Tom Brady will never join Montana and Bradshaw... (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

as QB's to never lose a SB.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

 

[Jason Wood]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

 

[cstu]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

 

[cstu]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

Worse than Jeff Hostetler's too.

 

[5Rings]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81. I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.And I agree--Bradshaw was never in the "greatest ever" conversation. I'd take Brady over Terry every day of the week.

 

[Das Boot]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

It's not gloating, it's relief that Belichicks' cheating, run-the-score-up team didn't become known as the best team ever.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

It's not gloating, it's relief that Belichicks' cheating, run-the-score-up team didn't become known as the best team ever.

Good point.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81.

I don't think Elway belongs on that list. He carried teams that didn't deserve on his back to Super Bowls.

 

[Liquid Tension]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81. I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.And I agree--Bradshaw was never in the "greatest ever" conversation. I'd take Brady over Terry every day of the week.

I think people overreact to winning or losing a SB. Brady IS a great QB and to radically change your opinion is not prudent IMO. If Plax somehow dropped the pass from Eli, people would have probably said, "the difference in the game was Brady driving down for a TD and Eli not being able to so the better QB won. Eli is not an elite QB and is not in Brady's league, ,but Eli is an above average QB who is tough as nails. BTW, this is my same argument I used when everyone was throwing Eli under the bus. Eli is about he 10 best QB, but the team did a great job.

 

[ceo3west]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

 

[CrossEyed]

I think people are underestimating the fact that Bradshaw called his own plays. The guy was basically a QB/OC. Not suggesting he's the best all-time, but I do think he's in the conversation.

 

[5Rings]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81.

I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.

And I agree--Bradshaw was never in the "greatest ever" conversation. I'd take Brady over Terry every day of the week.

I think people overreact to winning or losing a SB. Brady IS a great QB and to radically change your opinion is not prudent IMO. If Plax somehow dropped the pass from Eli, people would have probably said, "the difference in the game was Brady driving down for a TD and Eli not being able to so the better QB won. Eli is not an elite QB and is not in Brady's league, ,but Eli is an above average QB who is tough as nails. BTW, this is my same argument I used when everyone was throwing Eli under the bus. Eli is about he 10 best QB, but the team did a great job.

I'm a Brady fan. I've known the dude since he was born, know his entire family, class people. My opinion of him didn't change one bit today; I think he's one of the greatest ever, but not in the class of what I think is the holy trio--Graham, Unitas, Montana.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Tom Brady could throw 50 INTs next year, be at the helm for three straight 2-14 seasons and throw his helmet at a cheerleader in his final game as a pro....and he'd still go to the Hall of Fame. He deserves to be in just about any conversation involving Bradshaw, montan or whoever else you want to mention.

I'm not a Pats fan, but come on.

 

[HellToupee]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

It's not gloating, it's relief that Belichicks' cheating, run-the-score-up team didn't become known as the best team ever.

I still don't get the "run up the score" bit . Its not Pop Warner

 

[nashua55]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81.

I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.

And I agree--Bradshaw was never in the "greatest ever" conversation. I'd take Brady over Terry every day of the week.

I think people overreact to winning or losing a SB. Brady IS a great QB and to radically change your opinion is not prudent IMO. If Plax somehow dropped the pass from Eli, people would have probably said, "the difference in the game was Brady driving down for a TD and Eli not being able to so the better QB won. Eli is not an elite QB and is not in Brady's league, ,but Eli is an above average QB who is tough as nails. BTW, this is my same argument I used when everyone was throwing Eli under the bus. Eli is about he 10 best QB, but the team did a great job.

I'm a Brady fan. I've known the dude since he was born, know his entire family, class people. My opinion of him didn't change one bit today; I think he's one of the greatest ever, but not in the class of what I think is the holy trio--Graham, Unitas, Montana.

Did you ever see Otto Graham play? or even Unitas? I am just curious, because I never saw either of them play and I have would have no idea how to comment about there play. I understand your opinion on the greatness of Montana , but I believe Brady is in his class, and I think the facts would support that argument.

 

[Das Boot]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

It's not gloating, it's relief that Belichicks' cheating, run-the-score-up team didn't become known as the best team ever.

