injury, Dr. Nicholas DiNubile - a knee specialist and spokesman for the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons - said an infection must be aggressively treated and monitored. He noted there are different types of infections, with different degrees of severity, and some are more easily managed than others."This can happen to anyone having a surgery, but it's a relatively rare occurrence after knee procedures," DiNubile said. "The earlier you recognize and treat it - that's surgery and antibiotics - the less likely you're going to have problems down the line. The best-case scenario is that they got it early, and if everything goes right, he would be back at the same time as was expected."Brady's initial surgery came 29 days after he was injured in the Patriots' season opener against the Kansas City Chiefs on a hit by safety Bernard Pollard. Multiple sources told the Globe Brady tore the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his knee.In cases similar to Brady's, doctors often wait for the MCL to heal before reconstructing the ACL, usually a time frame of about 4-6 weeks. So Brady's initial surgery was closer to the early side.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

You have to be careful with this stuff; you never know where those supermodels have been....

 

[joffer]

what are these surgeons sterilizing their instruments in......pond water?

 

[AnonymousBob]

While apparently this is somewhat common, it still bears watcing as infections can become serious problems if they don't go away . .

"This can happen to anyone having a surgery, but it's a relatively rare occurrence after knee procedures," DiNubile said. "The earlier you recognize and treat it - that's surgery and antibiotics - the less likely you're going to have problems down the line. The best-case scenario is that they got it early, and if everything goes right, he would be back at the same time as was expected."

 

[David Yudkin]

I have also heard that Brady has been tooling around in a wheelchair and crutches and no is no longer walking (which he was shortly after the first surgery). He's been going to the doctor daily to have his wound cleaned out and he still has not been sewn up again (common practice to treating an infection). They were talking about this on the radio today and if he continues to have problems it could very easily prolong how long he is out and would impede his recovery. They did not specify or speculate beyond that other than it needs to be monitored thoroughly or it could balloon iinto something serious.

 

[Ozymandias]

While apparently this is somewhat common, it still bears watcing as infections can become serious problems if they don't go away . .

"This can happen to anyone having a surgery, but it's a relatively rare occurrence after knee procedures," DiNubile said. "The earlier you recognize and treat it - that's surgery and antibiotics - the less likely you're going to have problems down the line. The best-case scenario is that they got it early, and if everything goes right, he would be back at the same time as was expected."

I wonder if they forgot to take the sponge out?

 

[buck naked]

Where was his operation, at the Browns' facility?

 

[Sweet Love]

what are these surgeons sterilizing their instruments in......pond water?

I was just about to say the same thing (well, not the pond water part). These doctors that operate on athletes are supposed to be the best of the best and I am just fascinated by the fact that this seems to be constantly happening. I know 15+ people that had knee surgeries in the past (myself included), and not one had an infection afterwards.

 

[Lash]

Dr. Nicholas DiNubile

what a cool last name!

 

[joffer]

what are these surgeons sterilizing their instruments in......pond water?

I was just about to say the same thing (well, not the pond water part). These doctors that operate on athletes are supposed to be the best of the best and I am just fascinated by the fact that this seems to be constantly happening. I know 15+ people that had knee surgeries in the past (myself included), and not one had an infection afterwards.

maybe they should check for junior mint

 

[amnesiac]

hopefully this isn't a big deal, but this did not turn out well for LeCharles Bentley or Joe Jurevicious.

and while i've long blamed the hospitals, the more i've looked into it, it seems like it's more likely these players are contracting the infections at their own training facilities.

eta: it doesn't look like they have said what kind of infection Brady has. the two i mentioned were staph infections.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Greg Lloyd

 

[thehornet]

it's actually more common these days to have cleanup/infection type surgeries. Im not aying it's good or even normal, but iwouldnt stress too much about it right now. Also, with ligament injuries, the doctors want you walking as soon as possible, bending and moving. Unlike a broken bone that shouldnt be moved. I wouldnt get to worried about this unless it continues to linger and it stunts his rehab assignements.

 

[jonboltz]

hopefully this isn't a big deal, but this did not turn out well for LeCharles Bentley or Joe Jurevicious.and while i've long blamed the hospitals, the more i've looked into it, it seems like it's more likely these players are contracting the infections at their own training facilities.eta: it doesn't look like they have said what kind of infection Brady has. the two i mentioned were staph infections.

Knee infections resulting after surgery are almost always caused during the surgery. GF had one just this summer and is still recovering so I've done quite a bit of research on this.The "different types" of infections is probably related to the specific bacteria and what types of antibiotics are needed. I.e., some bacteria are Gram-negative and some are Gram-positive, described by their resistance to certain types of drugs.

 

[Howie]

Knee infections resulting after surgery are almost always caused during the surgery. GF had one just this summer and is still recovering so I've done quite a bit of research on this.The "different types" of infections is probably related to the specific bacteria and what types of antibiotics are needed. I.e., some bacteria are Gram-negative and some are Gram-positive, described by their resistance to certain types of drugs.

Sorry to hear about your GF's complications and hope she makes a full recovery. I underwent ACL reconstruction two years ago and didn't even consider this as I assessed the types of procedures available, etc. I can only imagine how a painful and arduous rehab might have been complicated by a pesky infection settling in...

 

[brady2moss]

"Are you kidding me? These LA doctors let Tom Brady's knee get infected? ! What kind of quacks did they get to perform the surgery? Medievel barbers? Didn't they wash their instruments first or did they just cut him open with stone knives and clean out the wound with leeches? And what's with this Dr. DiNubile saying "this happen to anyone"? Since when is Football Jesus just "anyone"? That is the most important knee in the universe getting reopened there and I want the little infection happy bastards who did this caught and hung up by their Buster Browns! It's an outrage!

They never should've let the surgery be done outside of New England. It's like sending the President of the United States to North Korea to be operated on. I'm demanding an investigation right be done right now into the Dr. Mengele's who did the surgery. I guarantee it'll turn out they're Chargers fans or Raiders season ticket holders or something. Or worse, Bridget infected his blood somehow just out of jealousy and spite. She's out in LA still, right? It's too bad the Boston area doesn't have some decent hospitals so we wouldn't have to keep sending our most important citizens into enemy territory to get their medical care."

-el pres

 

[IM666]

Dr. Nicholas DiNubile

Hello Dr. Nick!

 

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They never should've let the surgery be done outside of New England. It's like sending the President of the United States to North Korea to be operated on. I'm demanding an investigation right be done right now into the Dr. Mengele's who did the surgery. I guarantee it'll turn out they're Chargers fans or Raiders season ticket holders or something. Or worse, Bridget infected his blood somehow just out of jealousy and spite. She's out in LA still, right? It's too bad the Boston area doesn't have some decent hospitals so we wouldn't have to keep sending our most important citizens into enemy territory to get their medical care."

I hope this is a joke

 

[MAC_32]

"Are you kidding me? These LA doctors let Tom Brady's knee get infected? ! What kind of quacks did they get to perform the surgery? Medievel barbers? Didn't they wash their instruments first or did they just cut him open with stone knives and clean out the wound with leeches? And what's with this Dr. DiNubile saying "this happen to anyone"? Since when is Football Jesus just "anyone"? That is the most important knee in the universe getting reopened there and I want the little infection happy bastards who did this caught and hung up by their Buster Browns! It's an outrage! They never should've let the surgery be done outside of New England. It's like sending the President of the United States to North Korea to be operated on. I'm demanding an investigation right be done right now into the Dr. Mengele's who did the surgery. I guarantee it'll turn out they're Chargers fans or Raiders season ticket holders or something. Or worse, Bridget infected his blood somehow just out of jealousy and spite. She's out in LA still, right? It's too bad the Boston area doesn't have some decent hospitals so we wouldn't have to keep sending our most important citizens into enemy territory to get their medical care."-el pres

Seek help, then get a clue. Mmkthankyoubye...

 

[brady2moss]

"Are you kidding me? These LA doctors let Tom Brady's knee get infected? ! What kind of quacks did they get to perform the surgery? Medievel barbers? Didn't they wash their instruments first or did they just cut him open with stone knives and clean out the wound with leeches? And what's with this Dr. DiNubile saying "this happen to anyone"? Since when is Football Jesus just "anyone"? That is the most important knee in the universe getting reopened there and I want the little infection happy bastards who did this caught and hung up by their Buster Browns! It's an outrage! They never should've let the surgery be done outside of New England. It's like sending the President of the United States to North Korea to be operated on. I'm demanding an investigation right be done right now into the Dr. Mengele's who did the surgery. I guarantee it'll turn out they're Chargers fans or Raiders season ticket holders or something. Or worse, Bridget infected his blood somehow just out of jealousy and spite. She's out in LA still, right? It's too bad the Boston area doesn't have some decent hospitals so we wouldn't have to keep sending our most important citizens into enemy territory to get their medical care."-el pres

Seek help, then get a clue. Mmkthankyoubye...