I still don't get the "run up the score" bit . Its not Pop Warner

I guess we differ on the definition of class when a game has already been decided.

 

[weasel3515]

I think people are underestimating the fact that Bradshaw called his own plays. The guy was basically a QB/OC. Not suggesting he's the best all-time, but I do think he's in the conversation.

Great point. And for those espousing Brady to the HOF...he is a product of Belicheat's system that throws the ball 80% of the time. Brady is good, maybe, MAYBE even HOF material, but he was exposed tonight. He will NOT be mentioned in the same class with Bradshaw who NEVER lost a Super Bowl. Period.

 

[SSOG]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I think it puts Montana back in the "generally accepted best QB ever" driver's seat, but only because people put far too much weight on a 4-game sample size.

But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win... I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.

Wait, wait, WAIT... Otto Graham didn't need great players around him to win? Huh? What did he ever do when he wasn't surrounded by multiple HoF teammates playing in an offensive system that was decades ahead of its time? And Montana doesn't get any credit for playing for one of the two greatest coaches in NFL history (along with Paul Brown, Graham's coach)?

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

Sure he could have. Lots of QBs could have. The passrush was fierce, but Brady played very poorly today. He missed a lot of wide-open receivers, made some poor decisions, and made some bad reads. This was probably one of the worst games he played all season, passrush or no passrush.

 

[infantsam]

I can only assume that if you think Bradshaw was not a great QB then you were not watching fb in the 70's.

The packers/steelers/niners/cowboys/pats - rules were changed as a result. QB/head coach/def captain are those that make that happen.

you fail

and btw -

Bradshaw was not the best at anything - but he was very very good at all of it

He could throw - run - call plays - lead the team - get hurt and play -you name it.

He was one of the best at WINNING THE GAME. Regardless of the talent.

 

[Spartans Rule]

When Tom Brady's team loses before the Super Bowl for two straight years, in part because of mistakes he made, no one says jack about it tarnishing his legacy.

But when he throws 50 TD passes, gets his team to 18-0 and into the Super Bowl, and THEN loses... well, now he just totally fell out of Montana and Bradshaw's league, because he lost a Super Bowl.

That's unbelievably moronic.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Neve say never! If anyone can do it Brady can!

 

[KingEl]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

You don't think the teams Montana beat came at him with everything they had! If you ever watched Montana- his movement and escapability were some of his biggest assets.. Even his rushing stats in playoff/Super Bowls is very good... He was well equipped to avoid that type of rush

 

[freelander]

I really hope to see a new NFL Network Diner commerical out of this... with Joe behind the counter and Pats fan being typical Pats fan...

 

[Godsbrother]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

He was under a lot of pressure but I've seen other QBs have better games under just as much pressure.The Patriots gave up on their running game too early and put the game in the hands of Brady. Brady is just not used to getting that kind of pressure.He is a great QB but he looked pretty ordinary last night.

 

[poopdawg]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

Worse than Jeff Hostetler's too.

And Doug Williams......

 

[thecatch]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

You don't think the teams Montana beat came at him with everything they had! If you ever watched Montana- his movement and escapability were some of his biggest assets.. Even his rushing stats in playoff/Super Bowls is very good... He was well equipped to avoid that type of rush

Montana was clearly a lot more mobile than Brady, there shouldn't be a lot of debate about that.There are clearly better regular season QB's than Montana, especially statistically, but his greatness was derived from what he did in the playoffs. Brady throwing 50 TDs and then having a medicore postseason doesn't do anything to chip away at the heart of Montana's legacy.

 

[Mustang Man]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Give us one day to gloat.

Lord knows the Pats would have been gloating allot longer then we as Pats haters will. Just eat it Pats!!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

You don't think the teams Montana beat came at him with everything they had! If you ever watched Montana- his movement and escapability were some of his biggest assets.. Even his rushing stats in playoff/Super Bowls is very good... He was well equipped to avoid that type of rush

Montana was clearly a lot more mobile than Brady, there shouldn't be a lot of debate about that.There are clearly better regular season QB's than Montana, especially statistically, but his greatness was derived from what he did in the playoffs. Brady throwing 50 TDs and then having a medicore postseason doesn't do anything to chip away at the heart of Montana's legacy.