I need the smiley face with the woosh going over it's head. this was a total joke..... mmmmkay

 

[MAC_32]

"Are you kidding me? These LA doctors let Tom Brady's knee get infected? ! What kind of quacks did they get to perform the surgery? Medievel barbers? Didn't they wash their instruments first or did they just cut him open with stone knives and clean out the wound with leeches? And what's with this Dr. DiNubile saying "this happen to anyone"? Since when is Football Jesus just "anyone"? That is the most important knee in the universe getting reopened there and I want the little infection happy bastards who did this caught and hung up by their Buster Browns! It's an outrage!

They never should've let the surgery be done outside of New England. It's like sending the President of the United States to North Korea to be operated on. I'm demanding an investigation right be done right now into the Dr. Mengele's who did the surgery. I guarantee it'll turn out they're Chargers fans or Raiders season ticket holders or something. Or worse, Bridget infected his blood somehow just out of jealousy and spite. She's out in LA still, right? It's too bad the Boston area doesn't have some decent hospitals so we wouldn't have to keep sending our most important citizens into enemy territory to get their medical care."

-el pres

Seek help, then get a clue. Mmkthankyoubye...

I need the smiley face with the woosh going over it's head. this was a total joke..... mmmmkay

I stand corrected, I was afraid you were one of those Patriot fans

 

[T Bell]

what are these surgeons sterilizing their instruments in......pond water?

Cleveland actually.

 

[T Bell]

Brett Favre called Brady this morning and cured his gangrene. He's now listed as Probable for Sunday.

 

[davidwb]

Favre would cut his leg off above the knee if it meant he could play the next week.

(and I hope a smiley face, etc, isn't really necessary for this post. I'm not a Brett fanboy.)

 

[cvnpoka]

I have also heard that Brady has been tooling around in a wheelchair and crutches and no is no longer walking (which he was shortly after the first surgery). He's been going to the doctor daily to have his wound cleaned out and he still has not been sewn up again (common practice to treating an infection). They were talking about this on the radio today and if he continues to have problems it could very easily prolong how long he is out and would impede his recovery. They did not specify or speculate beyond that other than it needs to be monitored thoroughly or it could balloon iinto something serious.

shouldnt walk for at least 4 weeks after acl surgery. actually doctors will proly say 6-8. i was kinda walking after 4 bc, well, crutches suck.so ya, being in a wheel chair is standard.

 

[moderated]

In before someone mentions he should have had it done by Dr. Andrews.

 

[Howie]

shouldnt walk for at least 4 weeks after acl surgery. actually doctors will proly say 6-8. i was kinda walking after 4 bc, well, crutches suck.so ya, being in a wheel chair is standard.

When did you have your surgery, 30 years ago? Things have changed on the rehab front since then... and keeping the leg immobile for the length of time you suggest is atypical.

 

[Ksquared]

(Not being a PT, I hope I am not stating things incorrectly, but these have been my observations regarding ACL injuires) Being a HS girls basketball coach, I have seen the progression/changes in rebab for ACLs first hand. Either a player(s) in our program or someone locally I know well has torn an ACL each of the last six years. In the last three years most have been walking within a week of surgery. Those that are not allowed to weight bear early are always the ones that had some cartilage damage. With some of the methods to repair cartilage, they can't put weight on the knee for some time.

Does this mean Brady had some cartilage repaired? Did the infection affect the cartilage? I would love to have a PT that deals with this chime in. Where is JAA's wife when we need her?

 

[comfortably numb]

Brett Favre called Brady this morning and cured his gangrene. He's now listed as Probable for Sunday.

 

[RenegadeGM]

In before someone mentions he should have had it done by Dr. Erin Andrews.

fixed

 

[phthalatemagic]

I asked about this in the other thread where you prompted questions on Patriots, but apparently you wanted to make a new thread about it.

 

[RudeDog]

what are these surgeons sterilizing their instruments in......pond water?

Unfortunately the widespread and often unnecessary use of antibiotocs has produced a number of new "super" viral agents that are difficult to prevent or deal with.On rare occasions these types of post-operative infections are fatal due to the agent being tolerant to all types of antibiotics. I believe a poster here earlier this week lost a league mate to a post-operative infection on his knee.