This reminds me of someone... can't remember his name. Always called a choker in big games.

 

[Mustang Man]

Tom Brady is still in that conversation. If he never wins another Super Bowl Montana will be #1 without question but Brady is not done. I would not count him out yet. I just love the fact that he lost in the "BIGGEST GAME OF HAS CAREER" LOL.

 

[redman]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Oh c'mon, we're not running up the gloating! We're just gloating to stay sharp for the next team that loses!

 

[Godsbrother]

Tom Brady is still in that conversation. If he never wins another Super Bowl Montana will be #1 without question but Brady is not done. I would not count him out yet.

True. But no matter what he does in the future he'll never be undefeated in the Super Bowl.

 

[CrossEyed]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Oh c'mon, we're not running up the gloating! We're just gloating to stay sharp for the next team that loses!

Exactly. This isn't little league, this is the Shark PoolTM

 

[redman]

I have to admit this is getting old now.

Oh c'mon, we're not running up the gloating! We're just gloating to stay sharp for the next team that loses!

Exactly. This isn't little league, this is the Shark PoolTM

It's up for the Patriots fans to stop us from gloating.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Also another errant apostrophe by the thread starter. This is becoming epidemic.

 

[redman]

Also another errant apostrophe by the thread starter. This is becoming epidemic.

In "QB's"? That's a proper way to pluralize it.

 

[massraider]

Brady the best QB ever? How many game-winning TD drives has he led? Two? Three?

He sure looks good when he doesn't get touched, and the breaks are going their way, that's for sure. But he's gonna need a few more heroic come-from-behind wins to be in that discussion. JMO.

 

[Koya]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I like Brady. He's a great QB.But he belongs with Elway / Steve Young / Bradshaw as guys who need great players around him to win. Its not a negative; not many guys can elevate their entire teams performance like, say, Montana in 81.

I'd still put him around (debatable) #5 all-time behind Montana, Graham, Unitas, and Favre.

And I agree--Bradshaw was never in the "greatest ever" conversation. I'd take Brady over Terry every day of the week.

I think people overreact to winning or losing a SB. Brady IS a great QB and to radically change your opinion is not prudent IMO. If Plax somehow dropped the pass from Eli, people would have probably said, "the difference in the game was Brady driving down for a TD and Eli not being able to so the better QB won. Eli is not an elite QB and is not in Brady's league, ,but Eli is an above average QB who is tough as nails. BTW, this is my same argument I used when everyone was throwing Eli under the bus. Eli is about he 10 best QB, but the team did a great job.

I'm a Brady fan. I've known the dude since he was born, know his entire family, class people. My opinion of him didn't change one bit today; I think he's one of the greatest ever, but not in the class of what I think is the holy trio--Graham, Unitas, Montana.

Did you ever see Otto Graham play? or even Unitas? I am just curious, because I never saw either of them play and I have would have no idea how to comment about there play. I understand your opinion on the greatness of Montana , but I believe Brady is in his class, and I think the facts would support that argument.

I never saw Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb play. Im pretty comfortable putting them up in the top 5 ballplayers ever.

 

[KingEl]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

This is ridiculous to me. Even Montana couldn't have pulled this game out against that pass rush.

You don't think the teams Montana beat came at him with everything they had! If you ever watched Montana- his movement and escapability were some of his biggest assets.. Even his rushing stats in playoff/Super Bowls is very good... He was well equipped to avoid that type of rush

Montana was clearly a lot more mobile than Brady, there shouldn't be a lot of debate about that.There are clearly better regular season QB's than Montana, especially statistically, but his greatness was derived from what he did in the playoffs. Brady throwing 50 TDs and then having a medicore postseason doesn't do anything to chip away at the heart of Montana's legacy.

CLEARLY better regular season QB's than Montana? I seem to remember him being incredibly great and successful during the regular season.. He led a team to a 1 loss season too--- but, oh yeah, did win the Super Bowl with an incredible performance.... His regular season QB rating was the highest ever at the time. Now if your talking the 40-50 td season's QB's are putting up now, I guess statistically he didn't match up there, but then you get into the whole "different" game today arguement. In his day, Montana's statistics and efficiency+ his winning instinct were on par with anyone. I agree his post season success is what makes him the "Greatest ever" but even if Montana had only won 1 or two Super Bowls, just based on his play in the regular season, he would still have legend status.

 

[dgreen]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

 

[redman]

Brady the best QB ever? How many game-winning TD drives has he led? Two? Three?He sure looks good when he doesn't get touched, and the breaks are going their way, that's for sure. But he's gonna need a few more heroic come-from-behind wins to be in that discussion. JMO.

I've been saying for a few weeks now that Brady deals with pressure worse than a lot of pocket passing QB's who are deemed inferior to him. When he's been hit, his accuracy starts to go quickly, even on subsequent plays where there isn't any contact.

 

[redman]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

Maybe, but that Raiders loss still stings for us 'Skins fans, and that 1983 team had a lot in common with this 2007 Pats team.

 

[SR388]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

 

[Godsbrother]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

I have the "History of the Steelers" DVD and there is an interview with Bradshaw where they ask what him what his greatest accomplishment was. He answered that he felt proudest that he never lost a Super Bowl game. Based on this I would be willing to bet that if you asked Bradshaw or any other great QB is they would rather be 4-1 or 4-0 in the Super Bowl they would all choose 4-0.

 

[Liquid Tension]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

 

[Liquid Tension]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

I have the "History of the Steelers" DVD and there is an interview with Bradshaw where they ask what him what his greatest accomplishment was. He answered that he felt proudest that he never lost a Super Bowl game. Based on this I would be willing to bet that if you asked Bradshaw or any other great QB is they would rather be 4-1 or 4-0 in the Super Bowl they would all choose 4-0.

So you would rather have a year where you lose on teh 1st round rather than lose in the Superbowl? No way.

 

[dgreen]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

I have the "History of the Steelers" DVD and there is an interview with Bradshaw where they ask what him what his greatest accomplishment was. He answered that he felt proudest that he never lost a Super Bowl game. Based on this I would be willing to bet that if you asked Bradshaw or any other great QB is they would rather be 4-1 or 4-0 in the Super Bowl they would all choose 4-0.

Well, at some point that extra SB isn't going to mean all that much. I think we can all agree we'd rather be 20-0 than 20-1 in SBs. I think we can also all agree that we'd rather be 0-1 than 0-0. Somewhere in between there's a line. For me, I'd rather be 3-1 than 3-0.Too much emphasis is put on the actual SB itself. There is so much that goes into it. The SB isn't just one game. It's the culmination of at least a full year, sometimes a couple years. Losing the game changes how you go down in history, but the journey there a big part of what makes you great. The Buffalo Bills really deserve more credit.

 

[Godsbrother]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

I have the "History of the Steelers" DVD and there is an interview with Bradshaw where they ask what him what his greatest accomplishment was. He answered that he felt proudest that he never lost a Super Bowl game. Based on this I would be willing to bet that if you asked Bradshaw or any other great QB is they would rather be 4-1 or 4-0 in the Super Bowl they would all choose 4-0.

So you would rather have a year where you lose on teh 1st round rather than lose in the Superbowl? No way.

While losing out in first round sucks, the disappointment of losing the Super Bowl is much greater, especially to a player that has already been to the Super Bowl.

 

[dgreen]

True. I do think this puts Montana comfortably back in the "Best QB Ever" driver's seat. But let's not pretend Bradshaw was in the conversation regardless of how tonight's game turned out.

I agree, but part of Tom Brady's selling point as the greatest ever was his record in the SB, which is now worse than Aikman's.

I'd rather be 3-1 in the SB than 3-0.

I have the "History of the Steelers" DVD and there is an interview with Bradshaw where they ask what him what his greatest accomplishment was. He answered that he felt proudest that he never lost a Super Bowl game. Based on this I would be willing to bet that if you asked Bradshaw or any other great QB is they would rather be 4-1 or 4-0 in the Super Bowl they would all choose 4-0.

So you would rather have a year where you lose on teh 1st round rather than lose in the Superbowl? No way.

While losing out in first round sucks, the disappointment of losing the Super Bowl is much greater, especially to a player that has already been to the Super Bowl.

Hurting more is simply a great way to show that it's a better situation.