 

[Freeway Ricky-Ross]

This is a "big" deal. Infections do occur but not too frequently. I think that it is dependent upon the ACL graft chosen in many cases.

I do not know (don't think it has been published) what graft Brady got.

My hunch though is that it was from a cadaver (dead person) because that would cut down on recovery and make rehab easier.

I also think that because there is an infection. Cadaver grafts carry more risk of host rejection.

The fact that Brady is this high profile and it still occured is going to cause a veritable hmmm-storm to come down on the rep. of the Orth. Surgeon.

It's shocking really.

If anyone has confirmation of the initial graft Brady recieved....please add.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is a "big" deal. Infections do occur but not too frequently. I think that it is dependent upon the ACL graft chosen in many cases.

I do not know (don't think it has been published) what graft Brady got.

My hunch though is that it was from a cadaver (dead person) because that would cut down on recovery and make rehab easier.

I also think that because there is an infection. Cadaver grafts carry more risk of host rejection.

The fact that Brady is this high profile and it still occured is going to cause a veritable hmmm-storm to come down on the rep. of the Orth. Surgeon.

It's shocking really.

If anyone has confirmation of the initial graft Brady recieved....please add.

I really doubt it. The leading place to catch a staph infection is in a hospital. It happens in every hospital every day and is getting closer to epidemic proportions as they become more resistant to overused antibiotics. Staph is everywhere and everyone today probably came in contact with it somewhere. As they are so prevalent I am sure there's a reason that every patient doesn't get dosed with the ab that works against MRSA (the staph that is really resistant), although probably it's to keep the ab use down so it doesn't get resistant to the few doses that work. The other best places to get it are gyms, nursing homes, prisons and the Disney lot.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Kind of funny that we hear this out of the Pats the same week the colts come out with having hidden the same thing on Peyton for 3 months.

It's like the twilight zone...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

This is a "big" deal. Infections do occur but not too frequently. I think that it is dependent upon the ACL graft chosen in many cases.

I do not know (don't think it has been published) what graft Brady got.

My hunch though is that it was from a cadaver (dead person) because that would cut down on recovery and make rehab easier.

I also think that because there is an infection. Cadaver grafts carry more risk of host rejection.

The fact that Brady is this high profile and it still occured is going to cause a veritable hmmm-storm to come down on the rep. of the Orth. Surgeon.

It's shocking really.

If anyone has confirmation of the initial graft Brady recieved....please add.

I really doubt it. The leading place to catch a staph infection is in a hospital. It happens in every hospital every day and is getting closer to epidemic proportions as they become more resistant to overused antibiotics. Staph is everywhere and everyone today probably came in contact with it somewhere. As they are so prevalent I am sure there's a reason that every patient doesn't get dosed with the ab that works against MRSA (the staph that is really resistant), although probably it's to keep the ab use down so it doesn't get resistant to the few doses that work. The other best places to get it are gyms, nursing homes, prisons and the Disney lot.

lol. There are only a few antibiotics that people can use. That's why doctors don't want you taking unprescribed antibiotics, as yo may unwittingly make the disease resistant too it by taking them improperly.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is a "big" deal. Infections do occur but not too frequently. I think that it is dependent upon the ACL graft chosen in many cases.

I do not know (don't think it has been published) what graft Brady got.

My hunch though is that it was from a cadaver (dead person) because that would cut down on recovery and make rehab easier.

I also think that because there is an infection. Cadaver grafts carry more risk of host rejection.

The fact that Brady is this high profile and it still occured is going to cause a veritable hmmm-storm to come down on the rep. of the Orth. Surgeon.

It's shocking really.

If anyone has confirmation of the initial graft Brady recieved....please add.

I really doubt it. The leading place to catch a staph infection is in a hospital. It happens in every hospital every day and is getting closer to epidemic proportions as they become more resistant to overused antibiotics. Staph is everywhere and everyone today probably came in contact with it somewhere. As they are so prevalent I am sure there's a reason that every patient doesn't get dosed with the ab that works against MRSA (the staph that is really resistant), although probably it's to keep the ab use down so it doesn't get resistant to the few doses that work.

The other best places to get it are gyms, nursing homes, prisons and the Disney lot.

lol. There are only a few antibiotics that people can use. That's why doctors don't want you taking unprescribed antibiotics, as yo may unwittingly make the disease resistant too it by taking them improperly.

That's pretty much exactly what I said there.